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Re: What are we?

PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2018 3:05 pm
by sum
When all the available information regarding the words and deeds of Muhammad have been examined by psychiatrists and psychologists they have concluded that Muhammad suffered from narcissism - more like malignant narcissism with lack of empathy. When one looks at his childhood upbringing it fits in nicely with the development of his malignant narcissism.

What about the upbringing of muslims? Ex-muslims will tell how there was always an element of significant fear involved in muslim children especially the dread of going to hell with all the possible dreadful punishments involved. Going to the mosque was often an ordeal for children when they could not always remember the verses in the Koran. We read that the Imam was not averse to beating the child or even worse. Parents sometime use the threat of after death punishment to gain control of their children which reinforces other sources of this fear. This chronic fear is a form of child abuse which has been mentioned earlier and leads to emotional problems in some children which continue into adulthood. When one considers that children between the ages of 6yrs and 12yrs are obliged to attend the mosque six nights in the week it is not surprising that coercion of belief is inevitable. This mosque attendance was revealed by sundry Islamic clerics on UK TV after 9/11. They looked as though they did not want to be there.

Indoctrination.

This falls into the category of environmental influence on what we are.

http://everything-voluntary.com/indoctr ... nd-control

Indoctrination, in the Webster II New College Dictionary is defined as “to teach to accept a system of thought uncritically”. Mind Control is a more intensive form of the same thing, requiring some form of physical or mental torture. Indoctrination and mind control can be used to instill a system of ideas before an individual has been subjected to any belief system or it can be used to change the system of beliefs already accepted by an individual.

The metaphysical result that makes indoctrination and/or mind control what it is, is the fact that the victim does not realize that he has been subjected to an irrational mental force, causing the subject to accept that which is being taught, without understanding the validity of it. The first thing that disappears during indoctrination is truth, while the next thing that goes are lessons in critical thinking—logic. Thus it is uncritically accepted. The force of indoctrination is so powerful that the subject will intellectually and/or physically defend what he thinks is the truth of the indoctrinated ideas—to the death. The subject cannot even entertain the thought of changing his indoctrinated ideology even in the presence of valid arguments to the contrary.

Indoctrination is strongest in the religious and political realms. Try using reason to persuade almost anyone to at least think about the fact that what they were taught is incorrect and resistance will be met with smirks, laughter and disbelief. In fact, this article will most likely engender those reactions. Instead of entertaining the possibility that there may be some truth to this thesis, the indoctrinated will swat it away with the flick of the wrist and nothing more need be said about it.
Arguments criticizing religious beliefs are futile and so I’ll not delve any further into the resistance by the religious. Just understand that religious faith is the acceptance of something without proof or in spite of evidence to the contrary.


Sadly, muslims have been moulded into a different type of human being who are programmed into establishing Islamic control over the whole planet and supporting the death or subjugation of non-muslims with second class status as dhimmis.

We can all see and witness the effect of indoctrination on muslims. They will never concede any point even when logic and reason point out incontrovertable evidence that disproves aspects of their belief. This is why I consider governmental discussions with muslims to be fruitless and a waste of time and money.

sum

Re: What are we?

PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2018 1:11 pm
by sum
I think that the presumed "diagnosis" of Muhammad`s malignant narcissism can be supported by his upbringing which involved a lack of a constant loving carer with probable lack of love and affection in the very early years. Studies on upbringing point out this aspect of child upbringing and its possible outcome.

The muslim beliefs, and volatile attitudes to what might seem trivial to non-muslims, can be explained by their upbringing which seems to include more than average fear( of what hell is like for those who do not obey Allah) and child abuse - emotional, physical and sexual. Their actual belief is that which is indoctrinated into them from birth onwards. The previous extracts from papers on indoctrination show that once a belief is installed then it is exceedingly difficult to change their belief despite giving facts and logic to show parts of Islam untrue and false. One has only to witness the defence that the muslims in the forum make for obvious falsehoods in the Koran. I have never known any muslim accept that there are any falsehoods or errors in the Koran - iffo excepted.

With regard to all of the quotes from papers it would appear that "What we are" is a combination of factors. If we start off as a normal healthy baby our future will be determined largely by upbringing. A good upbringing should consist of love, affection and care in the early years and if any of these is deficient then there may well be both physical and emotional consequences to a varying degree later. Add to this, indoctrination of varying belief systems which are installed and which guide the child throughout his life.

This child could then be a follower of Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism or Islam etc - all depending on upbringing. It has to be pointed out that Islam is the only belief system that rejects the Golden Rule and I claim that this is against basic human nature. Ali Sina once said that an Islamic upbringing removes empathy from people and this would go some way to explain how muslims can perform the most brutal deeds against non-muslims.

The brain as I have said before, is just like a computer. The structure of the brain is the hardware and the upbringing installs the software. In the paragraph above, that same child could be a believer in any of the faiths mentioned simply because of the indoctrination. If the child became a Christian he would be taught to love people and abide by the Golden Rule but if he had the misfortune to become a muslim he would be taught to hate non-muslims and not abide by the Golden Rule.

We are, in effect, what ideology gets to our brains first in order to indoctrinate the mind. Islam has this off to a fine art.

The way that world politics are going, the future of mankind will depend on childhood upbringing.

sum

Re: What are we?

PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2018 2:33 pm
by sum
I am surprised that the muslims have not responded. Perhaps it has hit home and set them thinking, although I doubt it as free thought is not permitted in Islam.

Where is farishta?

sum

Re: What are we?

PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 10:32 am
by sum
Any muslim disagree with what I have presented about Muhammad, muslims and what we are?

sum

Re: What are we?

PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 3:33 am
by Nosuperstition
sum wrote:I am surprised that the muslims have not responded. Perhaps it has hit home and set them thinking, although I doubt it as free thought is not permitted in Islam.

Where is farishta?

sum


They are all feigning willful ignorance.You think that the muslim intellectuals are intellectually bankrupt?

Re: What are we?

PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 6:32 pm
by sum
Hello Nosuperstition

Your quote -
You think that the muslim intellectuals are intellectually bankrupt?

An interesting question. I do not think that muslims can be truly and fully intellectual as long as they are brainwashed and have no freedom of thought. They are mentally crippled.

sum