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ygalg wrote:
SAM wrote:You think the Quran is like the Torah written by Elohim on tablets of stone. :yuk:
thank you for admitting it is a man-made work, not by an imaginary friend in the sky. I don't think that. I'm pretty convinced all religious textbooks, from all religions, are man-made. do you follow?
I think this was about the time SAM vanished from another thread. Maybe you've finally tipped him over the edge, Ygalg. :ohmy:
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SAM wrote:Your Bible today is famous throughout the world that is corrupted and not a divine book. :lol:

Catholics believe that Mary is alive (spiritually), not dead, and is the presence of God.

“Hail Mary full of grace, blessed are thou among women and blessed is the fruit of your womb Jesus, Holy Mary mother of God, pray for us sinners now and in eternity. Amen.”

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You shift the conversation because you have no palatable answer to frankie's simple question.

As I said before. Your religion (if you are a true Muslim) is 3rd in the historical pecking order. As a johnny-come-late religion, neither you nor any Muslim is in any position to comment - let alone decide about the authenticity of the HB & NT.

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Fernando wrote:
ygalg wrote:
SAM wrote:You think the Quran is like the Torah written by Elohim on tablets of stone. :yuk:
thank you for admitting it is a man-made work, not by an imaginary friend in the sky. I don't think that. I'm pretty convinced all religious textbooks, from all religions, are man-made. do you follow?
I think this was about the time SAM vanished from another thread. Maybe you've finally tipped him over the edge, Ygalg. :ohmy:
could be :clueless:
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@SAM
yagalg has a raised a valid point. Allah knows everything so why he will or is asking dumb questions to Jesus wasting his time, when he already knows the answer

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iffo wrote:@SAM
yagalg has a raised a valid point. Allah knows everything so why he will or is asking dumb questions to Jesus wasting his time, when he already knows the answer
it's not even suitable to claim it was Allah's test. I encountered in the past Muslims who used that excuse.

for it to be a test, Jesus should have been actually guilty of it. for Allah to test whatever he will admit to it or not.

it is kind of the biblical story where God testing Adam and Eve whether they admit for a sin they've committed.

although it seems this scenario is more plausible to accept. (scenario is suitable for humans). nonetheless is equally ridiculous for a god knows beforehand the consequences. the test therefore pointless.
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There is another interesting but in that verse you mention:

The word for "in myself" or "the self" is also often rendered as "the soul". Arberry, and many other translate like this:
And when God said, 'O Jesus son of Mary, didst thou say unto men, "Take me and my mother as gods, apart from God"?' He said, 'To Thee be glory! It is not mine to say what I have no right to. If I indeed said it, Thou knowest it, knowing what is within my soul, and I know not what is within Thy soul; Thou knowest the things unseen
So Allah has a "self/mind/soul", Isa says.

This is very curious...
Elsewhere is the Qu'an we read:
Every soul shall have a taste of death:
(Qur'an 3:185)

The word for "soul" here is identical to the word "soul" (or mind/self) in your verse.

So....

1) Allah has a soul.
2) All souls taste death
Conclusion: Allah is mortal.
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1) Allah has a soul.
2) All souls taste death
Conclusion: Allah is mortal.
It can also mean that Allah can incarnate as a living being,taste death and then once again return to his realm.
palli or halli in Dravidian languages means a village just like gaav in Aryan languages means a village.palli or halli in Aryan Mauryan Imperial era around 200 B.C designates a tribal hamlet.So many of those in South India are indeed descendants of tribals and are still keeping up that heritage.

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Where does the Qur'an suggest that "having a soul" is a condition for an incarnation?
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manfred wrote:Where does the Qur'an suggest that "having a soul" is a condition for an incarnation?
For a man to taste sugar,he needs a tongue.For a soul to taste death,it needs a body.Everything needn't be present in the Quran.When my Christian teacher in my class XI remarked that angles are like souls and trigonometric functions are like bodies,I retorted slightly by saying that angles can exist even without those functions.He then said souls can exist even without bodies,and told us that when a friend of his said he did not trust God as he is not able to see him,he asked him to show that he has a mind.Perhaps unable to cope with this nutcase,his friend said that yes,yes what you said is true and your religion and your God seem to be the true ones.
palli or halli in Dravidian languages means a village just like gaav in Aryan languages means a village.palli or halli in Aryan Mauryan Imperial era around 200 B.C designates a tribal hamlet.So many of those in South India are indeed descendants of tribals and are still keeping up that heritage.

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As usual you are obfuscating and defending Islam.

It really is very simply

The Qur'an says Allah has a "soul" and it also says that EVERY SOUL must taste death. So we must conclude Allah must taste death.

That is the point I made, based on simple logic.

Instead of processing that simple step, we get anecdotes about a teacher teaching trigonometry, very badly. So, when asked "what is the length of a in cm, to 2 d.p." you talk about souls and bodies...
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