war rape

[Nosuperstition]

10 When thou comest nigh unto a city to fight against it, then proclaim peace unto it.

11 And it shall be, if it make thee answer of peace, and open unto thee, then it shall be, that all the people that is found therein shall be tributaries unto thee, and they shall serve thee.

12And if it will make no peace with thee, but will make war against thee, then thou shalt besiege it:

13 And when the LORD thy God hath delivered it into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword:

14 But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself; and thou shalt eat the spoil of thine enemies, which the LORD thy God hath given thee.

15 Thus shalt thou do unto all the cities which are very far off from thee, which are not of the cities of these nations.

http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/book.php?book=Deuteronomy&chapter=20&verse=12&t=1

Much like muslims killing off all males and taking women and children captive.

10 When you go to war against your enemies and the Lord your God delivers them into your hands and you take captives, 11 if you notice among the captives a beautiful woman and are attracted to her, you may take her as your wife. 12 Bring her into your home and have her shave her head, trim her nails 13 and put aside the clothes she was wearing when captured. After she has lived in your house and mourned her father and mother for a full month, then you may go to her and be her husband and she shall be your wife. 14 If you are not pleased with her, let her go wherever she wishes. You must not sell her or treat her as a slave, since you have dishonored her

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy+21:10-14

I understand that if the pagan woman tries to lure any of the chosen people to idolatry then only shall all their non-virgin women will die.Else they will remain slaves or forced wives / raped wives.

Now from the link below and others,the form of marriage described above comes under Rakshasa form of marriage or demonic form of marriage and it is the worst form of marriage according to the secular book of Kama Sutra which also says that the Gandharva form which is marriage with mutual consent (even without the consent of parents) is the best form.Strange religions that are supposed to teach morality lag far behind the secular text regarding the concept of morality.

Kama Sutra’ has recognised this form of marriage(Gandharva) as an ideal type

http://www.yourarticlelibrary.com/hindu/traditional-forms-of-hindu-marriage-in-india/4377/

P.V. Kane thinks that this marriage is called paishacha because in it there is action like that of pisachas (goblins) that are supposed to act stealthily at night Vatsyayan’s ‘Kamasutra’ places the paisacha form of marriage as the seventh, before the Rakshasa and thus considers it better than the Rakshasa form of marriage

http://www.yourarticlelibrary.com/marriage/8-traditional-forms-of-hindu-marriage-in-india/47455/

Or now may be people will say that Kama Sutra with its description of the science of eroticity cannot be moral in that the more the people get to know about erotic postures,greater will be the abortion murders.But then higher the population due to abolition of abortion,still the number of murders will be great as more people are likely to die in wars that will be fought over resources.Of course on a personal level,I think all abortions other than those that are likely to kill the mother need to be abolished.

[SAM]

Srebrenica: The Rape Victims’ Testimonies

Some of the women who were raped by Bosnian Serb soldiers at the time of the Srebrenica massacres in July 1995 have found the courage to conquer their fears and speak out.

Srebrenica Genocide.

Three years before the 1995 Srebrenica Genocide, Serbs torched Bosniak villages and killed at least 3,166 Bosniaks around Srebrenica. In 1993, the UN described the besieged situation in Srebrenica as a "slow-motion process of genocide." In July 1995, Serbs forcibly expelled 25,000 Bosniaks, brutally raped many women and girls, and systematically killed 8,000+ men and boys (DNA confirmed).

Christianity is a religion of love with rape and murder..

[sum]

Hello SAM

Read a bit more "truth" -

http://www.barenakedislam.com/2015/07/1 ... caliphate/

sum

[Hombre]

Now I constantly hear skynightblaze,darth and others chastise Muslims for saying that it is impossible for the Jewish woman Juwaiarah or someone to marry Mohammed the same day/a few days afte he killed her family/her husband.No pious woman would do that and therefore what happened between the prophet and Juwaraiah is rape so goes the argument according to many members of this forum.The prophet is thus made out to be a rapist.

But then when arrogant Kshatriyas misrule the lands of their possession,Parashurama,an incarnation of lord Vishnu supposedly slaughtered them and got their wives pregnant with Brahmin men and thus fathered through them supposedly cultured generations of kings according to Hindu folklore.Now how could these queens bed with their tormentors who killed their husbands is a question that begs answer.Now is that also not rape?.

Are you going to stop that rubbish excuses of deflecting simple questions on Muhammad's barbaric behaviour with "BUT THEN WHEN others did it too" crap?.

Murdering someone's husband, and few hours later have sex with his wife is considered savage, barbaric act - for any societies.

The question is simple and straight forward - directed at Muhammad. So answer it, "yes" or "no". discuss Muhammad's act, not others.

[manfred]

Christianity is a religion of love with rape and murder..

Do you have no respect for the dead that you shamelessly use them for making mute points to suit you? I know you have no respect for truth, but this is getting really quite disgusting.

What happened in Srebrenica was a shocking war crime, which has been condemned in the courts in The Hague and by pretty much all politicians of any persuasion.

Ratko Mladić is the man responsible for the events there. Incidentally in terms of religion he is an atheist, a former communist. Also his own daughter, learning about what his father did, killed herself out of shame.

Muslims around the world last Ramadan held commemorations of Srebrenica. No such commemoration was ever held for the victims of Muslims violence.

In short, what happened in Srebrenica has nothing at all to do with Christian teachings, but with the behaviour of people, som of which may be Christians, but all should have known better. Certainly NONE of the perpetrators ever excused the events by pointing at the bible or something. In fact also the Orthodox Chruch leadership issued strong condemnations.

So, where are the commemorations for the victims of Muslim violence?

[SAM]

Christianity is a religion of love with rape and murder..

Do you have no respect for the dead that you shamelessly use them for making mute points to suit you? I know you have no respect for truth, but this is getting really quite disgusting.

What happened in Srebrenica was a shocking war crime, which has been condemned in the courts in The Hague and by pretty much all politicians of any persuasion.

Ratko Mladić is the man responsible for the events there. Incidentally in terms of religion he is an atheist, a former communist. Also his own daughter, learning about what his father did, killed herself out of shame.

Muslims around the world last Ramadan held commemorations of Srebrenica. No such commemoration was ever held for the victims of Muslims violence.

In short, what happened in Srebrenica has nothing at all to do with Christian teachings, but with the behaviour of people, som of which may be Christians, but all should have known better. Certainly NONE of the perpetrators ever excused the events by pointing at the bible or something. In fact also the Orthodox Chruch leadership issued strong condemnations.

So, where are the commemorations for the victims of Muslim violence?

One of the most brutal acts of Christian terrorism is often overlooked. That is the Bosnian Genocide, which refers to the attempted annihilation of Muslims by Christian Serbs in former Yugoslavia from about 1992-1995.

On July 1995, Bosnian Serbs killed more than 8,000 Muslim men and boys, as well as the ethnic cleansing of another 25,000–30,000 refugees, in and around the town of Srebrenica in Bosnia and Herzegovina in what is now referred to as the Srebrenica massacre.

Christian Terrorism: BY BEN HOFFMAN

Who cares..as long they are Christians. Christianity, there is no teaching in the moral and ethical tradition of humanity.

[manfred]

Christianity, there is no teaching in the moral and ethical tradition of humanity.

Every religion, except for Islam, has this simple tenet: Treat others as you want to be treated. Every decent non-religious person also sees the sense in this.

People do things at time directly opposed to their religious beliefs.

And nobody has forgotten about what happened there. In fact court have been investigating it.

What we don't do is to abuse crime to generate hatred.

[Nosuperstition]

Now I constantly hear skynightblaze,darth and others chastise Muslims for saying that it is impossible for the Jewish woman Juwaiarah or someone to marry Mohammed the same day/a few days afte he killed her family/her husband.No pious woman would do that and therefore what happened between the prophet and Juwaraiah is rape so goes the argument according to many members of this forum.The prophet is thus made out to be a rapist.

But then when arrogant Kshatriyas misrule the lands of their possession,Parashurama,an incarnation of lord Vishnu supposedly slaughtered them and got their wives pregnant with Brahmin men and thus fathered through them supposedly cultured generations of kings according to Hindu folklore.Now how could these queens bed with their tormentors who killed their husbands is a question that begs answer.Now is that also not rape?.

Are you going to stop that rubbish excuses of deflecting simple questions on Muhammad's barbaric behaviour with "BUT THEN WHEN others did it too" crap?.

Murdering someone's husband, and few hours later have sex with his wife is considered savage, barbaric act - for any societies.

The question is simple and straight forward - directed at Muhammad. So answer it, "yes" or "no". discuss Muhammad's act, not others.

Having been exposed to the sight of the massed suicides at Saipan - seeing mothers jumping off cliffs with their infant children and such (A thing the Americans could NEVER have anticipated, as such a thing was an utterly alien concept for them culturally),

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6143&p=102306&hilit=honour#p102306

Now that reminds one of the Masada suicides carried out by Jews when faced with the prospect of utter defeat at the hands of the Romans.But then as had been mentioned above concepts such as these might be alien to different people of different cultures in different times.So in the pagan Arabia if it was an accepted norm to bed with the wives of the defeated rivals a few hours after killing their husbands,then the Jewish Juwairah too might not have objected much to the Prophet having sex with her the same night he killed her husband.

[Nosuperstition]

hundreds of thousands of low caste / any caste Hindu women who when granted free-will simply went away with muslims to ME slave markets without uttering a word or commiting Sati/Jauhar because their alcohol addicted husbands mistreated them and they did not feel that inclined towards their husbands.It is also written in the Manusmriti that rinaanubandha roopena pasu patni sutaalaya or the bonds of spouses,pets/animals/offspring go only so far as karma bondage allows them.

http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=1174&p=30560&hilit=Soma#p30560

I also vaguely remember having read somewhere that the first husband of Juwairiyah ,the Jewish woman whose second husband is the prophet Mohammed somehow used to mistreat her when she was his wife.So no wonder instead of committing Masada style suicide,she married another man though he was some 30 years older than her.Now since the Jewish ipso moto who is the God (for both muslims and Christians as well according to Ohmyrus) who drinks wine,it begs the question as to whether the Jewish person who is the first husband of Juwairiyah a drunkard or not?

[manfred]

are you derailing your own topics even?

[Hombre]

are you derailing your own topics even?

Yep. What he really conveying here. Gee, I don't have a palatable answer.

[Nosuperstition]

are you derailing your own topics even?

No I am very much on the topic.Juwairah's supposed war rape by Mohammed is more often discussed in this forum.So I am curious to know whether it is actually a rape or a consented marriage going by the way her 1st husband treated her when he was alive.

[Nosuperstition]

are you derailing your own topics even?

Yep. What he really conveying here. Gee, I don't have a palatable answer.

Just give the answer.You always need not give the palatable ones.

[manfred]

are you derailing your own topics even?

No I am very much on the topic.Juwairah's supposed war rape by Mohammed is more often discussed in this forum.So I am curious to know whether it is actually a rape or a consented marriage going by the way her 1st husband treated her when he was alive.

There is nothing "supposed" at all about that. he raped many women, and allowed his followers to rape too.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/muham ... u-rape.htm

[sum]

Hello SAM

Read the following -

JUL102015
The disaster that Bill Clinton created in Bosnia by backing Muslims against the Serbs has now become next front for the Islamic State (ISIS) Caliphate
Two decades later Bosnia is still suffering the consequences. ISIS has declared the Balkans the next front for the Islamic Caliphate, and in remote mountain villages, Muslims are already flying the ISIS flag.
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Russia Insider (h/t Maksim) The Balkans is the latest arena where the West is trying to circumcise any attempt of Russia to regainits influence. This anti-Serbian resolution and initiative is the part of the broader strategy and the latest Western attempt to demonize Serbs and delegitimize pro-Russian Republic of Srpska (Serbian part of Bosnia) in an effort to forcefully centralize Bosnia and give the driving seat to Bosnian Muslims.
So, the West is working to portray the Bosnian Serb republic in Bosnia as a “genocidal entity/creation”, further weakening the already weak Serbian position in the Balkans and by proxy strengthening the Albanian regime in Kosovo and pushing Montenegro towards NATO membership.
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Going back to the Srebrenica case, this is a Srebrenica fact sheet one can rarely see in biased western MSM reports: It has been recorded that more that 3,200 Serbian women, children, elderly, men and prisoners of war were massacred in Serbian villages around Srebrenica between 1992 and 1995 by soldiers on the Bosnian Muslim side based in Srebrenica. Muslim forces under Naser Oric “engaged in attacks during Orthodox (Christian) holidays and destroyed villages, massacring all the inhabitants. This created a degree of hatred that was quite extraordinary in the region.”
This was the first of many Srebrenica massacres by Muslims that are ignored by the West up to this day.
Before the Srebrenica Massacre: Genocide Jihad In the Balkans!


The number of 8,000 Muslim victims in Srebrenica is inflated. Most of “7,000 Muslim men and boys” allegedly murdered were soldiers of the localy-formed 28th division of the Army of Bosnia and Herzegovina under Naser Oric. They died both as soldiers and as war prisoners, they were killed in combat and others as revenge for Bosnian Serb victims. In all 5,500 Muslim soldiers fought under Naser Oric.
Most of them were killed when after the fall of the Muslim-controlled Srebrenica enclave they refused to surrender, but instead performed a desperate fighting withdrawal over Serbian controlled territories. Along the way they were shelled and ambushed by Serb foces in what was uneven combat but was not a massacre of civilians.
Edward S. Herman, a Professor Emeritus at the University of Pennsylvania and the author of “The Srebrenica Massacre: Evidence, Context and Politics” characterized “Srebrenica genocide” as a gigantic political fraud and a myth built by West. Thanks to anti-Serbian propaganda one can only hear stories about genocide, the “biggest massacre after Holocaust”, “8,000 innocent muslim men and boys” etc. Fortunately, many western citizens no longer take Western mainstream media propaganda for granted as they did in 90’s and they are new alternative media which are breaking the monopoly of the western mainstream media.
Former chief NSA analyst: “Most of the Muslims killed in Srebrenica were soldiers who refused to surrender.”


Unlike the Bosnian Muslim forces, the Bosnian Serb forces didn’t kill any of Srebrenica women, children and older people but instead bused them out to the main territory controlled by the Bosnian Muslim forces. During the debate in the UN Security council neo-con and US ambassador to the UN Samantha Power whined: ‘What’s next? Holocaust denial?’ In this way, Mrs. Power insulted the victims of Holocaust comparing a hoax civilian massacre in Srebrenica with the Nazi genocide against Jews and Slavs in WW2.


The crimes committed by Bosnian Muslim forces were “extraordinary” and made the Serbs’ desire for revenge to be“inevitable.”
The media neglect of the massacres against Orthodox Christians in and around Srebrenica – and such leniency taken against Bosnian Muslim individuals who committed such crimes – not only leaves a sour taste – it is a falsification of history and covers up many untold stories which helps to dehumanize the Serbians. It also negates to share responsibility where it belongs – this applies to all parties who committed massacres. This also includes the United States and CIA which conveniently “overlooked” 8,000 of the most brutal and fanatical Islamists to enter Bosnia on false passports in order to slit the throats of Orthodox Christians.
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The Bosnian Serbs might have had the heaviest weapons, but the Bosnian Muslims matched them in infantry skills that were much in demand in the rugged terrain around Srebrenica. As the snow cleared in the spring of 1995, it became obvious to Nasar Oric, the man who led the Bosnian Muslim fighters that the Bosnian Serb army was going to attack Srebrenica to stop him from attacking Serb villages. So he and a large number of his fighters slipped out of town. Srebrenica was left undefended with the strategic thought that, if the Serbs attacked an undefended town, surely that would cause NATO and the UN to agree that NATO air strikes against the Serbs were justified. And so the Bosnian Serb army strolled into Srebrenica without opposition.”
The brutal civil wars throughout the former Yugoslavia led to the ethnic cleansing of Serbians in Krajina. However, not only was nothing done about this, the Croatian forces who did this had been backed by America and other nations during the conflict.
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Also, the ghosts of past Muslim SS Units who supported Nazi Germany alongside Croatian fascists, was still etched into the memory because the events of World War Two were never reconciled under communist rule after the war. Therefore, with this, and the Ottoman Muslim past of enslaving young Orthodox Christian boys and then converting them to Islam – then the fear was not based on myths or on distant memories.
By glossing over the massacres of 3,500 Orthodox Christians in and around Srebrenica; the role of the United States in turning a blind eye to 8,000 international Islamists (some members who did September 11 had learnt much in Bosnia); the actions of the Bosnian Muslim leader, Alija Izetbegovic, in abandoning the Muslim enclave; and other important factors. It entails that Srebrenica is being manipulated for all the wrong reasons and that the dehumanization of the Serbians is a convenient way for Western powers to gloss over the reality on the ground. It also suits the Bosnian Muslim leadership which abandoned the enclave despite fighting against fellow Muslims in the west.

Bosnian Muslim military forces from Srebrenica killed Bosnian Serbs mutilated their bodies, then roasted the corpses

It also should be remembered that Bosnian Muslim forces had slaughtered thousands of Christians first in the surrounding region of Srebrenica and that the “safe haven” was abused. Military generals from the international community who were in Bosnia state this clearly, and Morillon testified in court.”
The over simplification of major media outlets shames the mass media in general because the same cover up and lack of basic facts, are still being told by major international media agencies. Indeed, the coverage and headlines in some media outlets is bordering on anti-Serbian racism. Also, to gloss over the events of what happened prior to the Bosnian Serbs entering Srebrenica is not merely shoddy journalism, it is open manipulation and propaganda.
Even the biased BBC is posing serious questions about the price the west is paying for turning the blind eye on jihadists in Bosnia:
The Al-Qaeda-linked ‘El-Mujahedeen’ brigade of the Bosnian Muslim Army parading in downtown Zenica in central Bosnia in 1995, carrying the black flag of Islamic jihad
The Al-Qaeda-linked ‘El-Mujahedeen’ brigade of the Bosnian Muslim Army parading in downtown Zenica in central Bosnia in 1995, carrying the black flag of Islamic jihad
This means that the open manipulation of events suits both the Bosnian Muslim government and Western powers which played “a dirty game” during a brutal civil war.

Bosnia: Cradle of modern jihadism
“20 years ago in the civil war in Bosnia, hundreds of Arab jihadists came to join Bosnian Muslims fighting against their neighbours the Serbs and Croats. Grouped into secret fighting units in Central Bosnia, this was the first time in centuries Jihad had been fought against a Western, Christian enemy. Two decades later Bosnia is still reaping the consequences. In the past month ISIS declared the Balkans the next front of Jihad – and in remote mountain villages extremists are flying the ISIS flag.”

Most war and international law experts reject politically motivated verdicts of the US controlled International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia (ICTY) in the Hague. Most of them also reject classification of Srebrenica as genocide. In addition, only one Muslim or Croatian general, leader or politician was convicted for war crimes against Serbs in Bosnia and Croatia (more than 30,000 Serbian civilians were killed during the civil war in Croatia and Bosnia), but he received only a light sentence of 3 years.
Influential Srebrenica police chief Hakija Meholjic is on record that the muslim leader Alija Izetbegovic told him: “Clinton has made the proposal, if Serbs enter Srebrenica and slaughter 5,000 muslims, there will be military intervention by NATO forces on Serb positions”. Thereafter, the U.S. used the Srebrenica hoax and staged Sarajevo’s Markale market bombing by Bosnian Muslim forces as a pretext to initiate military campaign against Bosnian Serb forces and bomb their positions across Bosnian front.

sum

[Nosuperstition]

The disaster that Bill Clinton created in Bosnia by backing Muslims against the Serbs has now become next front for the Islamic State (ISIS) Caliphate

Yet it is not India's fault that the U.S. had to get in bed with Pakistan to combat the Russians.

Yet it is still America's fault that India loved the Communist bastards

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1819&p=27548&hilit=India+Russia#p27548

Actually Serbia/remnant Yugoslavia was attacked as they were in bed with the Russians.One look at how our Humanist hates the Commies can help us understand the feelings of the U.S warmongering elite.

Between 1999 and 2004 just before the Gulf War,when I saw the U.S warships move close to Kalpakkam nuclear reactor in India, my head was blown off.Perhaps that was a reaction to India opposing the 2nd Iraqi War intended to topple Saddam or may be it had some other objectives.What to do?All the U.S and U.K had been doing since ages was making banana nations out of the colonies of the colored people or making them their colonies.No wonder India allied with the Communists.

Not that they did not understand that there were people of mettle even amongst the colored ones.The British have written that the people in sub-continent are of such high worth that some devious strategy has to be designed to keep them low.So even as they understood that there can exist meritorious people in the colored races,they did not discard their white supremacist doctrines and continued to propagate them in their native countries.As the U.S.S.R is thought not to make that much of a banana republic with its allies,India aligned with it.

And until the U.S.S.R fell they did train Indian scientists in many fields though actual technical know-how was not provided.India even had a Soviet nuclear sub-marine called Chakra which eventually though was taken away after the fall of Soviet Union as it refused to sign the NPT and CTBT(possibly at the instigation of the U.S.A which held a huge influence in Russia back then).

[Nosuperstition]

Just like Yellamma(literally perhaps meaning goddess near the village outskirts),there also exists another goddesses called Poleramma.Polimera in Telugu means outskirts and perhaps Poleramma refers to the goddess of the outskirts.As in case of Yellamma,she also is in general not worshipped by the people of high class in India and is mostly worshipped by low class people.Perhaps that is what Dr.B.R.Ambedkar was alluding to when he said that the broken people of different tribes were chased away to the outskirts of different settlements after the Mauryan conquest of most of the Indian subcontinent.

So this makes those low class people more local to the land of the subcontinent.Now since our vice president Sree Venkaiah Naidu said the other day in Hyderabad that respecting the sentiments of locals is the paramount consideration in the creation of a separate state of Telangana,in the same vein,I think both his party as well as the Congress will have no objections whatsoever in extending reservations in the same measure to even those that convert out of Indic religions as that is their wish which they routinely express through the newspapers.

[Nosuperstition]

Someone seemed to have whispered to my father the news that most people in Telangana are actually offspring of North Indians.It is true that Marwaris and Rajputs were invited to Telangana by the Nizam of Hyd and it is also true that people in Telangana name themselves as Narender,Rajendar,Mahendar,Narsing etc in tune with what North Indians do and as opposed to what people of other regions do in naming themselves as Narendra,Rajendra,Mahendra,Narasimaha/Narsimhlu/Narsimlu.However there are also many in Telangana who name themselves more in line with those of other Telugu regions.That shows that they are linguistically,historically and genetically more so connected to people of other Telugu regions than to North Indians.Even if it is assumed that people of Telangana are indeed offspring of North Indians,since respecting sentiments of the locals is of paramount importance to both the Congress and B.J.P parties,North Indians should not vie for jobs in Telangana which more so belong to the lower class of the people of the Telangana region who are the purest breed of locals.Case closed.

[Nosuperstition]

http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=17820&p=235120#p235120

Yes Brahmins by means of war rape and marital and extra marital liasons mentioned in the so called Hindu holy books could have fathered many in the subcontinent.However that does not give the Brahmin think tanks of the B.J.P and the Congress the permission to arbitrarily put an end to emigration of people of other Telugu regions to Hyderabad in Telangana and at the same time faciliate more modern day Brahmin influx from North India,as the infrastructure developed there is due to funds received via taxation from all of the Telugu regions.

And if people from other Telugu regions who have intermarried a lot of those of Telangana over centuries due to geographical vicinity and linguistic affinity are themselves forbidden from seeking jobs in Hyd,I doubt how the little blood admixture of North Indian Marwaris and Rajputs with the people of Telangana qualifies /justifies them for seeking jobs in Hyderabad.

[Nosuperstition]

Already North Indians make quite profitable business in South India in terms of retail business,wholesale business,shopping malls,collecting commission from toothpaste to electronic gadgets etc.Still greedy Brahmin think tanks of Delhi and Nagpur do all they can in order to weaken the Southern states by means of divide and rule and want a further greater influx of Northerners while sidelining the Southerners.