Abdul wrote:If with one eye a person can see one mile down the road then with 2 eyes how far he/she can see?
Your question is ridiculous, and it does not counter my analogy in any way whatsoever.
Of course, it doesn’t contradict your analogy of lion. I gave you a better analogy on your behalf. I wrote that from your side, seemingly on your favour. Your analogy of lions and my analogy of one/two eyes convey the message. Only mine is concise and sharper.
I said, we scientist can defend your side better than you can. Please scroll up and reads my post again.
Fathom wrote:I wrote no such argument as you've listed above. My argument was "Since no one can demonstrate the origin of existence, "determinism" cannot be validated." Determinism absolutely requires an origin to be true, and so far no origin has been proven. All you have is theory.
You missed the point.
To be able to predict the future one indeed needs the
1) initial condition (big-bang) AND
2) all the rules (laws of nature) AND
3) computing capacity.
But to understand that the future is a function of those 3 items above one doesn't need to know any of those 3.
I was showing you the consequence of “cause and effect”. My 15 ball pool game analogy was about “cause and effect”. Whatever happens in your brain, a thought pops up that you call decision, choice, and free will, are the result of previous causes. These causes are brain’s electrochemical action/reaction, and bodily internal and external stimuli, none of which is free. It is not free of time eitehr as MBL and The Cat seems to imply.
Universe doesn’t have to be deterministic for Free Will NOT to exist.
The logic is: since everything in the brain follows strict laws of nature therefore, “Free Will” cannot exist.
A reasonable mind doesn't need anything else to understand that Free Will cannot exist.
I know, it is very painful for you even to think of "No Free Will".
It hurts your feeling just like Muslims mind explodes with pain when you make cartoon of Mohammad
Muslim and you both got faith, just on different things.
You need to understand that:
Helicopter taking off vertically up doesn’t defy gravity.
Superconductor close to absolute zero floats above the magnet doesn’t break the laws of nature.
Genetic manipulation doesn’t violate laws of physics.
Human creativity doesn’t break the laws of nature but merely uses it.
Entity can be self-aware but still be helpless to do or even think. Self-awareness doesn’t mean you have free Will.
Oh, BTW, I forgot to tell you earlier that Muslims and Christians hired me to spank your butt with my logic.
You are going down in your own eyes. Because, I am exposing your own illogic to you. I am sending you through the hell of Cognitive Dissonance.
Again, summary,:: since everything in the brain follows strict laws of nature, cause and effect, therefore, Free Will cannot exist.
The more you think on this the more you will be humiliated in your own mind. Muslims are laughing at you, now.
What religioin are you going to try next?
Religion of "Free Will" and deceptive double talk?
Yup, prolonged study of theology and prolonged company of theologians before sound scientific training does damage human brain to its most fundamental level. Good news is that this damage is not always irreversible.