People who came up with hinduism vedas

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A few days after I had penned down the previous comments of this thread,an article came up in the Sunday edition of the Telugu newspaper Saakshi which said that the ratio of indigenous Koya tribe words to that of the sum of direct Sanskrit words and words derived as colloquial ones from Sanskrit in Telugu is 20:80 and that ratio in case of Kannada is 80:20.It said that in Tamil the ratio is different somewhat like 30:70 or 70:30.

Whatever be the ratio,many of my friends who have gone to Karnataka or Tamil Nadu for studies quite easily understood those languages and even spoke them fluently.This only means that colloquial words are more or less similar in all ,only what you call granthika words or bookish words have more Sanskrit words.
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palli or halli in Dravidian languages means a village just like gaav in Aryan languages means a village.palli or halli in Aryan Mauryan Imperial era around 200 B.C designates a tribal hamlet.So many of those in South India are indeed descendants of tribals and are still keeping up that heritage.

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So the so called non-Aryan/Dravidian words are nothing but indigenous Koya tribe words of South India if that theory is to be believed. Adi Sankaracharya,famous Hindu theologian of antiquity also called himself a 'Dravida Sisu' or a Dravidian offspring not Aryan one.However word Dravida is once again a Sanskrit one indicating the region of subcontinent that is in the Southern direction.Similar is the case with the word 'Sisu'
palli or halli in Dravidian languages means a village just like gaav in Aryan languages means a village.palli or halli in Aryan Mauryan Imperial era around 200 B.C designates a tribal hamlet.So many of those in South India are indeed descendants of tribals and are still keeping up that heritage.

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Perhaps when word mandarin came in one my school lessons named the seventh Mandarin,I searched for its origins in the Comprehensive Oxford English dictionary.Surprisingly its origins were Sanskrit even though there might not have existed that many Sanskrit words in official Chinese mandarin language as the one Chinese Emperor clearly stated that Buddhism of India is but only of two wings of the Chinese religion,the other wing being native Confucianism.

According to the Oxford dictionary,the origin of the Chinese word 'mandarin' is word 'mantrin' of Sanskrit,meaning a minister.This makes perfect sense when one considers the fact that letters 't' and 'd' are interchangeable even in Indian languages with Sanskrit loan words,one being a parusha(a tough sound) and the other being a sarala(an easy sound) per Sanskrit grammar.The accent of such educated ones gradually got metamorphed into the mandarin Chinese.

Now when I compared words mantra,mantraangam and mantrin or mantri,I came up with a little guesswork or thesis which might or might not be true.Interchanging of mantri and mantrin is much akin to interchanging of words rajan or raja both meaning a king in Sanskrit.

Word mantra which is used by many in the Western academic circles as of today to mean a catch word or idea to be infused into others by repetition originally meant a religious chant.Now there is a saying in Telugu "mantraalaku chintakaayalu raalavu" which means that the Tamarind seeds won't fall off automatically from trees just because you chant some incantations.This is to basically say that both those events are completely unrelated.So the priestly class which has a lot of leisure time would have soon realised through logic that these incantations are of no use as they cannot stand the scientific test of blind repeats.Religion afterall started off as bad science.The gospel authors were wary of this aspect hence they came up with words "Thou shall not put to test the lord your God" or something akin to it in the New Testament of the Graeco-Roman World even though there is a lot of mumbo jumbo supporting bad science in the Old Testament.

So they might have turned into mantris or ministers who advised the kings or using mantraangam or formulating strategy of governance for the kings based on universal laws.That is how the state and the clergy got wedded and remained so up until the 1960s when the concept of secularism/sickularism gained popularity to avert religious strife with uniform nations due to most religions still upholding cultic tendencies.
palli or halli in Dravidian languages means a village just like gaav in Aryan languages means a village.palli or halli in Aryan Mauryan Imperial era around 200 B.C designates a tribal hamlet.So many of those in South India are indeed descendants of tribals and are still keeping up that heritage.

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One may ask how is halli in Kannada = palli in Telugu and Tamil and Malayalam

Simple.Both words huvvu in Kannada and puvvu in Telugu have originated from the same Sanksrit word pushpam meaning a flower.

So substituting the same in case of halli and palli yields identical results with the same meaning.
palli or halli in Dravidian languages means a village just like gaav in Aryan languages means a village.palli or halli in Aryan Mauryan Imperial era around 200 B.C designates a tribal hamlet.So many of those in South India are indeed descendants of tribals and are still keeping up that heritage.

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