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A Vedic Critique of Marxism

PostPosted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 6:52 am
by Intelligent lad
http://dharmacivilization.com/2013/01/a ... f-marxism/

Comparison of Marxism with Sanatana Dharma
(Please compare both lists side by side)

MARXISM:

Materialism.

Biological Determinism.

External environment creates human essence.

Nurture trumps Nature.

Atheism.

Radical egalitarianism.

Globalization.

Class, gender, race and social conflict.

Multiculturalism.

Ethnic disintegration.

Eradication of gender differences.

Destruction of Tradition.

Culture reflects the lowest common denominator.

“Socialist realist” art.

Destruction of the family structure.

Exploitation of Nature, and degradation of the environment.

Relativist ethics (the ends justify the means).

Lack of civil freedoms.

Personhood subsumed in the amorphous masses.

Democratic centralism.

Omnisexuality.

Abortion on demand.

All means of production controlled by the state.

DHARMA (NATURAL LAW):

Spirituality.

Vitalism.

Human beings create their external environment, which in turn can have an effect
upon the natural development of the person.

Will trumps both Nature and Nurture.

Theism.

Qualitative Hierarchy.

Tribalism/Nationalism.

Class, gender, and social harmony and cooperation.

Ethnic Plurality.

Ethnic integrity.

Celebration of gender distinctions.

Celebrating Tradition.

Culture reflects the highest ideals.

Aesthetics inspired by ideal forms, transcendent insight, eternal archetypes,
and inspiration from Nature.

Upholding the traditional family.

Preservation and reverence for Nature.

Firm non-relativist ethics.

Human values based upon transcendent truth.

Inherent freedom of the human person.

Human personality never subsumed in the amorphous masses.

Leadership principle.

Heterosexuality.

Respect for innocent life.

http://dharmacivilization.com/2013/01/a ... f-marxism/

Re: A Vedic Critique of Marxism

PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2015 4:58 pm
by Nosuperstition
Intelligent lad wrote:Marxism

Abortion on demand.

Vedas/Dharmic faiths

Respect for innocent life


Yes in Hinduism you do indeed have a saying bala vaakku brahma vaakku i.e the utterings of a child in whom innocence is predominant are the sayings of Brahma himself.But then there are other cases to consider.For example during the British rule,the missionaries made a point to point out that Hindus in Benaras or Kashi or Varanasi resorted to population control by throwing off (while the mothers sobbed) their new borns to either the sharks in the river or drowning them.

Missionaries also point out that Buddhist monks in China at times approved infanticide as a way of stabilising the society that frequently experienced famines due to overpopulation.Too bad they should have followed either Ram of extrapolated Ramayana or Muhammad or the Christian colonists who made a living out of making other people slaves/extracting tributes from them(afterall Mother Theresa did indeed say that when a mother herself aborts a child there is no hope for security of a human being and all of humanity is lost).So a mother cannot kill her baby but he can die in wars fought over to extract tributes from other nations/wars made to make new colonies for their band of believers.

But then this strange phenomenon of population control by drowning your offspring in water has a parallel in the story of river goddess Ganga drowning off her offspring due to union with king Shantanu.When angry Shantanu stops her when she is about to drown Bhishma,she says that she is simply sending off the cursed celestial beings born to her called Pasupus back to their world by relieving them from this world.Much similiar to Buddhist monks telling their guillible that the infants upon whom infanticide was done would get a better birth the next time.

Of course , Brahmins might tell you that mere mortal women are not equal to goddess Ganga in that they can decipher/divine the secrets of previous and next births.But then those in situations of dire distress as had been witnessed when subsistence was denied by the rulers by siphoning off excess wealth and grain might feel otherwise.Sayings such as 'naaru posinavaadu neeru postaadu'.(He a.k.a,the divine male god who planted the seedling will water it) might not have sufficed to deter them when they see no water being poured to nourish their offspring.Some of them might have converted out to Christianity in colonial era in South India which is not perenially watered for which our Brahmin think-tanks want to have revenge right now on the converted and Christian educated elite of Andhra Pradesh.

Re: A Vedic Critique of Marxism

PostPosted: Sat May 02, 2015 3:00 pm
by Nosuperstition
Marxism creates Omnisexuality.



Hinduism creates Heterosexuality.



Hinduism, as a faith, is vague, amorphous, many-sided, all things to all men. It is hardly possible to define it, or indeed to say definitely whether it is a religion or not, in the usual sense of the word. In its present form, and even in the past, it embraces many beliefs and practices, from the highest to the lowest, often opposed to or contradicting each other.


https://iodinity.wordpress.com/2014/09/13/what-is-hinduism-by-jawaharlal-nehru/

Well not say that Hindu law books punished sexual orientations outside heterosexuality/atleast considered them sinful.For example Manusmriti says that if a man lays with another man,then both must ritually cleanse themselves with a complete bath.However a woman laying down with another woman was much more severely punished in that two fingers are to be broken for both as a punishment for the offence.This punishment is less severe than the one imposed in the Bible whereby death is dealt to those indulging in sex outside of man-woman relationships.

However there are stories and narratives that seemed to support sex outside of hetero-sex that I know.Since Hinduism is not an organised faith,might be different regions in different periods of time developed their own codes of morality that often contradict one another.

Re: A Vedic Critique of Marxism

PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2015 5:05 pm
by Nosuperstition
These Hindu gurus are not even good at keeping secrets tight under wraps.I got to know of some of their secrets right from their mouths between my 6th and 10th standard.On the contrary,until I came to this forum,I knew not about this zubeir thingy.And I did not know a thing about song of songs in the Bible until I saw fight between a Christian and a muslim on the net.

Re: A Vedic Critique of Marxism

PostPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2016 2:57 pm
by Nosuperstition
Marxism

Abortion on demand.

Vedas/Dharmic faiths

Respect for innocent life


For advocating abortion as a means of saving the life of the mother,somewhere I was labelled by Hindu theologians as a demon/demoness that consumes human children.If so then how does one describe so called God who does not provide enough with arithmetic increase of food for the population that naturally increases in geometric proprotions? ;) ;) ;)

Re: A Vedic Critique of Marxism

PostPosted: Sat Apr 09, 2016 3:14 pm
by Nosuperstition
According the cults of Vaishnavism,Shaivism,Islam and Christianity,the Supreme God is Omnipotent.So it is simply not beyond his means to provide/bless a population ever increasing in geometric proportions with a proportional increase in food production.But the fact that he chooses only to provide them with an arithmetic increase or an increase that is not even arithmetic in times of famines only shows that he tacitly approves of either abortion or starvation to death of the infant child.

So God is not just supremely godly but also supremely demonic.Go figure out.

Re: A Vedic Critique of Marxism

PostPosted: Tue May 31, 2016 8:44 am
by antineoETC
Intelligent lad wrote:
MARXISM:

Materialism.


The most basic human needs are material. "Spirituality" is no substitute for food.

Biological Determinism.


Hinduism with its system of preordained castes is pretty deterministic I would say.

External environment creates human essence.


Well malnutrition does cause rickets and hungry people will steal food if no legal source is available.

Nurture trumps Nature.


See above

Radical egalitarianism.


As opposed to Hinduism's unradical inequality?

Globalization.


A rightwing neoliberal economic phenomenon.

Class, gender, race and social conflict.


These are realities. These are not the creation of Karl Marx. He merely tried to frame them in a historical conflict. Do you really think people are going to be exploited and abused by their employers and not kick up about it?

Multiculturalism.


Nothing wrong with that in principle.

Must go

Re: A Vedic Critique of Marxism

PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2016 1:05 pm
by Nosuperstition
class, gender, race and social conflict.


These are realities. These are not the creation of Karl Marx. He merely tried to frame them in a historical conflict. Do you really think people are going to be exploited and abused by their employers and not kick up about it?


It is true that a vast majority in the upper caste are relatively fair complexioned and in the lower castes are dark complexioned.Less exposure to sun and lesser accumulation of tan is true only to a certain extent.Genetic factors do have some effect.Now Braznor of this forum or braznor of the old forum,an apologist of Hindutva said that the upper castes are raped first by the muslims and then by the British and hence it is only natural that they are fair complexioned.

Yohan of the old and new fora said that one can see with their own eye that upper castes are fair complexioned in India and that the lower castes are dark complexioned.Now since even Muslim rulers of India are known to have imported African slaves and since Hindu nobles followed their Muslim superiors in customs,vocabulary and dress codes,it is safe to assume that even the medieval Hindu elite imported African slaves.Therefore one can also say that dark color automatically does not make one the son of the soil in India.

But then,I remember having read in my childhood that the Himalayas are formed when the Gondwana land from Africa separated from South Africa and crashed with Asia proper.I have also seen maps about how the land masses gradually drifted from one single block to many continents in my childhood.

Now if human beings existed during the time when the land chunk from Africa crashed unto the Asian land mass,it might mean that the original inhabitants of India are the Africans themselves.If it took much more time for man to evolve from homosapiens and Neanderthels,then people from M.E are the first inhabitants of the land that is now India.

Re: A Vedic Critique of Marxism

PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2016 1:08 pm
by Nosuperstition
You people say muslims are dumb.How could that be?See muslims knew even before Europeans that the Africans are the ones that are most productive in tropical climates.That is the reason why they imported African slaves into the sub-continent after subjugating Hindus.Darwin said much later that for work in the tropics , Africans are indispensable and it was much later that the Europeans imported African slaves into the vast sugar plantations of caribbean and South America as much of the native population was decimated.

Re: A Vedic Critique of Marxism

PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2016 7:07 am
by Nosuperstition
It is supposedly stated by Marx that all human relationships are basically economic in nature.As if there is no sentiment for a shared heritage or overlapped heritage.O.K,inspite of Marx having said so,the Communists along with sickular Congress leaders massacred some 300 Jai Andhra separate movement protestors in Vijayawada as they placed money above so called sentiments of shared heritage.One of the agitators of those period is the present B.J.P Union minister Mr.Venkaiah Naidu.

Now by 1990s,the so called spiritual party of B.J.P itself passed the Kaakinaada resolution for bifurcation of Andhra Pradesh and formation of Telangaana.Shared heritage and spirituality did not come across as hurdles for the B.J.P in laying the foundation for Telangaana purely for the sake of materialistic gains ,I suppose.Damn these spiritual hypocrites.

Re: A Vedic Critique of Marxism

PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2016 11:22 am
by Fernando
Nosuperstition wrote:But then,I remember having read in my childhood that the Himalayas are formed when the Gondwana land from Africa separated from South Africa and crashed with Asia proper.I have also seen maps about how the land masses gradually drifted from one single block to many continents in my childhood.

Now if human beings existed during the time when the land chunk from Africa crashed unto the Asian land mass
They didn't exist then.

Re: A Vedic Critique of Marxism

PostPosted: Tue Sep 20, 2016 3:07 pm
by Nosuperstition
Suppose you still believe in theory of Karma and it is a sin to deprive an infant of its sweet moments of its mother for whatever little duration it lives due to the prevalent diseases,lack of availability of cheap medicines for preventable diseases,malnourishment due to the need to nourish bread winners of the family etc and hence it is wrong to practice abortion.

However when the life of mother is at stake,suppose if the mother dies,that baby as well as other babies will first hand experience the treatment of a step mother and in my opinion it is better to let that foetus die with as much less pain as possible.Otherwise its life will see complete discrimination and it will hardly ever experience any happiness as it will die in its infancy itself per the theory of Malthus.

If for that reason,I am being labelled a demon,go ahead.I do not care.

Re: A Vedic Critique of Marxism

PostPosted: Wed Sep 21, 2016 3:03 pm
by Nosuperstition
If self decent considering Hindu women committing Jauhar(mass suicide by jumping into fire during wars) due to not being able to live mistreated like slaves/discriminated as slaves after wars is sanctioned by religion,I do not see why religion cannot sanction abolition of mistreatment/discrimination towards step children by protecting the life of the mother first. :cry: :cry: :cry:

Re: A Vedic Critique of Marxism

PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2016 11:15 am
by Nosuperstition
Even after Rome had been thoroughly Christianised by ethnically cleansing all pagans and installing Christian values which included injuctions against suicide,some 20,000 women are said to have committed suicide anticipating rape by the victorious Goths when enduring city of Rome finally fell.Similarly Greek women who are about to be made sex slaves by Turks are said to have jumped off high cliffs and committed suicide even though they are raised in a totally Christian atmosphere.Shows that when chances of outrage of modesty and cause of continued pain due to possible gangrapes for as much as 8 hours will make people think independently of inculcated religious values.Or may be the inculcated religious value of chastity and modesty are more prioritised than the inculcated value against committing suicide.So no wonder Hindu thelogians of the bygone days considered Jauhar a better option and gave it religious sanction.

Now a step son or step daughter is likely to be forced to die slowly of malnourishment once the mother is gone due to abortion being not allowed.So they too should not be allowed to endure such painful death.Hence a quick death relatively painless death of the foetus will only protect the other offspring of the mother from enduring such prolonged death.

Re: A Vedic Critique of Marxism

PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2016 2:45 pm
by Nosuperstition
Marxism

Abortion on demand.

Vedas/Dharmic faiths

Respect for innocent life


I will tell you about an incident which I have witnessed when I was between my 1st and 5th standard.We then used stay rented in a house with one hall,one kitchen,one bathroom and one toilet.Just to the left of our house was a very small congested single room which was rented to the Christian family employed as labourers by the land lord.That family consisted of a couple with a single child whose real name we all do not knew.His mother’s name is Mary and the child is nicknamed bakkai or the very thin one.They were a poor family originally from the rich and fertile Godavari districts of Andhra Pradesh.When someone asked Mary as to why they converted to Christianity,she replied teldorlu maaku illu kattittaavannaru(the white lords promised to build a house for us).

Now the room in which they lived was so congested that surely the child would have got awakened in the middle of the night when their father and mother did xyz. bakkai many a time used to peep from below his mother’s saree at her feet and I felt disgusted a lot many times.When we pointed out that indecency to his mother,she would scold him lightly but not rebuke him severely.I could not fathom the reason back then.I am able to understand the reason for that behavior of his right now.He was also an expert at using profanity even at that age when he was quite younger to me.I learnt about swearing and sex around class 6 and became sexually active around class 8.Then my parents used to beat me black and blue and also threatened me that thatastu gods exist above and if they supposedly say tathastu(that so be it),that swearing will simply materialize into reality.So using both religion and stick,they inculcated decency and decorum in me.

The bottom line is the more the population one has,the greater will be the migration of the poor to the cities where they will only produce more indecent people due to the existing circumstances. In general,Christians in India fare better than Hindus in many of the socio-economic parameters or indices and the greater you discourage people from family planning by calling those who advocate it as demons,the greater is the chance of repetition of the cycle of indecency and more would be the number of people who swear due to the frustration of not getting their desires satiated along with existing conditions such as those congested rooms etc.

mandi ekkuvaite majjiga paluchanavutundi(as the number of people increases,the quality of the buttermilk will naturally get diluted).

Re: A Vedic Critique of Marxism

PostPosted: Fri Dec 16, 2016 3:40 pm
by Nosuperstition
Marxism

Abortion on demand.

Vedas/Dharmic faiths

Respect for innocent life


When someone in the old forum pointed out that pure muslims of Saudi Arabia regularly beheads criminals,witches etc and hence Islam is bad,a forum member with the nick
bloodcrazedmuslim said that a religion which burns its criminals is far more worse.Perhaps he was pointing a finger at Christianity,which during medieval periods burned
heretics,witches etc or maybe he was pointing his finger at Hinduism which burned some of its widows on Suttee pyres.I do not remember exactly at whom he pointed his
accusative finger.

Now another forum member with the nick HPyroli also said in the old forum ,quoting some Hindu link itself that religious Hindus fasting on some of their weekly holy days or holy days is nothing but an oblation of flesh offered to the gods as dilute HCl(Hydrochloric acid) present in the stomach for digestion consumes the cells of human tissues when no food is made available to it during fasting.It is true that the burning sensation of hunger in Hinduism is described as Jatharaagni or the fire of the stomach and 'Agni', the fire god is also called havya vaahana or the carrier of offered oblations to the gods.

So going by her/his definition, if one considers death by starvation and death due to abortion,one is slow death by minute fire that consumes the flesh of the stomach of the infant while the other is an instantaneous death by spilling of blood.So going by the criterion given by bloodcrazedmuslim,it seems Almighty ,All-Knowing and Omnipotent God kills human beings in an even more worst fashion by providing them with an increased food production only in arithmetic progression while blessing them with kids in a geometric proportion,thereby subjecting them to hunger deaths.

And when I advocate killing of the foetus when the mother's life is in danger,I get labelled as a demon.That is the greatest irony of all.

Re: A Vedic Critique of Marxism

PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2016 3:36 am
by Nosuperstition
Dharmic religions

Ethnic Plurality.

Ethnic integrity.


One has no objection whatsoever if the national language is used as a link language and is taught as such for that purpose.However forcible imposition of language by obliterating the language of the others such as had happened in case of Celto-Romans upon whom French was fostered by the Germanic Franks in France,English by Anglo-Saxon Germanics,Spanish by Goths and Visigoths,Hungarian by the Central Asian Huns etc should not happen.

Without going that far into history,even during the times of Marie Curie,the Polish born scientist it was a capital punishment to teach Polish in Poland ruled over by the autocratic,draconian,authoritarian and despotic Czars of Russia.That is what I read about her being brave enough to secretly teach polish inspite of the prevailing law and earn enough money to send her sister to France for higher studies and in turn being sent to France in the same fashion.This is what I have read in my 4 th standard social studies lesson about this famous scientist who discovered radium to the best of what I remember.

Thankfully as of today,we do not have that much authoritarian regimes which atleast on the surface have not exhibited such tendencies.However the slogan of 'Hindi,Hindu and Hindustan' terrifies the others.

While religious people claim to have respect for diversity,Tipu Sultan, a very famed and powerful muslim ruler of Mysore abolished official record keeping in Sanskrit and Kannada and began using Persian language and Arabic scripts during his rule.Now that shows that religious people can also be paranoid and can also make statements of power.

desamante mattikaadoi,desamante manushuloi popular dialogue in Telugu meaning that a country actually means people and not soil.

Possibly it is idesigner1 who recently said that the U.S.A should pit one enemy against another just like the British did but what it actually does is go straighaway to war with its huge and costly war machinery.Mr Rajnath Singh,the home minister of India also recently commented that 'Divide and rule' does not exist in the Indian culture/is not of Indian usage.May be he is not aware of some ancient Indian books on statecraft which describe the 4 measures to be initiated against your adversaries or problems in consecutive order.

1)Saama or settle amicably with mutual agreement
2)daana or donation or bribing them to come to an agreement.
3)bheda or divide your opposition.Now this does come close to the Roman policy of 'divide and rule'
4)danda or use of punishing force.

Caste plurality was also used to pit one against another and discriminate against.While there should be no forced abolition of castes and castes must be allowed to flourish for as long as the people want to preserve their identity,a favourable climate should also be created for those who want intermingling of castes/tribes through inter-caste intermarriages and this flys in the face of those that want to keep up their privileges using the bheda measure.