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A question for the muslims. How many gods are there?

PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 1:13 pm
by sum
Would any muslim tell me how many gods they believe exist?

sum

Re: A question for the muslims. How many gods are there?

PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 2:12 pm
by Garudaman
of course one

Re: A question for the muslims. How many gods are there?

PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 4:05 pm
by sum
Hello Garudaman

If there is only one god then you are saying that the Christian God and Allah are one and the same. Is this correct?

sum

Re: A question for the muslims. How many gods are there?

PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 8:36 pm
by Garudaman
yes, the figure/person is same, the difference is in description/depiction.

Re: A question for the muslims. How many gods are there?

PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 10:32 pm
by sum
Hello Garudaman

I claim that the guidance of the Christian God and Allah are as different as they possibly could be. Do you agree and why do you think that this is so if they are the same god?

Christianity is based on love while Islam is based on hatred and enmity. Which do you think is better for mankind?

sum

Re: A question for the muslims. How many gods are there?

PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2018 4:38 am
by Garudaman
sum wrote:why do you think that this is so if they are the same god?

because God there's only one, & God judge person based on his/her own capacity : viewtopic.php?f=22&t=14704&p=194459#p194459 (so whoever worship God in wrong depiction will be counted as worship God in true depiction if he/she's indeed/really not intelligent enough for know the true depiction of God)

sum wrote:Islam is based on hatred and enmity

thats been debunked on your other thread : viewtopic.php?f=22&t=18223#p238423

Re: A question for the muslims. How many gods are there?

PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2018 10:43 am
by sum
Hello Garudaman

Your quote -
sum wrote:
Islam is based on hatred and enmity
Garudaman
thats been debunked on your other thread : viewtopic.php?f=22&t=18223#p238423

Debunked? Nonsense.

The rest of your last post does not come close to answering the question of why this one god delivers two totally different sets of guidance. They are so different that they can not come from one god and so one god must be true and one god false.

Please tell me why you believe the Islamic god to be true and not the Christian god. Although I am an atheist I totally support the Christian theme of being based on the Golden Rule rather than the Islamic guidance based on hatred, enmity and warfare. Why do you choose the latter?

sum

Re: A question for the muslims. How many gods are there?

PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2018 10:45 am
by Garudaman
sum wrote:Hello Garudaman

Your quote -
sum wrote:
Islam is based on hatred and enmity
Garudaman
thats been debunked on your other thread : viewtopic.php?f=22&t=18223#p238423

Debunked? Nonsense.

The rest of your last post does not come close to answering the question of why this one god delivers two totally different sets of guidance.

QS. 5:48. Had Allah willed, He would have made you one society [in one religion], but [He intended] to test you in what He has given you; so race to [all that is] good.

to test humans with the difference & the race/competition of does good/proves what's right between each other.

sum wrote:They are so different that they can not come from one god and so one god must be true and one god false.

even with only one scripture, due to the difference of humans intelligence, it will become "different scriptures" anyway.

sum wrote:Please tell me why you believe the Islamic god to be true and not the Christian god.

because Christianity have wrong teaching like Luke 6:37 dont judge to punish the criminal.

sum wrote:Although I am an atheist I totally support the Christian theme of being based on the Golden Rule rather than the Islamic guidance based on hatred, enmity and warfare. Why do you choose the latter?

thats wrong question, as Islam is based on, do good to others as God has done good to you : viewtopic.php?f=22&t=18223#p238423

Re: A question for the muslims. How many gods are there?

PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2018 12:34 pm
by manfred
Garudaman, there is only one queen of England. That does not mean though, that someone cannot dress up like the Queen and say "I am the Queen!", right?

If there is only one God, and the god of Islam on one hand and the God of Christianity and Judaism on the other are fundamentally different from each other, then you must conclude one or the the other is a FAKE. (or, if you are an atheist, you conclude BOTH are fakes)

Re: A question for the muslims. How many gods are there?

PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2018 12:56 pm
by Garudaman
manfred wrote:If there is only one God, and the god of Islam on one hand and the God of Christianity and Judaism on the other are fundamentally different from each other, then you must conclude one or the the other is a FAKE. (or, if you are an atheist, you conclude BOTH are fakes)

thats only true in case God doesnt count human based on his/her capacity.

Re: A question for the muslims. How many gods are there?

PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2018 3:10 pm
by manfred
So you agree that either the CONCEPT of God in Islam or in Christianity must be entirely false, as they contradict each other.

Re: A question for the muslims. How many gods are there?

PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2018 9:37 pm
by Fernando
Garudaman wrote:yes, the figure/person is same, the difference is in description/depiction.
And is this figure/person also the same as the Greeks' Zeus?

Re: A question for the muslims. How many gods are there?

PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2018 10:13 pm
by Garudaman
manfred wrote:So you agree that either the CONCEPT of God in Islam or in Christianity must be entirely false, as they contradict each other.

of course

Re: A question for the muslims. How many gods are there?

PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2018 5:50 pm
by sum
Hello Garudaman

Your quote -
even with only one scripture, due to the difference of humans intelligence, it will become "different scriptures" anyway.

This is absolute nonsense. The scripture from one god will remain the same! If Allah was as good as his word and made his guidance clear then there would be no ambiguity and everyone would have guidance that they all agree upon.

Please do not bring up this "test" excuse to excuse Allah`s failings - it is as clear as the nose on your face that this is Muhammad`s way of covering both his own and his creation`s - Allah`s - errors. We can see them but Allah and Muhammad could not. What a failure.

The scriptures are what is written down in both the New Testament and the Koran. They are totally different and you have not yet explained how one god can produce this disparity. Either the New Testament is false or the Koran.

To the non-brainwashed it is more than clear that the false scripture is the Koran.

sum

Re: A question for the muslims. How many gods are there?

PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 10:58 am
by Garudaman
sum wrote:Hello Garudaman

Your quote -
even with only one scripture, due to the difference of humans intelligence, it will become "different scriptures" anyway.

This is absolute nonsense. The scripture from one god will remain the same!

"different scriptures" = different interpretation

sum wrote:If Allah was as good as his word and made his guidance clear then there would be no ambiguity and everyone would have guidance that they all agree upon.

well QS. 5:48 said He can but He didnt want.

sum wrote:Please do not bring up this "test" excuse to excuse Allah`s failings - it is as clear as the nose on your face that this is Muhammad`s way of covering both his own and his creation`s - Allah`s - errors. We can see them but Allah and Muhammad could not. What a failure.

fail is if you do thing & then dont succeed, that is fail, its not fail if that thing isnt what you do.

Re: A question for the muslims. How many gods are there?

PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 3:02 pm
by Fernando
Garudaman, you haven't told us: is Allah the same as Zeus?

Re: A question for the muslims. How many gods are there?

PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 3:39 pm
by sum
Hello Garudaman

Your quote -
"different scriptures" = different interpretation

This is more of your nonsense. The written word is the scripture. The written words of the New Testament and the Koran are totally different and have nothing to do with interpretation.

Stop running away and tell us how one god can give two totally different messages.

Your quote -
sum wrote:
If Allah was as good as his word and made his guidance clear then there would be no ambiguity and everyone would have guidance that they all agree upon.

Garudaman
well QS. 5:48 said He can but He didnt want.

If Allah didn`t want to give clear advice as part of a test then how would muslims know what was the correct way? Is Allah being stupid and just playing silly buggers? Do you really accept that this is the way that a true god behaves? Final guidance should be concise and crystal clear so that everyone knows the right path and without any doubts. Muhammad, who created the Koran, must have hoped and expected that his contemporaries were gullible enough to accept his nonsense. It looks like Muhammad was correct and muslims to this day swallow these ludicrous explanations.

sum

Re: A question for the muslims. How many gods are there?

PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 12:41 am
by Garudaman
sum wrote:The written words of the New Testament and the Koran are totally different and have nothing to do with interpretation

yeah but even with one scripture, the problem will still not go away, due to the differences of interpretation.

sum wrote:If Allah didnt want to give clear advice as part of a test then how would muslims know what was the correct way?

by their intention to follow what they know (based on their knowledge) as the correct way, as God/Allah counted humans based on their capacity.

Re: A question for the muslims. How many gods are there?

PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:15 am
by sum
Hello Garudaman

You really are trying to defend the indefensible.

Your quote -
yeah but even with one scripture, the problem will still not go away, due to the differences of interpretation.

If Allah`s Koran was as clear as it claims to be then there should be no problem with interpretation. Was Allah wrong to say that the Koran was clear? Are you trying to say that the interpretations of both the New Testament and the Koran could possibly overlap to the point that they agree with one another?

Are there any differences between the New Testament and the Koran and which contradict each other?

Your quote -
by their intention to follow what they know (based on their knowledge) as the correct way, as God/Allah counted humans based on their capacity.

At this time their knowledge was that of Judaism, Christianity and Paganism. Would their intentions based on this pre-Islam religious period be acceptable to Allah as this was their knowledge?

sum

Re: A question for the muslims. How many gods are there?

PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2018 3:24 pm
by sum
Hello Garudaman

Where are you? So far, you have completely failed to convince anyone that the God of the New Testament is the same as the god of the Koran. Their guidance is so dissimilar that one has to be false. One claims that the sun sets in a muddy pool and that is sufficient for me to realise and without any doubt that the Koran is not a product of any deity.

Can you explain why a god would make such a ludicrous mistake and why you still support Allah when he is fallible?

sum