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Re: Atheists - nothing wrong in Hinduism & Bhuddhism

PostPosted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 3:44 am
by tejpat
Yohan wrote:There are a group of Hindu fanatics in this forum who hate all religions that did not originate in India. Their attitude comes from ther own inferiority complex.


Yohan = :prop:

Re: Atheists - nothing wrong in Hinduism & Bhuddhism

PostPosted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 4:30 am
by tejpat
Wootah wrote:It might be in the end how God treats outsiders but it certainly isn't how Christians are and should be treating outsiders. Clearly if you and I are aware how God will treat outsiders is bad and I don't want that then how I treat outsiders now will be to help them. It's why I think people should be more willing to understand how the 'Abrahamic faiths' are different. You'll never understand Islam unless you do. Islam thinks it will rule the world. Christianity thinks Satan rules the world. Power now will be nothing later.

thats what outsiders mean to you, a bunch of satans. Christians look at non-christians as if we are satans. thats my point.
1) Hell = I'll make an analogy for hell, a mafia boss who put gun on my head and tells me that i should give him 5$ every sunday or else he'll put me in Iron maiden forever. and christians say I committed suicide. your mafia boss murdered me,thats a reality. and yet you christians say your mafia boss is loving and peaceful god.
Spoiler! :
the videos given below tells exactly shows what Hell and christianity cult is.




Wootah wrote:Why is logic pathetic? You might not like it but it's just words on a page. You can defeat the logic and we can all leave Christianity any time.

that word on a page is responsible for many deaths,
watch christopher hitchens on youtube, or atheist experience, you'll leave christianity cult for sure.

Wootah wrote:On the issue of why God can't make bad people good, of course he can, but what is the value in that.
God can just make robots as well. And if God wants to make free willed beings then I suspect he is willing to respect that free will. Why aren't you willing to just go with reason? Sure disbelieve if you want but that doesn't mean being rude or insulting logic.

thats even pathetic, so your god thought to torture for ETERNITY. He's not all powerful, loving or peaceful.
Why i am not willing, its a false logic of free will, i'l again give a analogy of free will.
A Mafia boss who says to local shopkeeper, "go and spread your business, your free to go,you can do anything BUT you are suppose to sell my products ONLY or I'l torture you forever.
what sort of free will is that ?????

Wootah wrote:I have never thought of myself like that.
I think it shows that God prefers reality. God said things would be a certain way and he is willing to respect that. It is why you can trust God.

nonsense

Re: Atheists - nothing wrong in Hinduism & Bhuddhism

PostPosted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 4:30 am
by tejpat
Christian Hell

Re: Atheists - nothing wrong in Hinduism & Bhuddhism

PostPosted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 8:30 am
by Wootah
tejpat Ican only presume that we have cultural and language barrier issues here because you clearly aren't reading my posts.

I clearly implied that Christians have a moral imperative to be nice to non-Christians because we don't want them to go to hell.

I can fully comprehend your description of the mafia boss and hell. Can you take a deep breath before reading the next part?

Can you comprehend that a mafia boss or an evil God would not create heaven?

Logic hasn't killed anyone. Most Islamic violence is because they know they cannot win the intellectual debate. After all, 'Allah akbar' is the cry of a person trying to quell their moral and intellectual conscience before doing something they know is wrong.

I don't understand what aspect you think of your second use of the mafia boss denies free will.

Re: Atheists - nothing wrong in Hinduism & Bhuddhism

PostPosted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 2:28 pm
by byteresistor
Wootah wrote:Can you comprehend that a mafia boss or an evil God would not create heaven?

This mafia god also happens to have an ego and obviously he needs some people to stroke it for him. What's the use of power if you don't have anyone to tell you that you are in power? :worthy:

And a mafia boss does create a "heaven", for the people close to him. This "heaven" is the luxurious lifestyle his lackeys get to enjoy, aslong as they don't do anything to cross him.

Re: Atheists - nothing wrong in Hinduism & Bhuddhism

PostPosted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 3:39 pm
by Wootah
byteresistor wrote:
Wootah wrote:Can you comprehend that a mafia boss or an evil God would not create heaven?

This mafia god also happens to have an ego and obviously he needs some people to stroke it for him. What's the use of power if you don't have anyone to tell you that you are in power? :worthy:

And a mafia boss does create a "heaven", for the people close to him. This "heaven" is the luxurious lifestyle his lackeys get to enjoy, aslong as they don't do anything to cross him.


I think we all watched the Sopranos. Yes by the grace of the mafia boss some earn favour and others don't but that is just tyranny.

Re: Atheists - nothing wrong in Hinduism & Bhuddhism

PostPosted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 8:44 pm
by byteresistor
Wootah wrote:by the grace of the mafia boss some earn favour and others don't but that is just tyranny.

Exactly. Now if you could tell me what makes a god who creates a heaven and a hell any different from that concept?

Re: Atheists - nothing wrong in Hinduism & Bhuddhism

PostPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 4:08 am
by Wootah
byteresistor wrote:
Wootah wrote:by the grace of the mafia boss some earn favour and others don't but that is just tyranny.

Exactly. Now if you could tell me what makes a god who creates a heaven and a hell any different from that concept?


I was implying there is no such heaven if the god is evil. No one is loved and priceless and valued by the mafia boss in that scenario.

But a god that makes heaven and hell clearly means for one place to be good and the other bad. Everything else implies there is no heaven only hell.

Re: Atheists - nothing wrong in Hinduism & Bhuddhism

PostPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 9:32 am
by tejpat
Wootah wrote:I was implying there is no such heaven if the god is evil. No one is loved and priceless and valued by the mafia boss in that scenario.

But a god that makes heaven and hell clearly means for one place to be good and the other bad. Everything else implies there is no heaven only hell.


a Mafia boss makes heaven for his followers,who sells mafia products,mafia boss showers loads of money,gives whatever his follower asks because they are booming his business but on the contrary makes hell for those who crosses the line.
sounds familiar ?

Re: Atheists - nothing wrong in Hinduism & Bhuddhism

PostPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 12:15 pm
by byteresistor
Wootah wrote:But a god that makes heaven and hell clearly means for one place to be good and the other bad.

Well let's look on what grounds this god sends people into hell, shall we?

1 Corinthians 6:9-10
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.


sexually immoral: the bible considers almost everything immoral when it comes to sex, I guess were all back to the good old missionary position and thinking about work when we're having sex. Lust is a sin afterall.
idolaters: sorry catholics
adulterers, thieves, swindlers: an infinite punishment for a finite crime
homosexuals: yeah, do I even need to say anything here?
the greedy: sorry capitalism
drunkards: a punishment for hurting oneself. really???

Psalm 14:1
The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.” They are corrupt, they do abominable deeds, there is none who does good.


I guess that's talking about me. I have never done anything good because I don't believe in god. Yep god got me there, I am Hitler reincarnate. /sarcasm

And there's plenty more of where that came from.

So what this god considers to be bad is everyone who does not comply to the strict rules layed out by him in the bible. And let's not forget all those silly commands about what you should eat etc. and commands which contradict eachother. I doubt there is even one person alive who is true to the bible, cover to cover. No one gets into heaven. No one is worthy. The rules are set against us on purpose.

Re: Atheists - nothing wrong in Hinduism & Bhuddhism

PostPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 12:24 pm
by PTB
Well let's look on what grounds this god sends people into hell, shall we?

1 Corinthians 6:9-10
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

sexually immoral: the bible considers almost everything immoral when it comes to sex, I guess were all back to the good old missionary position and thinking about work when we're having sex. Lust is a sin afterall.
idolaters: sorry catholics
adulterers, thieves, swindlers: an infinite punishment for a finite crime
homosexuals: yeah, do I even need to say anything here?
the greedy: sorry capitalism
drunkards: a punishment for hurting oneself. really???


no no no. all an allergory. :prop:

Re: Atheists - nothing wrong in Hinduism & Bhuddhism

PostPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 12:36 pm
by tejpat
PTB wrote:no no no. all an allergory. :prop:


I always :giveup: in front of :BS:

Re: Atheists - nothing wrong in Hinduism & Bhuddhism

PostPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 2:05 pm
by PTB
from http://richarddawkins.net/articles/2014 ... -religions

Hinduism and Buddhism offer much more sophisticated worldviews (or philosophies) and I see nothing wrong with these religions.

Use the comment space below to present your rebuttal. Let's try and be clear and concise, as if this were to be used in a debate.


typical fundie quote mining. this doesnt look like approval. its debate point like these http://debatepoint.org/

Re: Atheists - nothing wrong in Hinduism & Bhuddhism

PostPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 2:26 pm
by skynightblaze
byteresistor wrote:
Wootah wrote:Can you comprehend that a mafia boss or an evil God would not create heaven?

This mafia god also happens to have an ego and obviously he needs some people to stroke it for him. What's the use of power if you don't have anyone to tell you that you are in power? :worthy:

And a mafia boss does create a "heaven", for the people close to him. This "heaven" is the luxurious lifestyle his lackeys get to enjoy, aslong as they don't do anything to cross him.


There is a slight difference though.MAfias offer you heaven for the bad work you do while these christians can claim that their God offers heaven for the good work the christians do.

Re: Atheists - nothing wrong in Hinduism & Bhuddhism

PostPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 2:31 pm
by skynightblaze
wootah wrote:I was implying there is no such heaven if the god is evil.


A few good things dont negate the bad things one does. Bad deeds especially criminal activities renders all your good work to pieces even if you commit a single crime like rape or murder. Even Hitler did some goods thing but that doesnt mean we call him a good person.Your God creates hell and burns people for disbelief in christianity so that's equivalent to a murder. Burning someone for mere disbelief is a crime and its no different than psycho islamic God who wishes to eliminate everyone who shows disbelief in him.

Re: Atheists - nothing wrong in Hinduism & Bhuddhism

PostPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 3:20 pm
by byteresistor
skynightblaze wrote:There is a slight difference though.MAfias offer you heaven for the bad work you do while these christians can claim that their God offers heaven for the good work the christians do.

This is subjective. Bad work from who's pov? I don't consider some of the things the god of the bible tells his followers to do that good.

Re: Atheists - nothing wrong in Hinduism & Bhuddhism

PostPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 4:04 pm
by skynightblaze
byteresistor wrote:
skynightblaze wrote:There is a slight difference though.MAfias offer you heaven for the bad work you do while these christians can claim that their God offers heaven for the good work the christians do.

This is subjective. Bad work from who's pov? I don't consider some of the things the god of the bible tells his followers to do that good.


I have no clue about the bible as to what it terms as "good" but I see you have a point there.

Re: Atheists - nothing wrong in Hinduism & Bhuddhism

PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 12:26 pm
by jaetwee
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Re: Atheists - nothing wrong in Hinduism & Bhuddhism

PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 12:40 pm
by skynightblaze
jaetwee wrote:Have you been to heaven? No.
Have you been to hell? No.
Have you had a close call with death? No.
If you have had a close call with death, have you found any flaws in the scientifically explanation of your experience? Either way, no.
Have you seen God (really seen him like you see your best friend)? No.
Have you ever met a Christian that will desperately try to change the subject when the existence of Dinosaurs comes into play? Yes
Have you ever met somebody who follows a religion and doesn't question it's values openly, but gets all defensive when you question why they blindly follow that religion? Yes
If most of your answers are the same as mine, than you are either atheist or need to open your eyes and see the fraud of these "gods".
Jesus was not a messenger of god, he was just a good man who wanted to free his nations people of slavery.
Scientific explanation of the 10 plagues of egypt from the bible.
1. An outbreak in a red algae affects all life looks like blood. This algae kills the fish and poisons the water. The fish rot and stink. The crops had no water to irrigate them.
2. The algae drove all the frogs from the water. They died because they could not access their food source.
3. With the frogs dead, the gnats were able to freely and quickly breed, creating an outbreak in their population.
Google the real causes of the ten plagues of egypt to find out more.
Science can explain the "works" of Christianity and so forth, but religion fails to explain science.
Once, "god" told the people the world was flat. Would you believe him if he told you that now?

Question your Christianity. Help fight the lies of "god".



Was that directed at me? If yes you are barking up on the wrong tree. We are on the same boat .I am an atheist.

Re: Atheists - nothing wrong in Hinduism & Bhuddhism

PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 4:18 am
by bobs1244
As I see it, the thing about Hindus and Buddhists is that they are a lot more receptive to world-views outside of their own. While Semitic religions would meet advancements in science with "that's blasphemy!", such an attitude is absent with the Dharmic traditions. This stems from the fact there is no blackmailing with "do this or burn in hell!" kind of thing in both Hinduism and Buddhism. In other words, the deep rooted fear of hell that makes people want to please their God by hook or crook is absent. This makes both of these great traditions a lot more tolerant and receptive. This is one big reason why Hinduism has been able to transform itself and adapt to the modern world in almost no time.

There is also the fact that political objectives such as wanting to convert everyone to their own way of thinking doesn't exist. This attitude of Semitic religions (more so with Islam) alone has caused untold miseries to mankind that cannot be equaled by anything caused by either Hinduism or Buddhism.