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manfred wrote:I tell you want we don't have... executions for adultery
manfred wrote:If it is one of the cultural things that is established in India, at a bare minimum we can say the Islam has done nothing at all to pot a stop to it.
was still in vogue in France upto 1970s where a husband killing his unfaithful wife out of being enraged due to her misconduct is either not guilty or is liable for a minor penalty
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So even Christianity did not do away with honor killing even after 2000 years of being in the office.People of this forum did indeed say that muslims use the excuse of the sense of honor being an emotion tend to justify honor killing,but honor is not an emotion.

However my personal experience had been that loss of personal honor is an intense feeling of emotion that almost makes one go the extent of suicide.I do not support killing others ,though.
palli or halli in Dravidian languages means a village just like gaav in Aryan languages means a village.palli or halli in Aryan Mauryan Imperial era around 200 B.C designates a tribal hamlet.So many of those in South India are indeed descendants of tribals and are still keeping up that heritage.

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Nosuperstition wrote:
was still in vogue in France upto 1970s where a husband killing his unfaithful wife out of being enraged due to her misconduct is either not guilty or is liable for a minor penalty
So even Christianity did not do away with honor killing even after 2000 years of being in the office.
Terrible though that is, it's not the same. AFAIK the French allowed a lesser penalty for a "crime of passion", which they rather expect due to their excitable Gallic nature. Killing because someone is sleeping with your wife is a very different matter - in kind, rather than degree - from killing your daughter for associating with someone of a different religion.
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Terrible though that is, it's not the same. AFAIK the French allowed a lesser penalty for a "crime of passion", which they rather expect due to their excitable Gallic nature. Killing because someone is sleeping with your wife is a very different matter - in kind, rather than degree - from killing your daughter for associating with someone of a different religion.
Yes ,but as I had noted before,a honor killing does not always occur in such a scenario.

Now going back to this thread,

velupu in Telugu=devudu/devatha in Sanskritised Telugu=devi/devatha in Hindi=deity
palli or halli in Dravidian languages means a village just like gaav in Aryan languages means a village.palli or halli in Aryan Mauryan Imperial era around 200 B.C designates a tribal hamlet.So many of those in South India are indeed descendants of tribals and are still keeping up that heritage.

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Balls_of_Titanium_1 wrote:Secondly, if you are talking about most Pakistanis, then know that your ancestors dravidians were raped and gang raped by Brahamins who imposed casteism on them and treated them like dogs. You ancestors were called Shudras. They were considered fit only to clean gutters. Muslims liberated them from such tyranny.
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Did that happen,we do not know.But then according the news of the international media,during the Balkan wars of 1990s,Serbs supposedly gang raped Muslim women saying that you should bear Serb children without knowing who the father is.So trying to bastardise is not new in history.However it was also equally true that those offspring were left in hospitals by the rape victims who refused to bring them home and raise them.

So bastards will not be that easily accepted by the defeated race.
palli or halli in Dravidian languages means a village just like gaav in Aryan languages means a village.palli or halli in Aryan Mauryan Imperial era around 200 B.C designates a tribal hamlet.So many of those in South India are indeed descendants of tribals and are still keeping up that heritage.

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And the topic is?
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manfred wrote:And the topic is?
People who came up with the Vedas or the Aryans. Brahmins are supposedly the remnant pure blood of white Aryans and an allegation had been levelled that these people have gangraped the Dravidian races of South India.The fact that it is easy to identify an upper caste person from a lower caste and a South Indian from a Northerner through their facial features only proves that the raped offspring , if any , were disowned by the raped victims,if any.
palli or halli in Dravidian languages means a village just like gaav in Aryan languages means a village.palli or halli in Aryan Mauryan Imperial era around 200 B.C designates a tribal hamlet.So many of those in South India are indeed descendants of tribals and are still keeping up that heritage.

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Name Mysura Reddy is a popular Telugu one.What could be its origins?

Now the city of Mysore or Mysuru in Karnataka is supposedly named after Mahishaasura or the buffalo-demon in Sanskrit.But then who would want oneself to be named after a demon and which city would be named after a demon.

Or Mysuura is a colloquial form of Maheesuura or a brave warrior on the earth in Sanskrit.

But then we cannot say for sure whether Mysuura is named after Mahishaasura or Maheesuuraa. Perhaps it is situations such as these which might have made some to conclude that linguistic paleontology is a pseudo-science.
palli or halli in Dravidian languages means a village just like gaav in Aryan languages means a village.palli or halli in Aryan Mauryan Imperial era around 200 B.C designates a tribal hamlet.So many of those in South India are indeed descendants of tribals and are still keeping up that heritage.

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Now village deities such as katta Maisamma,Gandi Maisamma,Poleramma,Pochamma,Maremma,Jakkamma,Yellamma etc are worshipped more so by the lower castes ones in Telugu lands.Now Maisamma could mean the buffalo goddess following the rule that tribals worship totems.Or could also mean the goddess who won over the buffalo demon or Maheesuramma.

Just like karnam of Sanskritised Telugu=kaan in Hindi=ear,

Might be this Maheesuramma later metamorphed into Maisamma forgoing some vowels and consonants per the rules of linguistic paleontology. Who knows? So a lot of guess work/speculation comes into picture while trying to delve into the roots of one word.
palli or halli in Dravidian languages means a village just like gaav in Aryan languages means a village.palli or halli in Aryan Mauryan Imperial era around 200 B.C designates a tribal hamlet.So many of those in South India are indeed descendants of tribals and are still keeping up that heritage.

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andam in Telugu = soundaryam in Sanksritised Telugu = sundar/khuubsuurat in Hindi/Hindustani=beauty

valapu/pondu in Telugu = rati/samparkam in Sanskritised Telugu = sex ( Hindu goddess of beauty is called rati,just as her consort Hindu god of love is called Manmadha or heart churner )

muddhu in Telugu = chumbanam in Sanskritised Telugu = chummaa in Hindi = a kiss

kotta in Telugu=nava/navya/naveena in Sanskritised Telugu=naya/naveentham in Hindi=nou in Persian/Iranian=new/neo in English

roju in Sanskritised Telugu=roz in Hindi and Persian=one day and one night combined together in English

Now Nouroz=Nou+roz is a Persian new year festival preceding the arrival of Islam and still observed by some ethnicities of Middle East.

Kshatriya in Sanskritised Telugu = Xatia in Persian= ruling aristocratic class

sura in Sanskritised Telugu = hura in Persian = god/demon(h to S transition is the same as that seen in Swetha=white)

asura in Sanskritised Telugu = ahura in Persian = demon/god

konda in Telugu = giri in Sanskritised Telugu = pahaad in Hindi = hill

velugu in Telugu = Prakaasam in Sanskritised Telugu = Prakaash / Roshni in Hindi = light

cheekati in Telugu = andhakaaram in Sanskritised Telugu = andhera in Hindi = darkness.

lanja in Telugu = vyabhichaari or vyabhichaarini or Vesya in Sanskritised Telugu = rand in Hindi = prostitute

Now vela means price in Telugu and kanta means a woman in Sanskritised Telugu.Therefore a prostitute is also called velakanta.

teesukonu in Telugu = sveekarinchu in Sanskritised Telugu = sveekaar / lena in Hindi = to receive

ivvu in Telugu = anugrahinchu in Sanskritised Telugu = dena in Hindi = to give.(Goddess of Wealth Lakshmi/Laxmi in Hindu pantheon is also called Dena Devi perhaps because she is the giver)

dongatanam/cheti vaatam in Telugu = taskarana/hasta laaghavam in Sanskritised Telugu = chori in Hindi = theft

cherachu in Telugu = balaatkaaram/maanabhangam in Sanskritised Telugu = atyaachaar in Hindi = rape

champu/kada terchu/tuda muttinchu/mattubettu in Telugu = vadhinchu/antam chuudu/hatamaarchu/parimaarchu in Sanskritised Telugu = maarna/khatam karna in Hindi = to kill off

Here antam seems to be a cognate of English word end and antam chuudu means to see his end.

oppu in Telugu = uchitam or dharmam in Sanskritised Telugu = sahi in Hindi = right

tappu in Telugu = anuchitam or adharmam in Sanskritised Telugu = galat in Hindi / Hindustani = wrong.
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palli or halli in Dravidian languages means a village just like gaav in Aryan languages means a village.palli or halli in Aryan Mauryan Imperial era around 200 B.C designates a tribal hamlet.So many of those in South India are indeed descendants of tribals and are still keeping up that heritage.

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And having been authored in the fertile lands of the sub-continent,the Vedas are more voluminous than any other religious scripture.With the inclusion of the Upanishads,the Brahmanas,the itihaasaas and the Puranas and the Dharma Sutras and Dharma saastras,Hindu religious literature is the largest in the world.However I did not even know that the Vedas constitute the sacred most part of Hindu literature up until I knew of the internet.Perhaps due to the animal sacrifices mentioned in them,Buddha supposedly described them as words of cats and dogs.This is per our old forum member HPyroli.

And according to the islam4all site,sublimation is found in the Hindu scriptures beginning only from the Upanishads.But another Islamic site said that even while the Upanishads were being composed , human trafficking and slave trade were quite common.And according to a Western source,even the Mauryan Empire was involved in slavery and that was the reason why Chanakya in his Arthasastra was against enslavement of fellow Aryans but not of mlechhas of conquered territories. Now perhaps that was the norm in those times when there was no industrialisation as is the case for the whole world before industrialisation began.

Even after industrialisation,the Northern part of U.S which was industrialised was against slavery while the Southern part which depended on farm labour actively advocated slavery and both clashed in the civil war.

Now that industrialisation is causing global warming,one does foresee a not so bright future for mankind.
palli or halli in Dravidian languages means a village just like gaav in Aryan languages means a village.palli or halli in Aryan Mauryan Imperial era around 200 B.C designates a tribal hamlet.So many of those in South India are indeed descendants of tribals and are still keeping up that heritage.

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chuudu in Telugu = veekshinchu in Sanskritised Telugu = dekhnaa in Hindi = to see

vinu in Telugu = aalakinchu in Sanskritised Telugu = sunnaa in Hindi = to hear

maarpu in Telugu = parivartanam in Sanskritised Telugu = badlaav in Hindi = change

manninchu in Telugu = kshaminchu in Sanskritised Telugu = maaf karna in Hindustani = to forgive

ellalu in Telugu = sarihaddulu in Sanskritised Telugu = sarhad in Hindi = borders/border

nagalu in Telugu = aabharanaalu / aabhushanaalu in Sanskritised Telugu = gehne in Hindi = jewels
palli or halli in Dravidian languages means a village just like gaav in Aryan languages means a village.palli or halli in Aryan Mauryan Imperial era around 200 B.C designates a tribal hamlet.So many of those in South India are indeed descendants of tribals and are still keeping up that heritage.

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poddu podavatam in Telugu = suryodayam/ushodayam in Sanskritised Telugu = sunrise

poddu gunkadam in Telugu = suryaastamayam/sandhyaa samayam in Sanskritised Telugu = sunset

tellavaarujaamu/vekuva jaamu in Telugu = praatah kaalam/prabhaata samayam in Sanskritised Telugu = subah in Hindi = morning time

tobuttuvulu in Telugu = sodara sodareemanulu or sahodara sahodareemanulu in Sanskritised Telugu = brothers and sisters or those who were born along to the same father or mother

uyyaala in Telugu = doli in Hindi = an oscillating cradle.

Now word dolaayamaanam in Sanskritised Telugu is a cognate of this word doli in Hindi meaning not yet decided to which stable position and still oscillating.

Also the words for numbers in colloquial Telugu are completely different from those in Sanskritised Telugu and Hindi / Urdu.

These words are said to bear a resemblance to words of numbers in other South Indian languages.
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palli or halli in Dravidian languages means a village just like gaav in Aryan languages means a village.palli or halli in Aryan Mauryan Imperial era around 200 B.C designates a tribal hamlet.So many of those in South India are indeed descendants of tribals and are still keeping up that heritage.

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sri in Sanskritised Telugu , also found in Sarkari Hindi as Shri is an epithet of respect equivalent to sir in English.

So may be they are cognates.Also it means wealth and therefore was initially perhaps used only for those who got respect because of their wealth.

also poru in Telugu = ranam/aahavam/kadanam/yuddham in Sanskritised Telugu = jung in Hindi = war
palli or halli in Dravidian languages means a village just like gaav in Aryan languages means a village.palli or halli in Aryan Mauryan Imperial era around 200 B.C designates a tribal hamlet.So many of those in South India are indeed descendants of tribals and are still keeping up that heritage.

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Perhaps poru of Telugu is also a Vikruti form of word Pourudu in Sanskritised Telugu meaning citizen or a dweller of a city.Porodu and Pori of Telangana dialect Telugu also might have been derived from the same.

Puram in Sanskrit means city.

Perhaps the activity or duty of fighting assigned to a member of city to protect it is called Poru.

According to marduk,ever since mankind built cities,there always existed wars due to overpopulation and the demand for resources and the only thing that restrains wars as on today are the nukes.

Even cities of classical Greece made war with one another,carried booty both in material form and manual form.Similar had been the case in classical India,though laws were later formulated against human trafficking.

According to some in this forum,Muslims blazed down entire cities in India during wars.
palli or halli in Dravidian languages means a village just like gaav in Aryan languages means a village.palli or halli in Aryan Mauryan Imperial era around 200 B.C designates a tribal hamlet.So many of those in South India are indeed descendants of tribals and are still keeping up that heritage.

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nethuru in Telugu = rudhiram or raktam in Sanskrit = khoon in Hindi = blood

I do not know,but perhaps rudhiram means that which is red and rud in it might be a cognate of word red in English just as word Arya supposedly is a cognate of word Ire in Ireland.
palli or halli in Dravidian languages means a village just like gaav in Aryan languages means a village.palli or halli in Aryan Mauryan Imperial era around 200 B.C designates a tribal hamlet.So many of those in South India are indeed descendants of tribals and are still keeping up that heritage.

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Perhaps two more words which are cognates are kruuram in Sanskritised Telugu = cruel in English.
palli or halli in Dravidian languages means a village just like gaav in Aryan languages means a village.palli or halli in Aryan Mauryan Imperial era around 200 B.C designates a tribal hamlet.So many of those in South India are indeed descendants of tribals and are still keeping up that heritage.

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naadu in Telugu = bhuumi in Sanskritised Telugu = zameen in Hindi/Hindustani = land

bhuuswaamy in Sansritised Telugu = zameendaar in Hindi = landlord

tiru in Telugu = Sri in Sanskritised Telugu = epithet of sir in English.

tiru naallu in Telugu = pavitra dinaalu/utsava dinaalu in Sanskritised Telugu = holy days/holy day lands
palli or halli in Dravidian languages means a village just like gaav in Aryan languages means a village.palli or halli in Aryan Mauryan Imperial era around 200 B.C designates a tribal hamlet.So many of those in South India are indeed descendants of tribals and are still keeping up that heritage.

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telivainodu in Telugu = medhaavi in Sanskritised Telugu = akalvaan in Hindustani = intellectual.
palli or halli in Dravidian languages means a village just like gaav in Aryan languages means a village.palli or halli in Aryan Mauryan Imperial era around 200 B.C designates a tribal hamlet.So many of those in South India are indeed descendants of tribals and are still keeping up that heritage.

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irikinchu/chuttumuttu in Telugu = chakrabandham or ashtadigbandham in Sanskritised Telugu = fasaana in Hindi/Hindustani = to get someone into a tight position as part of strategy or surround them completely or encircle them thoroughly.
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palli or halli in Dravidian languages means a village just like gaav in Aryan languages means a village.palli or halli in Aryan Mauryan Imperial era around 200 B.C designates a tribal hamlet.So many of those in South India are indeed descendants of tribals and are still keeping up that heritage.

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tedaa in Telugu = vyatyaasam in Sanskritised Telugu = farakh in Hindustani = difference
mottangaa in Telugu = puurthigaa in Sanskritised Telugu = puuraa kaa puuraa in Hindi = totally.
teepi in Telugu = madhuram in Sansritised Telugu = madhur in Sarkari Hindi = meetha in Hindi = sweet
erupu in Telugu = arunima in Sanskritised Telugu = laal in Hindi = red color

Now ‘Aruna’ is a Hindu male charioteer god of the sun god's chariot , the sun god himself being known as Surya or Ravi or Ina or Bhaskara/Bhanu/Aditya/Mitra/Khaga/Diwakara/Dinakara. During dawn ,the sun appears red and that is taken as the visibility of the charioteer god of the sun.Also in addition to Aruna being the dawn or charioteer god,there exists Usha ,the goddess of dawn,just as Sandhya,the goddess of dusk.

However according to the Hittites,another group of the now extinct Indo-European speakers , Arinna is the sun goddess.

Aruna and Arinna are the cognate words perhaps originating from word red.

Now the Hittites are listed as just one of the seven tribes of Canaan that are to be ethnically cleansed from the promised land in the Bible per diktats from God himself.

However Hittites continued even later as had been evidenced in case of Uriah ,the Hittite commander whom the famous Biblical king David killed by sending in the first battle lines so that he can permanently take the beautiful Bathsheba , his wife for himself.

Even though Hittites are just listed in being just one of the seven tribes of Canaan,archaeological evidence suggests that they were a powerful nation which was spread across Anatolia or modern day Turkey unto some other parts of the Middle East.

Their power almost equaled that of Egypt, the most powerful kingdom Semitic kingdom of those periods in antiquity.So Hittites were no obsure nation and the Bible does not mention them as being a powerful nation.Their power was such that after wars with Egypt,both of them signed no-war treaties.
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palli or halli in Dravidian languages means a village just like gaav in Aryan languages means a village.palli or halli in Aryan Mauryan Imperial era around 200 B.C designates a tribal hamlet.So many of those in South India are indeed descendants of tribals and are still keeping up that heritage.

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