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Re: People who came up with hinduism vedas

PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2018 9:43 am
by manfred
To make the point that religious texts are written in response to challenges.

Re: People who came up with hinduism vedas

PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2018 11:58 am
by SAM
manfred wrote:To make the point that religious texts are written in response to challenges.

And you deleted my post when I made a bad point of Christianity.

Re: People who came up with hinduism vedas

PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2018 12:22 pm
by manfred
You generally make bad points SAM. As I told you before, you have other threads you can beat your hobby horses in, this one has nothing to do with Christianity.... And as you were told many times, neither racist comments nor abuse is allowed. Your deflection off the topic was indulged for several posts, and it is time to get back to were we were.

and where is NS?

Re: People who came up with hinduism vedas

PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2018 1:46 pm
by Nosuperstition
As I had pointed out earlier it is the criterion which defines who created Hinduism.Historians have opined that Siva is a Dravidian god as his name does not appear in the Vedas and as his symbol of phallus is referred to in disparaging terms in the Vedas of the Aryans.Also this opinion is based on Indus Valley seals that show a yogi seated in between animals and as Shiva is also known as Pasupatinath or lord of animals.However phallus metamorphed into something else from the point of view of Puranas i.e into a pillar of fire with no alpha and no beta and no gama or got redefined as aruuparuupam or formless form and Siva continues to be worshipped still by assuming that fierce god of storms described by Vedas as Rudra is another name for Siva.So if phallic worship and non-Vedic forms of worship still in vogue are taken into account,then Hinduism predates the arrival of Aryans else if Sanskrit or Prakrit use alone is taken as the criterion,then it Hinduism is but an Aryan innovation.

Re: People who came up with hinduism vedas

PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2018 1:44 pm
by Nosuperstition
viewtopic.php?f=55&t=17893&hilit=Deeper+meanings

Somewhere in 2000 or 2001,there appeared a piece of info in the children's monthly of Chandamama. Until then I used to take the religious fairy tales at face value.Quoting one story of God Siva as having left Kasi after many of its inhabitants turned away from him and then returning to the same city after the inhabitants turn back to him , they said that these religious stories which they publish should not be taken at face value.Rather that story had to be interpreted this way.The city of Kasi or Varanasi,the foremost of the Hindu holy cities was once a strong hold of Shaivic sect of Hinduism.However with the rise of Buddhism,most of its residents turned Buddhist.That was interpreted as Siva as having left that city.However just some centuries before Islamic invasions,the city was once again teeming with adherents of Shaivism. Reason could be due the rulers perceiving veggie advocating Buddhism as being incompetent to take on Muslims who are sturdy due to their excess consumption of meat.Whatever this renewed/revived phenomenon supposedly was described as Siva once again returning to the city.

Due to a bit of memory loss,I continued to take those stories at face value even afterwards until I came across the famous sentence by Edison about the compulsion of eating fish created by an all Merciful God.

Perhaps the editors of that fairy tales books of children had an understanding that religious stories must not be taken at face value after having met religious seers in times of extreme adversity.So might be the religious seers can explain how exactly to understand the Hindu scriptures from the point of view of deeper meanings and guesswork and not at face value.

Re: People who came up with hinduism vedas

PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2018 2:16 am
by iffo
I think hinduism's roots are very old , older than what prople think which is 3000 bc .
I think it is from ice age, which is 10000 or 9000 bc. There has been resesrch where temples been found under sea near Srilanka. That portion of land once was above sea but after ice age in great flood that part went under sea.

Re: People who came up with hinduism vedas

PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2018 4:14 am
by Nosuperstition
iffo wrote:I think hinduism's roots are very old , older than what prople think which is 3000 bc .
I think it is from ice age, which is 10000 or 9000 bc. There has been resesrch where temples been found under sea near Srilanka. That portion of land once was above sea but after ice age in great flood that part went under sea.


How can we be sure that it only due to great flood that coastal areas got submerged under the sea.Could also be due to tectonic shifts that were the results of earthquakes.

Re: People who came up with hinduism vedas

PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2018 5:31 am
by Nosuperstition
Perhaps if someone retrieves some archaeological remains of those submerged temples by means of under water exploration and then they are subject to C14 dating,then one may know the exact time period to which they belong.

Re: People who came up with hinduism vedas

PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2018 12:52 pm
by Nosuperstition
All temples of North India have their own distinct architecture that is different from that of temples of South India.So how exactly do those underwater temples look like near Sri Lanka?Submerged remains of once prosperous port city of Nagapattanam have also been discovered near the coast of Tamil Nadu.How do the temples of this city appear.Also submerged remains of Dwarka in Gujarat have been discovered.How do the temples of that city appear.If they appear Dravidian,then one can safely assume that those cities were once Dravidian indeed as would have been the case of the Indus Valley civilisation before an invasion by Aryan aliens changed the language and architecture of the older Dravidian one by force in North and forced those who refused to the South.

Re: People who came up with hinduism vedas

PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2018 1:13 pm
by Migara
iffo wrote:I think hinduism's roots are very old , older than what prople think which is 3000 bc .
I think it is from ice age, which is 10000 or 9000 bc. There has been resesrch where temples been found under sea near Srilanka. That portion of land once was above sea but after ice age in great flood that part went under sea.
Wow I am from Sri Lanka and I never heard we have such archeological sites. :D

Re: People who came up with hinduism vedas

PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2018 2:58 pm
by Nosuperstition
Migara wrote:
iffo wrote:I think hinduism's roots are very old , older than what prople think which is 3000 bc .
I think it is from ice age, which is 10000 or 9000 bc. There has been resesrch where temples been found under sea near Srilanka. That portion of land once was above sea but after ice age in great flood that part went under sea.
Wow I am from Sri Lanka and I never heard we have such archeological sites. :D


Your language the Sinhalese is something perhaps imposed upon local tribes of Sri Lanka by Indo-European language speaking settlers from Orissa. You people however look much closer to lower caste Dravidians of South India than the Aryans of higher castes in North India.

Re: People who came up with hinduism vedas

PostPosted: Sun Nov 25, 2018 12:23 am
by Fernando
Migara wrote:
iffo wrote:I think hinduism's roots are very old , older than what prople think which is 3000 bc .
I think it is from ice age, which is 10000 or 9000 bc. There has been resesrch where temples been found under sea near Srilanka. That portion of land once was above sea but after ice age in great flood that part went under sea.
Wow I am from Sri Lanka and I never heard we have such archeological sites. :D
Only guessing, but ISTR a submerged land mass has recently been discovered between Sri Lanka and the Indian mainland. But I could be mistaken - too late to be checking tonight.

Re: People who came up with hinduism vedas

PostPosted: Sun Nov 25, 2018 4:20 am
by Nosuperstition
Fernando wrote:
Migara wrote:
iffo wrote:I think hinduism's roots are very old , older than what prople think which is 3000 bc .
I think it is from ice age, which is 10000 or 9000 bc. There has been resesrch where temples been found under sea near Srilanka. That portion of land once was above sea but after ice age in great flood that part went under sea.
Wow I am from Sri Lanka and I never heard we have such archeological sites. :D
Only guessing, but ISTR a submerged land mass has recently been discovered between Sri Lanka and the Indian mainland. But I could be mistaken - too late to be checking tonight.


Yes I too had thought along the same lines.

Re: People who came up with hinduism vedas

PostPosted: Sun Nov 25, 2018 4:26 am
by Nosuperstition
In my 6th standard ,they mentioned in the social studies book that Aryans are originally from Germany.Now as I was educated in an English medium,I have observed quite a lot of words of Indic languages match with English words,not surprising since English is a Germanic language imposed on the Celts and Celto-Romans.However STEAM of the old forum said that linguistic paleontology is a pseudo science.Now the Sanskrit word for wall is Kuudyam. However when the commoners could not pronounce it ,it became goda.So one cannot say for sure how many words of day to day usage that appear radically different from Sanskrit are actually Vikrutis of Prakruti words of Sansrit and can be sourced from the same.

Re: People who came up with hinduism vedas

PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 5:04 pm
by Nosuperstition
Ekam or one in Sanskrit does not seem to have a corresponding cognate in English.

Dvi has duo,Tri has Three,Sapta has Septa,Ashta has Oct,Dasa has Deca are some of the examples of cognates.

Navya has New,Krita has create,tat has that,tvam has thou,Aham has I am,mama also has I am or my,asi has is,Sarpa has Serpent,bhara has bear/put up ,matru has mother ,pitru having father are some more examples of cognates.

I still have seen many more words which have resembled some more English words,just do not remember them all right now.So the two are surely related.However is this evidence sufficient enough for proclaiming the validity of white Aryan Invasion theory?I do not think so.Much more needs to be unearthed to establish the truth.

Re: People who came up with hinduism vedas

PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 5:10 pm
by Nosuperstition
janana related to birth in Sanskrit is also the same as pronounciation of 'g' in gene.Similarly word Sweta in Sanskrit has white as its cognate in English.Agni in Sanskrit is same as ignite in English.Antar/Antas in Sanskrit is same as inter in English.Gnan in Sanskrit is same as that which is known in English.

maryaada in Sanskrit means respect.Its antonym is a+maryaada=amaryaada which means disrespect.
Much similar to a+symmetry = antonym of symmetry i.e asymmetry.

adhikaarika in Sansrit means authorised or official.anadhikaarika=an+ adhikaarika means unofficial/unauthorised.

So prefixes 'a' and 'un'/'an' in both Sanskrit and English added before some words render antonyms of their original words.

Re: People who came up with hinduism vedas

PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2018 12:25 am
by Fernando
Nosuperstition wrote:In my 6th standard ,they mentioned in the social studies book that Aryans are originally from Germany.Now as I was educated in an English medium,I have observed quite a lot of words of Indic languages match with English words,not surprising since English is a Germanic language imposed on the Celts and Celto-Romans.
As I mentioned elsewhere, I'm no linguist, but AFAIK all European languages have an "Indo-European" origin. Again, it's too late for researching it but I'm pretty sure the Interwebs will have some nice diagrams about it.

Re: People who came up with hinduism vedas

PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2018 3:48 am
by iffo
What i understand Aryans were people from Afghanistan. They added some new things to hinduism and wrote vedas in their language Sanskrit. Before that hinduism was all oral . Started the cast system. But hinduism keept on evolving. Current hinduism is quite different from whats in vedas. Ancient hindus used to eat cow but later they stopped eating.

In accient times before the ice age 10000 bc original people of india were hindus. They always been dark . Then after the ice age and great flood 9000-8500 bc persians migrated to india 3000 bc and mixed with locals then 3000 bc Aryans moved and mixed with locals at indus valley and north india and statred a new gruop north indians. Thats why these guys are fair color compared to south . Then people of north mingled with people from south , so all is a mixture now. Totally original indians with no mixing still living in few small islands to south of india . They are like people living in Amazon jungle, cut off from rest of the world .

Re: People who came up with hinduism vedas

PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2018 2:49 pm
by Nosuperstition
iffo wrote:What i understand Aryans were people from Afghanistan. They added some new things to hinduism and wrote vedas in their language Sanskrit. Before that hinduism was all oral . Started the cast system. But hinduism keept on evolving. Current hinduism is quite different from whats in vedas. Ancient hindus used to eat cow but later they stopped eating.

In accient times before the ice age 10000 bc original people of india were hindus. They always been dark . Then after the ice age and great flood 9000-8500 bc persians migrated to india 3000 bc and mixed with locals then 3000 bc Aryans moved and mixed with locals at indus valley and north india and statred a new gruop north indians. Thats why these guys are fair color compared to south . Then people of north mingled with people from south , so all is a mixture now. Totally original indians with no mixing still living in few small islands to south of india . They are like people living in Amazon jungle, cut off from rest of the world .


No one knows the exact original location of the Aryans.Various regions are postulated as their original home.Some said that it is the Arctic,others say it is the Urals,some others say it is Persia or Iran,some say it is Central Asia,other point out to Kurgan ,so on and so forth.

Indus valley civilisation that supposedly preceded the arrival of Aryans had a pictoral or hieroglyphic script much akin to what the ancient Pharoahs of Egypt used and much similar to the present day Chinese letters that are written from top to bottom rather than from left to right as happens in Sanskrit and Latin or from right to left as it happens in Arabic and Urdu.It is yet to be deciphered.Since much of that civilisation now lies in the land of Pakistan,greater are the chances of protecting a Rosetta stone of that civilisation as and when it is unearthed.Now just like the Spaniards eradicated and burnt the Aztec libraries to erase their collective memory and then linguistically turned the rest of population into speaking Spanish,perhaps Aryans also linguistically Aryanised their defeated non-Aryan subjects.

Some more similar words between Sanskrit and English are patham or path and Dwaram or door.

An ousider cannot tell the difference but a subcontinental will in most cases be able to separate the Northern facial features from those of the Southerner and an upper caste ones from the lower caste.

And yes totally Negrito population of India survives not anywhere else on the mainland and exists only in the Andaman and Nicobar islands.

Re: People who came up with hinduism vedas

PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2018 3:04 pm
by Nosuperstition
I vaguely remember having read somewhere that Dravidian languages are to be found not just in India and Pakistan but in some regions of Iran as well.