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Intelligent and Compassionate design of life pr Creationists

PostPosted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 3:00 am
by Nosuperstition
Appendicities is the end part of human small intestine or large intestine.It exists not just in human beings but in many other herbivores that have an intake of leaves.This part
supposedly helps in the digestion of the green colored chlorophyll present in leaves.Now as human beings and some apes have mostly stopped feeding on most plant leaves
,this part had supposedly become smaller and smaller in them as it is of no use.Human being supposedly cannot digest chlorophyll as part of their evolution.Now even if this part is surgically removed due to severe pain arising out of it,human beings are in no way effected with regards to carrying on with their day-to-day lives.

Now the existence of this superflous part in human beings supposedly proves/substancies the assumed fact that human beings are a product of evolution and a product of nature.Now what do the people who subscribe to the theory of Intelligent and Compassionate design by God,have to say about it.

To put it more frankly,how are they going to debunk this argument?

And manfred or someone of this forum had recently said that you are not allowed to insult the religion of your host country if you are to reside over there.So does questioning such as this posed by me come under insulting the religions that subscribe to Creationism or does it come under freedom of expression and pursuit of scientific temper?

Re: Intelligent and Compassionate design of life pr Creation

PostPosted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 3:03 am
by Nosuperstition

Re: Intelligent and Compassionate design of life pr Creation

PostPosted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 3:04 am
by Nosuperstition

Re: Intelligent and Compassionate design of life pr Creation

PostPosted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 3:48 am
by manfred
NS, this is a bit garbled, but if I understand you right, you are saying the appendix in humans suggests a process of evolution.

This does not need "debunking" as it seems quite correct. As do, btw, 5 fingers, the distribution of hair, and many other things. How does it fit with the belief in creation you are asking? Well, it it not possible that the very process of evolution is a planned idea? Man created as a "process", as a concept that can adapt?

As to suggesting not to "insult" religion", if we are asking of Muslims living in the West to adapt to and respect our culture and values, it would be hypocrisy for a Westerner who freely chooses to live in a different land not to do the the same. This also means to at least keep quite about Islam if you decide to live in an Islamic country. It also is would be in you own interest for safety.

And to discuss and analyse a religion is not "insulting" it. Saying "you insult my religion" is a way to STOP discussion and analysis.

Re: Intelligent and Compassionate design of life pr Creation

PostPosted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 10:15 am
by Nosuperstition
manfred wrote:NS, this is a bit garbled, but if I understand you right, you are saying the appendix in humans suggests a process of evolution.

This does not need "debunking" as it seems quite correct. As do, btw, 5 fingers, the distribution of hair, and many other things. How does it fit with the belief in creation you are asking? Well, it it not possible that the very process of evolution is a planned idea? Man created as a "process", as a concept that can adapt?

As to suggesting not to "insult" religion", if we are asking of Muslims living in the West to adapt to and respect our culture and values, it would be hypocrisy for a Westerner who freely chooses to live in a different land not to do the the same. This also means to at least keep quite about Islam if you decide to live in an Islamic country. It also is would be in you own interest for safety.

And to discuss and analyse a religion is not "insulting" it. Saying "you insult my religion" is a way to STOP discussion and analysis.


Yeah,I was a bit wrong.Appendix is the name of the part,appendicities is the disease or pain associated with it that mandates is compulsory surgical removal.

It takes considerable time for mutations to take effect and for a new species capable of interbreeding within itself to evolve.It cannot happen in 1 day when God supposedly created Adam and Eve after spending 6 or 7 days for creating the universe as per the Bible.Can it?

And what exactly is the time duration mentioned per Quran with regards to creation of Adam and Even by God?

Re: Intelligent and Compassionate design of life pr Creation

PostPosted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 2:45 pm
by manfred
NS.... The creation story in the bible is a POEM, not an account of events. The purpose of the poem is a THEOLOGICAL one... it is there to speak of the belief that God is a creator, and one who not merely created everything including man, but who also sets man over the rest of creation ... man is a "steward" for the things in this world... man "names" them, therefore making him both the ruler and protector over them. The seven days are a device to establish the importance of the Sabbath.... And the sun and moon are called "lamps" in a swipe against sun and moon worshippers. God creates with his "word", gives live with his breath... So God's word creates and ORDER of things, and life is the "breath of God", making all living things very special. The poem then moves on to the origin of sin: pride and disobedience, and the consequence of sin... death...

To try to make this story into an account of evolution in to fail to understand the basics of the text. It is not telling us about the mechanics of how the world came about, but about what the world is and what our place is in it.

Re: Intelligent and Compassionate design of life pr Creation

PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 6:26 am
by Nosuperstition
Now one more question.Since man is supposedly a moral animal and since most other animals like cats,dogs etc are all supposedly morally inferior with regards to sexual promiscuity etc ,does that give man the right to make them extinct and take their place and occupy all of their habitats?Their promiscuity had been discussed at length in the discovery channel,the national geographic channel and in the animal planet.

Re: Intelligent and Compassionate design of life pr Creation

PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2019 3:14 am
by Nosuperstition
In fact , some animals such as the deer and the elephant appear much more moral than some human beings with regards to sexual aspects in that they mate only when they are in heat in some specific months.Still Intelligent and Compassionate God gave stewardship of those animals to human beings who are bent upon making them extinct.

Re: Intelligent and Compassionate design of life pr Creation

PostPosted: Sun Oct 13, 2019 6:14 pm
by Fernando
Nosuperstition wrote:In fact , some animals such as the deer and the elephant appear much more moral than some human beings with regards to sexual aspects in that they mate only when they are in heat in some specific months.Still Intelligent and Compassionate God gave stewardship of those animals to human beings who are bent upon making them extinct.
Creationist or evolutionist, humans are different from many other animals in that they are fertile in a monthly cycle, not just in particular seasons. They also lack much of the mechanism of most animals for indicating and detecting when they are fertile. As for morality, at what point are animals sentient enough for morality or immorality to be possible? Ants? Frogs? Dogs? Chimps?

Re: Intelligent and Compassionate design of life pr Creation

PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 3:33 pm
by Nosuperstition
As for morality, at what point are animals sentient enough for morality or immorality to be possible? Ants? Frogs? Dogs? Chimps?


When I googled word sentient,there were many positive results that showed animals being sentient.

Re: Intelligent and Compassionate design of life pr Creation

PostPosted: Tue Oct 22, 2019 3:11 am
by Nosuperstition
Ants? Frogs? Dogs? Chimps?


About Chimps,I know little other than the fact that their D.N.A closely resembles that of humans.Dogs on the other hand are a lot attached to human beings.

Once again,I cannot comment about frogs as I know very little about them.

But then ants are quite hard working animals.They do not even have families of their own and yet strive hard as slaves for the well being of their queen/queen mother.Occasionally one or two bad sheep amongst them eats off the eggs of the queen ,but then in an overall sense they strive a lot more for their queen and her offspring.They too wage wars with rivals of their own species in order to protect their own ant-hills.

Similarly some snakes are known to eat off their own eggs just like some chimps and some squirrels eat off the young of their own when they are faced with famine like situations.But then that is hardly any different to human beings going to war ,killing off their own for survival or practicing family planning as food supply in nature always falls short of population increase when there is no family planning.