What would you know??? Have you tried the simlest tool of them all? its called Meditation.
Oh gee, I guess me being a godless a-hole and all, I've *never* meditated before.
That's not a tool to get closer to the 'divine.' It's a really great thing, and it does help the brain a lot, but that only proves that people tried some things that felt good until they found something that worked for them. Then they tacked on the spiritual aspect.
Read my posting from the manu smirti. The first 10 lines. Hindus dont define god to a " Limited Finite" being.
When did I ever say you did? My point was that definitions of the supernatural *always* include 'that which cannot be measured or quantified, directly or indirectly.' Which puts it in the same category of imagination. That there are many people who believe it only speaks to the social nature of human beings.
Not good enough. You suffer, therefore you are.and so forth all beings in the cycle of life. You thoughts are not important to the extent until you say " I think, therefore I am". I am least interested on your personal thoughts.
Uh... yeah 'good enough.' You don't need to tack on 'suffering' or rebirth; we are because we cogitate. If we don't work through this axiom, ALL information is suspect, at best. That was my point- that without 'cogito ergo sum,' there's no point to knowing about anything, because it all could just be fake.
What is pointless to your small unimportant meaningless existence is a great quest of spiritualists.
Uh huh. There have been thousands of 'answers.' Each contradictory, each with its own roughly equivalent proofs. If one was actually true, there would be no contest. That there is no clear 'winner' speaks volumes for the 'truthfulness'
Hindu sages seek to answer these questions in the most acceptable manner.I would suggest you to start reading the ancient vedic texts. Perhaps your world view would spell a small change.
I would be surprised if it did. It, like all religious texts, is speculation sans evidence- beyond personal experience, which, being non-repeatable (generally), highly subjective and prone to human error, doesn't exactly weigh heavily on my mind as 'evidence.'
That said, there's a lot of amazing stuff in there anyway. Only in the 'it's fun to think about' category, though. Like the works of Charles Fort or something like that.
Study buddhism. It addresses suffering perfectly.
Have. Got two volumes of the Pali Canon. Love it. I actually consider myself a bit of a materialist Buddhist, if you can imagine that.
Your idea of penis and vagina is superficial. The thoughts and makings of a perfect mohammedan. Where if you dont procreate, allah will punish you in his eternal oven.
Ouch. Look- my point was that it's MORE than that, that at this point, the ONLY requirement is that the genitalia be working. And I REALLY disagree with that; that was my point. We need some sort of way to weed out the breeding people who lack foresight, that's all I'm saying. And no, I don't mean eugenics or anything like that. Just some tests. Like DMV-level tests.
Science is limited to its own category. Spirituality and mysticism is a completely different ballgame. Dont make the fundamental mistake of including science into the equation. Spiritualists do not use your scientific findings in their equations. They dont have the time to do so.
AARRGH!!! Look: If spiritual people want to have empirical-minded people accept their 'findings,' they need to have the same amount of rigor as empiricists do. Otherwise, we just keep running in circles:
Empiricist: "Show me a supernatural being."
Spiritualist: "I can't, it's beyond our universe."
E: "But everything we know is in the universe. How can that be."
S: "Because I *know* it's true! Don't bring your science into this!"
E: "How do you know that you're not beginning from false assumptions, or that you're not in error when it comes to what you believe?"
S: "Because I know."
If you want to stop talking in circles, get out of the circle. If there's nothing outside the universe beyond what can be measured (even if it hasn't been yet) then maybe, just maybe, spirituality is a collection of best guesses and assumptions about how the world 'really is.'