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Atheists - nothing wrong in Hinduism & Bhuddhism

Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2011 8:13 pm
by tejpat
"Hinduism and Buddhism offer much more sophisticated worldviews (or philosophies) and I see nothing wrong with these religions"

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Re: Atheists - nothing wrong in Hinduism & Bhuddhism

Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 12:34 am
by Yohan
tejpat wrote:"Hinduism and Buddhism offer much more sophisticated worldviews (or philosophies) and I see nothing wrong with these religions"

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Why should Hinduism and Buddhism need any certification from Richard Dawkins, or for that matter, from anyone else? I know Buddhism doesn't! I wonder if he has ever heard about the Hindus caste system and its disastrous effect on people.

Why do Hindus here bring up quotes from Christians (missionaries?) to justify their religion?

Re: Atheists - nothing wrong in Hinduism & Bhuddhism

Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 12:36 am
by Saif al-Hafle Chai
Maybe I'm reading that wrong, but did you just call Richard Dawkins a Christian missionary?

Re: Atheists - nothing wrong in Hinduism & Bhuddhism

Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 12:40 am
by Yohan
Saif al-Hafle Chai wrote:Maybe I'm reading that wrong, but did you just call Richard Dawkins a Christian missionary?
That was a 'dig'. Hindu fanatics in this forum call any Christian making any statement about Hinduism that they don't like, a missionary, however accurate it is.

Re: Atheists - nothing wrong in Hinduism & Bhuddhism

Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 3:07 am
by Saif al-Hafle Chai
Ah, I see. I was confused there. XD I'll just file it under "sh!t I don't understand about the forum yet".

Re: Atheists - nothing wrong in Hinduism & Bhuddhism

Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 5:45 am
by tejpat
I believe "Yohan" didn't hear of Apostasy. maybe becoz he was taught in Jesus camp that anyone who believes other than "YHWH" ,he/she should be killed.
Dear "Yohan" there are people in the world who don't believe in your Biblical God, they are called Atheists.

Re: Atheists - nothing wrong in Hinduism & Bhuddhism

Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 10:11 am
by Wootah
I have to agree with Yohan. Why are Hindus and Buddhists still so desperate for Western validation?

The only benefit of Hinduism and Buddhism for Mr Dawkins is that they aren't Christian. It's just more self abusing from within the Western culture. We are already reaping the horrible results of Hinduism and Buddhism in the West ... I just watched eat, pray, love.
tejpat wrote:I believe "Yohan" didn't hear of Apostasy. maybe becoz he was taught in Jesus camp that anyone who believes other than "YHWH" ,he/she should be killed. Dear "Yohan" there are people in the world who don't believe in your Biblical God, they are called Atheists.
It's worth quoting what you said. I find it hard to believe one can be an atheist of other religions. They contain far too much stupid. Let me add as well that within Christianity we have actual historical events that either you believe occurred or did not. It explains again why science came from the West and why atheism comes from the West. If you don't believe in those actual historical events then you are left believing that a loving God does not exist. Atheism is only possible because of the logical surety of Christianity. When you reject a loving God you really are rejecting God in toto.

An atheist is simply someone who threw out the baby with the bathwater. But as we are observing, having abandoned Christianity, superstition and related nonsense rise back in the West. And why be surprised. We are made to worship and worship we shall, whether that is God or a statue or money or celebrities or spirits or global consciousness or gaia.

Re: Atheists - nothing wrong in Hinduism & Bhuddhism

Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 11:28 am
by Nomenclature
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Re: Atheists - nothing wrong in Hinduism & Bhuddhism

Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 11:33 am
by Sten
Wootah wrote:The only benefit of Hinduism and Buddhism for Mr Dawkins is that they aren't Christian.
Not at all. Hinduism and Buddism don't teach that unbelievers will be tortured for eternity, for example.

Re: Atheists - nothing wrong in Hinduism & Bhuddhism

Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 12:20 pm
by Wootah
Sten wrote:
Wootah wrote:The only benefit of Hinduism and Buddhism for Mr Dawkins is that they aren't Christian.
Not at all. Hinduism and Buddism don't teach that unbelievers will be tortured for eternity, for example.
How is not knowing about hell a benefit, here and now or in the hereafter?
How is teaching that life is an illusion a benefit?
How is it that science did not come from cultures with these religions?

Re: Atheists - nothing wrong in Hinduism & Bhuddhism

Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 1:26 pm
by matt2842
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Re: Atheists - nothing wrong in Hinduism & Bhuddhism

Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 2:29 pm
by tejpat
Wootah wrote:I have to agree with Yohan. Why are Hindus and Buddhists still so desperate for Western validation?
its a view of a person who is not christian, He is not a Government that we need a certification.
Wootah wrote:The only benefit of Hinduism and Buddhism for Mr Dawkins is that they aren't Christian. It's just more self abusing from within the Western culture. We are already reaping the horrible results of Hinduism and Buddhism in the West ... I just watched eat, pray, love.
so i knew it, robots are going to take over the world just like Terminator series or we'l become zombies like in Resident evil series.
Wootah wrote:Let me add as well that within Christianity we have actual historical events that either you believe occurred or did not.
Ohh, i certainly believe that a old person made a ship smaller than titanic and fetched all pairs of animal from the world,and your loving god destroyed all species , and on top of that oldy managed somehow to make sure Lions don't eat other animals for 40 days and 40 nights. its SO believable.
Wootah wrote:How is not knowing about hell a benefit, here and now or in the hereafter?
suppose, 2012 happened, than are you saying that billions of people will rot in your biblical hell just because they didn't believe your fictions fairytale book and He's evil tyrant & yet you say He is a loving god.
try saying 2 sentences together "you are going to rot in hell forever" "Jesus is loving god"

Re: Atheists - nothing wrong in Hinduism & Bhuddhism

Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 2:59 pm
by tejpat


Re: Atheists - nothing wrong in Hinduism & Bhuddhism

Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 4:51 pm
by Yohan
tejpat wrote:I believe "Yohan" didn't hear of Apostasy. maybe becoz he was taught in Jesus camp that anyone who believes other than "YHWH" ,he/she should be killed.
Dear "Yohan" there are people in the world who don't believe in your Biblical God, they are called Atheists.
You are a Hindu theist, but you are using a western atheist to certify your religion. If Richard Dawkins is a true atheist he should be disparaging all religions. If you are supporting an atheist, then you yourself should be atheist. Do you see your own hypocrisy? Do you see the hypocrisy of this Dawkins?

There are things you need to know about modern christianity. Many Western christians no longer believe in the superstitious aspects of Christianity. That's why Many churches stand nearly empty on Sundays. Neverthless people are Christians. Christians constantly question their religion. It is that aspect of them that gave rise to atheism, science, modernity and so on, and enlightened the world - as pointed out by Wootah.

You need to come out of the rusty world of primitive Hinduism, and develop some self confidence to question your own religion. That will stop you from quoting westerners to establish some respect for the aspects of Hinduism, as you have done below with the Sanskrit language. (As I have stated earlier, Sanskrit is not even native to India as it was brought in there by Aryan invaders who founded Hinduism - this fact is supported by Western Christian atheists too. So you can't even reject it.)
Sanskrit Language: The Most Scientific, Ancient, Spiritual
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Re: Atheists - nothing wrong in Hinduism & Bhuddhism

Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 5:24 pm
by Yohan
Sten wrote:
Wootah wrote:The only benefit of Hinduism and Buddhism for Mr Dawkins is that they aren't Christian.
Not at all. Hinduism and Buddism don't teach that unbelievers will be tortured for eternity, for example.
You can't judge other religions through through the prism of Christianity. You have to judge them by their own measures. For example, Hinduism clearly defines the boundaries of what the Hindu world is and who can belong in it. Those who live outside (like the Parayas, or the Dalits) are tortured and abused for eternity in their real lives. Now this is real time suffering, not some theoritical torture as you noted. These people can't even come in (not admitted in) even if they wanted to. Then there are borderline people like Sudras in Hinduism. They fare a little better than the Parayas, that's it. The word Paraya literally means 'outsider'.

Your statement is more accurate for Buddhism.

Re: Atheists - nothing wrong in Hinduism & Bhuddhism

Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 8:10 pm
by tejpat
Yohan wrote: You are a Hindu theist, but you are using a western atheist to certify your religion. If Richard Dawkins is a true atheist he should be disparaging all religions. If you are supporting an atheist, then you yourself should be atheist. Do you see your own hypocrisy? Do you see the hypocrisy of this Dawkins?

There are things you need to know about modern christianity. Many Western christians no longer believe in the superstitious aspects of Christianity. That's why Many churches stand nearly empty on Sundays. Neverthless people are Christians. Christians constantly question their religion. It is that aspect of them that gave rise to atheism, science, modernity and so on, and enlightened the world - as pointed out by Wootah.

You need to come out of the rusty world of primitive Hinduism, and develop some self confidence to question your own religion. That will stop you from quoting westerners to establish some respect for the aspects of Hinduism, as you have done below with the Sanskrit language. (As I have stated earlier, Sanskrit is not even native to India as it was brought in there by Aryan invaders who founded Hinduism - this fact is supported by Western Christian atheists too. So you can't even reject it.)
the whole christian based faith is on superstition.
people are quitting christianity and have became atheist and is not because of christianity, i mean you can say primitive immoral dubious christian faith is responsible.
I don't have enough time or patience to counteract the great so-called Aryan Invasion theory in ever post, believe what ever you can.
and as you comfortably didn't see what i wrote about dawkins, its a VIEW not a Certificate that we hang on every temple door.
Why your avoiding my posts regarding HELL.

Re: Atheists - nothing wrong in Hinduism & Bhuddhism

Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 3:35 am
by Yohan
tejpat wrote:the whole christian based faith is on superstition.
people are quitting christianity and have became atheist and is not because of christianity, i mean you can say primitive immoral dubious christian faith is responsible.
I don't have enough time or patience to counteract the great so-called Aryan Invasion theory in ever post, believe what ever you can.
and as you comfortably didn't see what i wrote about dawkins, its a VIEW not a Certificate that we hang on every temple door.
Why your avoiding my posts regarding HELL.
Your ignorance of Christianity is surpassed only by your ignorance of Hinduism. I am not surprised at all since you had stated that you learned all about Indian history by reading Ramayana! :roflmao:

Have you ever heard about a few Christian principles like the following Christianity is known for:
- Love your enemy
- Turn the other cheek
- One who committed no sin cast the first stone
- And so on
What is superstitious about them? Tell me! It is such things modern Christians try to follow, not the superstitious part.

It looks like, the way you post things about Hinduism here, by bringing up cheap quotes from some westerners, that you want it posted in Hindu temples to establish some badly needed credibility for Hinduism. It looks bad for Hinduism.

Re: Atheists - nothing wrong in Hinduism & Bhuddhism

Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 5:20 am
by tejpat
Yohan wrote: Your ignorance of Christianity is surpassed only by your ignorance of Hinduism. I am not surprised at all since you had stated that you learned all about Indian history by reading Ramayana! :roflmao:

Have you ever heard about a few Christian principles like the following Christianity is known for:
- Love your enemy
- Turn the other cheek
- One who committed no sin cast the first stone
- And so on
What is superstitious about them? Tell me! It is such things modern Christians try to follow, not the superstitious part.

It looks like, the way you post things about Hinduism here, by bringing up cheap quotes from some westerners, that you want it posted in Hindu temples to establish some badly needed credibility for Hinduism. It looks bad for Hinduism.
love your enemy - and Biblical god will burn people in ETERNAL HELL, im loving it !!!
Turn the other cheek - and crusades happened to turn the enemy's cheek and smite them
one who committed no sin cast the first stone - and they started burning women who were proven guilty as witches
and so on - Christians including their hypocrite god are so intolerant that they can't bear a population praying to other god, and they claim peacefulness tolerant religion.
I have no intention to have a word about a religion who promotes it by the Fear of Eternal Hell-fire. its pathetic even disgusting to hear that all loving god will put nearly 2/3 of human population in Eternal Hell-fire and yet proudly boasts in his bible about his so-called qualities, love peace white color dove.

Re: Atheists - nothing wrong in Hinduism & Bhuddhism

Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 8:26 am
by Wootah
tejpat wrote:
Yohan wrote: Your ignorance of Christianity is surpassed only by your ignorance of Hinduism. I am not surprised at all since you had stated that you learned all about Indian history by reading Ramayana! :roflmao:

Have you ever heard about a few Christian principles like the following Christianity is known for:
- Love your enemy
- Turn the other cheek
- One who committed no sin cast the first stone
- And so on
What is superstitious about them? Tell me! It is such things modern Christians try to follow, not the superstitious part.

It looks like, the way you post things about Hinduism here, by bringing up cheap quotes from some westerners, that you want it posted in Hindu temples to establish some badly needed credibility for Hinduism. It looks bad for Hinduism.
love your enemy - and Biblical god will burn people in ETERNAL HELL, im loving it !!!
Turn the other cheek - and crusades happened to turn the enemy's cheek and smite them
one who committed no sin cast the first stone - and they started burning women who were proven guilty as witches
and so on - Christians including their hypocrite god are so intolerant that they can't bear a population praying to other god, and they claim peacefulness tolerant religion.
I have no intention to have a word about a religion who promotes it by the Fear of Eternal Hell-fire. its pathetic even disgusting to hear that all loving god will put nearly 2/3 of human population in Eternal Hell-fire and yet proudly boasts in his bible about his so-called qualities, love peace white color dove.
Tejpat when you apply logic and a bit less emotion you can see that a good God is only possible if there is hell for bad people. I freely admit that it is discomforting to realise but logic is logic.

Re: Atheists - nothing wrong in Hinduism & Bhuddhism

Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 12:15 pm
by tejpat
Wootah wrote:Tejpat when you apply logic and a bit less emotion you can see that a good God is only possible if there is hell for bad people. I freely admit that it is discomforting to realise but logic is logic.
you are a pathetic degraded human who will remain happy even while knowing 2/3 of human population will burn in hell-fire and believing in this sub human ideology of Hell from a fictional fairytale book is even more repulsive