Re: Polytheism and monotheism
Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 11:25 am
CuteCoot wrote:All I'm saying is that "The Abaser" = Allah and "The Exalter" = Allah but "The Abaser" ≠ "The Exalter". I.e. two facets are Allah but are not equal or equivalent.Aksel Ankersen wrote:Christian Trinity has an important difference, in that Jesus = God, YHWH = God, Holy Spirit = God but Jesus ≠ YHWH ≠ Holy Spirit. I.e. three people are God but those three people are not each other.
Facets are frequently represented by faces as in the classical two-faced Janus. I don't accept that the three "persons" of the Christian trinity are people like you and me. They are clearly faces or facets of deity. In the strict monotheism of Islam it is highly sinful to conceive of - let alone publicly suggest that there might be - an essential multiplicity within God's unity. Giving God many names is the nearest Muslims came to acknowledging the truth of "the other side".The many names of Allah cannot be different people, but just different ways of looking at the same being, facets if you like.
I agree with most of that, but with reservations about the Trinity - possibly a moot point as neither of us are Christians.
CuteCoot wrote:Sorry, but your point that Allah is As-Samad made no sense to me, probably because Arabic generally doesn't.See Sura Ikhlas:
Oh, well as-Samad means "the eternal" and is one of the 99 names you mentioned.
Allah is As-Samad and they are nowise distinct entities.
Compre this to Jesus on the cross, calling out to his Father.
Cute Coot wrote:Of course the two names represent opposites. Hot and cold are opposites but if you put icy cold hands in luke warm water it feels hot. If it's a hot day the same water will feel cool and refreshing when poured over your head. Because the same thing is hot here and cold there doesn't alter the quality of oppositeness of hot and cold. And if you notice carefully how people - even devout people - talk about God/Allah, you will see that He is constantly being judged. So God is both "Judge" and "Judged". I'm talking reality here, not pretense or wishful thinking.No real contradiction here, Allah is partisan in his favors, he abases some and exalts others. Hence another name for Allah is al-Hakim, i.e. "The Judge".
What gave you the impression that devout Muslims judge Allah or for that matter devout Christians judge Jesus/God?