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Re: People who came up with hinduism vedas

PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 12:49 am
by Fernando
Nosuperstition wrote:I vaguely remember having read somewhere that Dravidian languages are to be found not just in India and Pakistan but in some regions of Iran as well.
Ah, you're still with us then, NS. Good - I hope all is well with you.

Re: People who came up with hinduism vedas

PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:58 am
by Nosuperstition
Fernando wrote:
Nosuperstition wrote:In my 6th standard ,they mentioned in the social studies book that Aryans are originally from Germany.Now as I was educated in an English medium,I have observed quite a lot of words of Indic languages match with English words,not surprising since English is a Germanic language imposed on the Celts and Celto-Romans.
As I mentioned elsewhere, I'm no linguist, but AFAIK all European languages have an "Indo-European" origin. Again, it's too late for researching it but I'm pretty sure the Interwebs will have some nice diagrams about it.


I am too no linguist,but have got a little apprehension about the use of word 'loan word' to suggest that some word of another language family had been borrowed and that does not belong to the original linguistic family.For examply dwaram is supposedly a Sanskrit loan word borrowed by Telugu,a Dravidian language meaning door.The Telugu word of day to day usage for door is talupu.

But then path also seems to be a borrowed word from Graeco Roman languages into English and the word of day to day usage meaning the same is 'way'.But English is still considered part of Indo-European languages while Telugu going by the same standard is catergorised as a Dravidian language.So how exactly are languages categorised into different linguistic groups?

Re: People who came up with hinduism vedas

PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 5:14 am
by Nosuperstition
tala in Telugu= loan word siram/sirassu/sikham in Sanskritised Telugu= sir in Hindi= head

chevi in Telugu=loan word karnam from Sanskritised Telugu=word kaan in Hindi=ear

muukku in Telugu=loan word naasika in Sanskritised Telugu=word naak in Hindi=nose

cheyyi in Telugu=loan word hastam in Sanskritised Telugu=word haath in Hindi=hand

kaalu in Telugu=loan word paadam in Sanskritised Telugu=word paav in Hindi=feet

goru in Telugu= loan word nakham in Sanksritised Telugu.=nails

ningi/minnu in Telugu=loan word aakaasam/gaganam in Sanskritised Telugu=word aakaash or gagan or aasmaan in Hindi/Hindustani=sky

nela in Telugu=loan word bhuumi/dharani in Sanskritised Telugu=word zameen in Hindi/Hindustani=land

neeru in Telugu=loan word jalam/toyam/udakam in Sanskritised Telugu=word pani in Hindi=water

nippu in Telugu=loan word agni/analam in Sanskritised Telugu=aag in Hindi=fire/that which is ignited

gali in Telugu=loan word vayu/anilam/pavanam in Sanskritised Telugu=hawa in Hindi=air

tindi in Telugu=loan word aahaaram in Sanskritised Telugu=aahaar in sarkari Hindi=khana in Hindustani=food

kadupu in Telugu = udaram in Sanskritised Telugu =potta in Vikruti Telugu = pet in Hindi = stomach

batta in Telugu=loan word vastram in Sanskritised Telugu=vastr in sarkari Hindi=kapda in colloquial Hindi/Hindustani=cloth

illu in Telugu=loan word gruham in Sanskritised Telugu=gruh in sarkari Hindi=ghar/makaan in colloquial Hindi/Hindustani=house

pannu in Telugu=loan word dantam in Sanskritised Telugu=daanth in sarkari Hindi/Hindustani=teeth or one with which the dentist is related.

modata in Telugu=loan word aarambham in Sansritised Telugu=aarambh in sarkari Hindi=shuruaath in Hindustani=the beginning

chivara in Telugu=loan word antam in Sanskritised Telugu=anth in sarkari Hindi=ending

puttuka in Telugu=loan word jananam in Sanskritised Telugu=janm in sarkari Hindi=paidaa in Hindi/Hindustani=birth

chaavu in Telugu=loan word maranam or mrutyuvu in Sanskritised Telugu=mauth in Hindi or Hindustani=death

panchadara in Telugu=chakkera in Telugu=shakkar in Hindi/Hindustani/Arabic=sugar

netturu in Telugu=raktam/rudhiram in Sanskritised Telugu=khoon in Hindustani=blood.

puttadi/bangaru/pasidi/kanakam in Telugu=swarnam or kanchanam or suvarnam or kundanam or hiranyam in Sanskritised Telugu=sona in Hindi=gold

velugu in Telugu=kaanti in Sanskritised Telugu=roshni in Hindustani=light

cheekati in Telugu=andhakaaram in Sanskritised Telugu=andhera in Hindi=darkness

otami in Telugu=paraajayam in Sanskritised Telugu=haar in Hindi/Hindustani=defeat

gelupu in Telugu=vijayam in Sanskritised Telugu=jeet in Hindi/Hindustani=victory.

The above mentioned Telugu words are colloquial while Sanskritised Telugu words appear in literary traditions.

Re: People who came up with hinduism vedas

PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 8:35 am
by Nosuperstition
One more famous word with which many of the Westerners are familiar is 'karma'.Its Telugu word is pani and Hindi word is kaam and it means work.karamulu in Sanskritised Telugu means hands and perhaps that which is done with hands came to be known as karma.This word is related to Hindi/Hindustani word karna or to do.

Re: People who came up with hinduism vedas

PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 8:43 am
by Nosuperstition
paalu in Telugu=ksheeram in Sanskritised Telugu=doodh in Hindi/Hindustani=milk

chettu in Telugu=vruksham in Sanskritised Telugu=vriksh in Sarkari Hindi=ped in Hindi/Hindustani

putta in Telugu=vaalmeekam in Sanskritised Telugu=anthill

enugu in Telugu=haathi in Hindi=elephant=gajam in Sanskritised Telugu

vetuku in Telugu=sodhinchu in Sanskritised Telugu=doondnaa in Hindi/Hindustani=searching

dabbu/rokkam in Telugu=dhanam in Sanskritised Telugu=dhan in sarkari Hindi=paise in Hindi/Hindustani=money.

kota in Sanskritised Telugu=durgam or that which is impregnable in Sanskritised Telugu=durg in sarkari Hindi=ghad in Hindi=khillaa in Urdu/Hindustani=fort

durgam is the combination of two simple words namely dus+gam or that which is difficult to go or impregnable.gam is similar to go in English and jaana in Hindu/Hindustani.

In the medieval Hindu kingdoms forts had the temples of all powerful mother goddess within their ramparts and that is how goddess Durga came into being.

jaali in Telugu=daya or karuna in Sanskritised Telugu=compassion / taking pity

One can use google to know the corresponding Sanskrit words in cases where I have not provided any.

Re: People who came up with hinduism vedas

PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:47 am
by Nosuperstition
Vedas simply mean those things which are known. Vedat in Russian means the same.gnan in Sanskrit means knowledge or that which is known.k is parusha or tough pronounciation letter per Sanskrit and g is a sarala or easy pronounciation letter per Sanskrit grammar.

Re: People who came up with hinduism vedas

PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:06 am
by Nosuperstition
A complex Sanskrit phrase used in Telugu is anubhavaikavedyam or that which is known by your own personal experience.Word vedyam in this word is used to mean known much similar to Vedas.

Re: People who came up with hinduism vedas

PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 3:41 pm
by Nosuperstition
another complex word from Sanskrit often used in Telugu is jagadvitam=jagat+viditam meaning known to the whole world.Viditam here is also of the same root of vedyam/vedat meaning known.

Re: People who came up with hinduism vedas

PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 9:30 am
by manfred
iffo I understand is from India, so he would not need such detailed info on language.

Re: People who came up with hinduism vedas

PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 1:10 pm
by Nosuperstition
manfred wrote:iffo I understand is from India, so he would not need such detailed info on language.


iffo is not from India.He is either from Pakistan or from some other Western country.He showed a picture of fierce Hindu goddess Kali and found fault with her for looking so ugly with so many hands and a garland of skulls.What else can you expect from a fierce warrior goddess out to execute criminals?He also said that people of West are having sex like animals out on streets and that people of this forum like to dupe the non-informant ones that they do not have 5 to 6 partners before settling down with one.He said that having been to a Western country he is quite capable of finding out that they are lying between their teeth.

Re: People who came up with hinduism vedas

PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:22 pm
by manfred
From what I remember he posted before, and I may be wrong, he said that his family moved to Pakistan at the time of the partition. But he can speak for himself anyway.

Pakistan or from some other Western country


Pakistan may be geographically west of most of India, but I am surprised you say it is a western country.

people of West are having sex like animals out on streets


I once found a "couple" in the room I was meant to use for a lecture ... I went 30 minutes early to set up the power-point slides.... I said "Don't mind me..." but they did and ran like hell.

I have not seen anyone doing on the streets as you suggest, in all the time in London... (parks in the dark, maybe, I heard rumours...)

It is true that almost everyone getting married in this country will have had one or more sexual partners before. LOL, if you go to a school, most kids older that 14 had a boyfriend or girlfriend. Sometimes these flings are very short lived, and the followed the embarrassment that you have to be in the same class with our "ex" and and everybody not only knows that your "went out" together, but many also the tiniest details of the encounter. Worst of all, some even record it on their phones and show it to their mates as a "trophy". We even had court cases where such recordings were posted on porn sites as a "revenge".

So sure, sexuality here is somewhat different than in many Muslim countries. All such nonsense still goes on there, but it is a lot more secretive. Nor is this restricted to "Western countries". The far east is not much different.

I tell you want we don't have... executions for adultery.

And the "promiscuity" of women does not mean they cannot say no. Such a no must always mean no. Many people from Muslim countries cannot understand that part.

What is the point of lying about it?

Re: People who came up with hinduism vedas

PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2018 5:26 pm
by Nosuperstition
I tell you want we don't have... executions for adultery.


Someone in this forum,a non-muslim rationalist from the West said that honor killings of Pakistani origin men in U.K or some other Western country is not the fault of Islam,but rather precedes Islam as if pointing out the finger at Hinduism.

Then I was reminded of how one young pair who had pre-marital sex who did not get killed when I was in that college between 1999-2003 even though almost the whole class and beyond know about what had happened.

Sure while playing Maximus Decimus Meridius,commander of the armies of the North,general of the Felix legions in the film,the Gladiator,Russel Crowe speaks about "strength and honor" of pagan Romans while fighting in the arena.However tolerance will also be the outcome of the way things are interpreted.

For example if kids are to be expected to be like dogs to their parents and behave with unflinching loyalty for the sake of safeguarding their honor just like every person is to be unflinchingly loyal towards Allah/Elohim/Yahweh etc,then yes they are to be killed for transgressions.

Else just like the words of Manusmriti say 'rinaanubandha ruupena pasu patni sutaalaya' or the bonds of wives,children and pet animals are all due to the debt relationships we have incurred with them in our present as well as their previous births.Once the debt is paid off,the bonds will break free.This sort of interpretation with an inculcated sense of detachment does not give much scope for honor killing.

Also the liberal trends that one observes in present day West are the result of shortage of men due to losses in WW II and existence of surplus women,situation akin to what had been described in the Bhagavad Gita.Now since it had been more than 60 years ,trends even in the West seem to be shifting towards conservatism.

Upward mobility which was the result of left wing movements that sprung in the aftermath of WW II,will not be visible to a greater extent in such a scenario.Even though Professor Kondandaram who spearheaded the Telangana movement once did mention that Aryans came to India from outside and even though Brahmins,the so called remnant pure blood of white Aryans in the subcontinent are in general fair skinned,I have read in other history text books that people of other vocations did become Brahmins. That perhaps explains the existence of black persons in the Hindu priesthood.

I think that in situations of wars when muslims massacred en masse whole Hindu civilian populations including Brahmins in numbers of hundreds of thousands,there would have been a greater chance for non-Brahmins with not so much Aryan blood for moving up the social ladder.Otherwise in a conservative society,their mobility would have been severely limited/restricted.Honor killing or killing for adultery is also one such means of ensuring that the existing systems remain in tact.

Re: People who came up with hinduism vedas

PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:51 pm
by manfred
Yes, honour killings were once found in all sorts of places, including China and Japan, and ancient Rome too. While this has long gone, the practice is still very much alive in Islam. While there is no direct command for these in the Qur'an, there are many examples of the things that prepare mind fore honour killings, most notable the idea of a woman being property. When a woman, even unmarried, has an "affair" then this diminishes her "worth" in selling in marriage. A Muslim wedding often is little more than a trade contract.

If it is one of the cultural things that is established in India, at a bare minimum we can say the Islam has done nothing at all to pot a stop to it.

Re: People who came up with hinduism vedas

PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 3:23 am
by Nosuperstition
What is the point of lying about it?


Western women of this forum said that they only have one or two boyfriends before marriage. iffo said that having lived for long in a Western country,he knows that they have as many as 4 to 5 or 5 to 6 boyfriends before settling down with one and that they are fooling the non-informant forummers.

Re: People who came up with hinduism vedas

PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 4:33 am
by Nosuperstition
chepa in Telugu=matsyam or meenam in Sanskritised Telugu=machili in Hindi=fish

vala in Telugu=jaalam in Sanskritised Telugu=net

kadali in Telugu=samudram/sagaram in Sanskritised Telugu=samandar/sagar in Hindi=ocean

talli/amma in Telugu=matru muurthy in Sanskritised Telugu=maa in Hindi=mother

tandri/naanna in Telugu=pitru deva in Sanskritised Telugu=baap in Hindi=father

anna in Telugu=jyeshta sodarudu in Sanskritised Telugu=bada bhayyaa in Hindi=elder brother

koduku in Telugu=putrudu in Sanskritised Telugu=beta in Hindi=son

kuuturu in Telugu=putrika in Sanskritised Telugu=beti in Hindi=daughter

tammudu in Telugu=chota bhaiya in Hindi=younger brother.

kannu in Telugu=nayanam or aksham or lochanam or chakshuvu or netram in Sanskritised Telugu=aankh in Hindi=eye

Re: People who came up with hinduism vedas

PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 5:23 am
by manfred
Nosuperstition wrote:
What is the point of lying about it?


Western women of this forum said that they only have one or two boyfriends before marriage. iffo said that having lived for long in a Western country,he knows that they have as many as 4 to 5 or 5 to 6 boyfriends before settling down with one and that they are fooling the non-informant forummers.


Not everybody is the same.

Re: People who came up with hinduism vedas

PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 4:41 pm
by Nosuperstition
santa in Telugu=bajaaru in Urduised Telugu=baazaar in Hindi/Hindustani/Arabic=market

rythu in Telugu=ryot in Urdu=karshakudu in Sanskritised Telugu=kisaan in Hindi=farmer.

naaluka in Telugu=jihva in Sanskritised Telugu=tongue.

mancham in Telugu=talpam in Sanskritised Telugu=bed

paga in Telugu=kaksha/prateekaaram in Sanskritised Telugu=badla in Hindi=revenge

appu in Telugu=rinam in Sanskritised Telugu=karz in Hindi/Hindustani=loan

vaddi in Telugu=suud in Hindi= interest.

addam in Telugu=darpanam in Sanskritised Telugu=mirror.

palle in Telugu=gramam in Sansritised Telugu=gaav in Hindi=village

Re: People who came up with hinduism vedas

PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 6:32 pm
by manfred
NS I don't understand the posts of endless random words in various languages.

You should have quite a few things to say about the topic, as would Skynightnlaze. I would be great to to have more discussion/info on the topic.

Re: People who came up with hinduism vedas

PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2018 2:32 am
by Nosuperstition
manfred wrote:NS I don't understand the posts of endless random words in various languages.

You should have quite a few things to say about the topic, as would Skynightnlaze. I would be great to to have more discussion/info on the topic.


Some say that linguistic paleontology that establishes Sanskrit as an Indo-European Aryan language and South Indian languages as Dravidan languages is a pseudo-science.Perhaps my random words can give some clue as to how different words of different languages came into being from their original words and whether or not linguistic paleontology is indeed a pseudo-science or not.

Re: People who came up with hinduism vedas

PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2018 1:54 pm
by Nosuperstition
talapu in Telugu=yochana/alochana a in Sanskritised Telugu=soch in Hindustani=thought
gudi/kovela in Telugu=aalayam or mandiram in Sanskritised Telugu=mandir in Hindi=Hindu temple
badi in Telugu = paathasaala in Sanskritised Telugu = paatshaala in Hindi = school
aaku in Telugu=parnam/patram in Sanskritised Telugu=patta in Hindi=leaf
juttu in Telugu=kesamulu or sirojamulu in Sanskritised Telugu=baal /kesh in Hindi=head hair
baanisa in Telugu=dasudu in Sanskritised Telugu=gulaam in Hindustani/Arabic=slave
bandi in Telugu=vaahanam in Sansritised Telugu=gaadi in Hindustani=vehicle
raayi in Telugu= paashaanam in Sansritised Telugu=patthar in Hindustani=stone
vedava in Telugu=muurkhudu in Sanskritised Telugu=muurakh/bewakoof in Hindi/Hindustani=fool
puli in Telugu=saardoolam in Sanskritised Telugu=sher in Hindustani=tiger

Now I postulate a thumb rule for identifying possibly pure indigenous Telugu words.

Let A=sarkari Hindi words,
B=Hindi words which are cognates of Sanskrit words,
C=Vikruti words of Prakruti Sanskrit words.
D=words which are cognates of Urdu words such as rythu or farmer and chakkera or sugar.
F=Sanskritised Telugu words

If E be all the word of Telugu,then if 'I' denotes pure indigenous or native un-Aryan words of Telugu
then

I=E-(A+B+C+D+F).
I may be corrected if I am wrong