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Re: Atheists - nothing wrong in Hinduism & Bhuddhism

PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 1:08 am
by Yohan
bobs1244 wrote:As I see it, the thing about Hindus and Buddhists is that they are a lot more receptive to world-views outside of their own. While Semitic religions would meet advancements in science with "that's blasphemy!", such an attitude is absent with the Dharmic traditions. This stems from the fact there is no blackmailing with "do this or burn in hell!" kind of thing in both Hinduism and Buddhism. In other words, the deep rooted fear of hell that makes people want to please their God by hook or crook is absent. This makes both of these great traditions a lot more tolerant and receptive. This is one big reason why Hinduism has been able to transform itself and adapt to the modern world in almost no time.

There is also the fact that political objectives such as wanting to convert everyone to their own way of thinking doesn't exist. This attitude of Semitic religions (more so with Islam) alone has caused untold miseries to mankind that cannot be equaled by anything caused by either Hinduism or Buddhism.

You are right on Buddhism, but are plainly wrong regarding Hinduism.

Re: Atheists - nothing wrong in Hinduism & Bhuddhism

PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 5:41 am
by tejpat
Yohan wrote:You are right on Buddhism, but are plainly wrong regarding Hinduism.


If your pointing Aryan-Invasion Theory than your half right.
That theory has poor evidence to claim such a big issue.
All debunking points are in following book : (Its a big book)
http://www.bharatvani.org/books/ait/

Re: Atheists - nothing wrong in Hinduism & Bhuddhism

PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 6:24 pm
by bobs1244
Yohan wrote:You are right on Buddhism, but are plainly wrong regarding Hinduism.


Says who? The man that believes that believes in such half-baked myths as the Aryan Invasion nonsense? You are incapable of objective thinking thanks to your poisoned mindset.

Re: Atheists - nothing wrong in Hinduism & Bhuddhism

PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 1:01 am
by Yohan
tejpat wrote:
Yohan wrote:You are right on Buddhism, but are plainly wrong regarding Hinduism.


If your pointing Aryan-Invasion Theory than your half right.
That theory has poor evidence to claim such a big issue.
All debunking points are in following book : (Its a big book)
http://www.bharatvani.org/books/ait/

Please stop quoting Western Christians to authenticate the history of Hindus. No Hindu with any self pride would do such a thing to lower himself.

Re: Atheists - nothing wrong in Hinduism & Bhuddhism

PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 1:06 am
by Yohan
bobs1244 wrote:
Yohan wrote:You are right on Buddhism, but are plainly wrong regarding Hinduism.
Says who? The man that believes that believes in such half-baked myths as the Aryan Invasion nonsense? You are incapable of objective thinking thanks to your poisoned mindset.

Says me!! A Hindu who do not believe in the history of Aryan Invasion is no Hindu!

As I had stated earlier, though many religions had created a mythical world of Hell for religious purposes, no religion but Hinduism had succeeded in creating a real hell on this earth, for those who do not obey the laws and rules of Hinduism. Ask any Dalit! He will tell you you the Hindu hell he lives in, for the crimes he had committed in his past life. Such is the world of Hinduism!!

Re: Atheists - nothing wrong in Hinduism & Bhuddhism

PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 2:20 am
by bobs1244
Yohan wrote:
tejpat wrote:
Yohan wrote:You are right on Buddhism, but are plainly wrong regarding Hinduism.


If your pointing Aryan-Invasion Theory than your half right.
That theory has poor evidence to claim such a big issue.
All debunking points are in following book : (Its a big book)
http://www.bharatvani.org/books/ait/

Please stop quoting Western Christians to authenticate the history of Hindus. No Hindu with any self pride would do such a thing to lower himself.


What nonsense! What does self pride have to do with it? Read what is written not who writes it. It seems like you are more obsessed with the author than anyone else here! I or anyone else can quote anyone I or they want. You can go cry about it elsewhere. And Elst is no christian. If there is a christian here then that is you.

I quoted Swami Vivekananda elsewhere and you said he's biased due to his being Hindu and now I can't quote Koenraad Elst coz he's a westerner! You have a very weird way of putting your non-points through.

Here's some more reading: http://koenraadelst.blogspot.com/2011/0 ... asion.html. Yup, its a westerner! Cry me a river!

Re: Atheists - nothing wrong in Hinduism & Bhuddhism

PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 2:30 am
by Wootah
byteresistor wrote:So what this god considers to be bad is everyone who does not comply to the strict rules layed out by him in the bible. And let's not forget all those silly commands about what you should eat etc. and commands which contradict eachother. I doubt there is even one person alive who is true to the bible, cover to cover. No one gets into heaven. No one is worthy. The rules are set against us on purpose.


I would agree. Thank goodness God offered a solution.

Re: Atheists - nothing wrong in Hinduism & Bhuddhism

PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 2:31 am
by Wootah
skynightblaze wrote:There is a slight difference though.MAfias offer you heaven for the bad work you do while these christians can claim that their God offers heaven for the good work the christians do.

For the good works God did. Christianity puts no stock in our good deeds as being enough to get to Heaven.

Re: Atheists - nothing wrong in Hinduism & Bhuddhism

PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 3:01 am
by LCD
Sten wrote:
Wootah wrote:The only benefit of Hinduism and Buddhism for Mr Dawkins is that they aren't Christian.


Not at all. Hinduism and Buddism don't teach that unbelievers will be tortured for eternity, for example.


Yes. but they also don't necessarily teach that good action is the way, they suggest it, but infact with multiple reincarnation attempts for each one simply gets infinite chances to get it right, and Christianity says you get one, so Christians are supposed to act good.

Where in Christianity does it say kill the unbelievers, where in the bible, does it say this, oh wait, it doesn't.

That's the koran. ooopsie.

Funny how Dawkins if he really knew islam would rail against it, but Dawkins like the coward he in can only ever attack Christianity and ignore Judiasm.

Re: Atheists - nothing wrong in Hinduism & Bhuddhism

PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 3:59 am
by tejpat
Yohan wrote:Please stop quoting Western Christians to authenticate the history of Hindus. No Hindu with any self pride would do such a thing to lower himself.


And I thought last time when I quoted from Hindu source, You ( or wootah ) object strongly by pointing out those source are by some "Hindu Baba"
And this time, when I went by your conditions , You just ..
Your pathetic.

And you didn't go through even single page even in spite of Spoon feeding you like a Baby, right ?
your even more pathetic.

Re: Atheists - nothing wrong in Hinduism & Bhuddhism

PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 4:07 am
by tejpat
Wootah wrote:
skynightblaze wrote:There is a slight difference though.MAfias offer you heaven for the bad work you do while these christians can claim that their God offers heaven for the good work the christians do.

For the good works God did. Christianity puts no stock in our good deeds as being enough to get to Heaven.


Like what good the did ?
crusaders, deliberately killing thousands in Africa by educating them not to use condoms ?, witch burnings, Anti-Homosexual movement ( in africa, there is death penalty for being Homosexual) , ?

Re: Atheists - nothing wrong in Hinduism & Bhuddhism

PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 4:42 am
by tejpat
LCD wrote:
Sten wrote:
Wootah wrote:The only benefit of Hinduism and Buddhism for Mr Dawkins is that they aren't Christian.


Not at all. Hinduism and Buddism don't teach that unbelievers will be tortured for eternity, for example.


Yes. but they also don't necessarily teach that good action is the way, they suggest it, but infact with multiple reincarnation attempts for each one simply gets infinite chances to get it right, and Christianity says you get one, so Christians are supposed to act good.

Ever heard of Karma Theory. Please, spoon feed yourself.

LCD wrote:Where in Christianity does it say kill the unbelievers, where in the bible, does it say this, oh wait, it doesn't.
That's the koran. ooopsie.


It took me 5 minutes to search from authetic source that says bible orders to kill un-believers even if that person is mother father son daughter friend or anyone.
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Chap - 13
If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers : Deu 13 : 6
But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people : Deu 13 : 9
( source - http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/kjv/deu013.htm )

Chap - 17
2 If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant,
3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded;
4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel:
5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die.
(Source - http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/kjv/deu017.htm )

Re: Atheists - nothing wrong in Hinduism & Bhuddhism

PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 5:43 am
by Sten
LCD wrote:Funny how Dawkins if he really knew islam would rail against it, but Dawkins like the coward he in can only ever attack Christianity and ignore Judiasm.


You appear to be obsessed with Dawkins, without actually ever having listened to anything he says. His criticism of religion is not limited to Christianity.

Re: Atheists - nothing wrong in Hinduism & Bhuddhism

PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 12:26 am
by LCD
tejpat wrote:
Wootah wrote:
skynightblaze wrote:There is a slight difference though.MAfias offer you heaven for the bad work you do while these christians can claim that their God offers heaven for the good work the christians do.

For the good works God did. Christianity puts no stock in our good deeds as being enough to get to Heaven.


Like what good the did ?
crusaders, deliberately killing thousands in Africa by educating them not to use condoms ?, witch burnings, Anti-Homosexual movement ( in africa, there is death penalty for being Homosexual) , ?


1. Crusade cracks don't cut it, since Muslims are equally to blame.
2. Blaming christianity and claiming it educates not to use Condoms is a bold lie, and since in most countries around the world most 3rd world people don't care about condoms, i fail to see hwo you can blam ethat on Christianity.

Witch Burnings. Wow, so, you really can't blame that on christianity either since the Catholic Pope didn't sanctiion the Witchhammer.

Anti-Homosexual movement? That's Christianity's fault, really, last i heard Islam was in control of most of afrrica, but please show me how the anti-homosexual law, in what part of africa, has anything to do with christianity.

Re: Atheists - nothing wrong in Hinduism & Bhuddhism

PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 1:59 am
by Yohan
bobs1244 wrote:What nonsense! What does self pride have to do with it? Read what is written not who writes it. It seems like you are more obsessed with the author than anyone else here! I or anyone else can quote anyone I or they want. You can go cry about it elsewhere. And Elst is no christian. If there is a christian here then that is you.

I quoted Swami Vivekananda elsewhere and you said he's biased due to his being Hindu and now I can't quote Koenraad Elst coz he's a westerner! You have a very weird way of putting your non-points through.

Here's some more reading: http://koenraadelst.blogspot.com/2011/0 ... asion.html. Yup, its a westerner! Cry me a river!

This Elsy guy is nothing but a Christian mouth piece of the Hindu fanatics. His writings on Hindu history is nothing but junk! Any Hindu who quotes this guy has no pride in being a Hindu.

Swami Vivenkananda was a Hindu monk, and no one has any problems about his Hindu theological statements. But his statements about the history of Hinduism is nothing but garbage, since he was no historian.

Re: Atheists - nothing wrong in Hinduism & Bhuddhism

PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 2:02 am
by Yohan
tejpat wrote:Ever heard of Karma Theory. --------------

What karma theory have you been talking about? Karma theory coming from Hindus who had created a real Hell on Earth for Dalits and other unfortunates?

Re: Atheists - nothing wrong in Hinduism & Bhuddhism

PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 2:05 am
by byteresistor
LCD wrote:1. Crusade cracks don't cut it, since Muslims are equally to blame.

Crusades targeted at muslims were not the only crusades.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Crusades

2. Blaming christianity and claiming it educates not to use Condoms is a bold lie, and since in most countries around the world most 3rd world people don't care about condoms, i fail to see hwo you can blam ethat on Christianity.

Christian scripture may not say anything directly against condoms, but that doesn't seem to stop its followers saying it. And funny you should mention these 3rd world countries since in some of them christians are spreading the message to not use condoms.

Witch Burnings. Wow, so, you really can't blame that on christianity either since the Catholic Pope didn't sanctiion the Witchhammer.

http://www.malleusmaleficarum.org/

"Some modern scholars believe that Jacob Sprenger contributed little if anything to the work besides his name, but the evidence to support this is weak. Both men were members of the Dominican Order and Inquisitors for the Catholic Church. They submitted the Malleus Maleficarum to the University of Cologne’s Faculty of Theology on May 9, 1487, seeking its endorsement.

While general consensus is that The Catholic Church banned the book in 1490 by placing it on the Index Librorum Prohibitorum (“List of Prohibited Books”), the first Index was, in fact, produced in 1559 under the direction of Pope Paul IV. Therefore such claims are dubious, at best.
"

Anti-Homosexual movement? That's Christianity's fault, really, last i heard Islam was in control of most of afrrica

Actually it's more like 50/50.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Africa

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but please show me how the anti-homosexual law, in what part of africa, has anything to do with christianity.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uganda_Anti-Homosexuality_Bill
"Africans see homosexuality as being both un-African and un-Christian"


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uganda#Religion
According to the census of 2002, Christians made up about 84% of Uganda's population.[31] The Roman Catholic Church has the largest number of adherents (41.9%)


http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/04/world/africa/04uganda.html

http://www.internationalpoliticalwill.com/2010/01/ugandas-homosexuality-law-has-roots-in-american-christian-fundamentalism/

Isn't the internet amazing? I just completely demolished your half witted uneducated arguments with a few fast searchs of keywords youself provided. Ouch.

Re: Atheists - nothing wrong in Hinduism & Bhuddhism

PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 2:31 am
by Yohan
tejpat wrote:
Yohan wrote:You are right on Buddhism, but are plainly wrong regarding Hinduism.
If your pointing Aryan-Invasion Theory than your half right.
That theory has poor evidence to claim such a big issue.
All debunking points are in following book : (Its a big book)
http://www.bharatvani.org/books/ait/

This bharatvani organization is nothing but a propaganda setup run by Hindu fascist gangs to spread lies. Its value is nothing but trash! They are busy manufacturing history for Hinduism to be more palatable to the modern world by outright lies. Only fools would believe anything they wrote.

Re: Atheists - nothing wrong in Hinduism & Bhuddhism

PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 8:03 am
by bobs1244
Yohan wrote:
bobs1244 wrote:What nonsense! What does self pride have to do with it? Read what is written not who writes it. It seems like you are more obsessed with the author than anyone else here! I or anyone else can quote anyone I or they want. You can go cry about it elsewhere. And Elst is no christian. If there is a christian here then that is you.

I quoted Swami Vivekananda elsewhere and you said he's biased due to his being Hindu and now I can't quote Koenraad Elst coz he's a westerner! You have a very weird way of putting your non-points through.

Here's some more reading: http://koenraadelst.blogspot.com/2011/0 ... asion.html. Yup, its a westerner! Cry me a river!

This Elsy guy is nothing but a Christian mouth piece of the Hindu fanatics. His writings on Hindu history is nothing but junk! Any Hindu who quotes this guy has no pride in being a Hindu.

Swami Vivenkananda was a Hindu monk, and no one has any problems about his Hindu theological statements. But his statements about the history of Hinduism is nothing but garbage, since he was no historian.


Please feel free to substantiate your fanatic claims. All you are is a simplistic hater. Anything you don't agree with is junk to you.

And what about David Frawley, Francois Gautier, Alain Danielou, Michel Danino et al. ? These are mouthpieces too eh? I think it is clear who is talking garbage. And please explain to me what pride has to do with quoting a westerner?!! :P

Re: Atheists - nothing wrong in Hinduism & Bhuddhism

PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 8:27 pm
by Yohan
bobs1244 wrote:
Yohan wrote:This Elsy guy is nothing but a Christian mouth piece of the Hindu fanatics. His writings on Hindu history is nothing but junk! Any Hindu who quotes this guy has no pride in being a Hindu.

Swami Vivenkananda was a Hindu monk, and no one has any problems about his Hindu theological statements. But his statements about the history of Hinduism is nothing but garbage, since he was no historian.
Please feel free to substantiate your fanatic claims. All you are is a simplistic hater. Anything you don't agree with is junk to you.

And what about David Frawley, Francois Gautier, Alain Danielou, Michel Danino et al. ? These are mouthpieces too eh? I think it is clear who is talking garbage. And please explain to me what pride has to do with quoting a westerner?!! :P

All the people you have mentioned are clowns by any standard except that from Hindu fascists. No other proof needed for those praised only by Hindu fanatics and ridiculed by everyone else. By their authentication of lies from Hindus fanatics on Hindu history, they have cheapened Hinduism. Only a cheap religion would need such pitiable outsiders so desperately. No self respecting Hindu would run after these characters.