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Jewish Atheist's Day of Atonement

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Jewish Atheist's Day of Atonement

Postby ygalg » Wed Oct 12, 2016 6:00 pm

Request for forgiveness by Yaron Yadan head of Orr Party
Here I am, standing before you asking for forgiveness
Here I am an atheist.
I want to confess before you for my perverse, racist and patronizing believe for 17 years, as yeshiva student, newlywed and head of community.
For sinned by preferring god over human.
For sinned by my arrogance and disdainfulness.
For sinned by discrimination and humiliation.
For sinned by intolerance.
For sinned by hating the foreigner.
For sinned by oppressing a living being.
For all those I am sorry and express deep regret.
Process turning heart, maturation, sobriety and opening of one's eyes following with deep long period mental procedures Not an easy for a human to lose a handiwork; pattern of the work of his hands
All the more so hard to understand creation you created is not of the master pieces of creations. In the end to acknowledge that light of torah, candle of virtue and shine of faith, are not but darkness, fog and gloom – naivety blend within viciousness and cruelty.
Voyage of my maturity I went through – acceptance of reality and nature, making peace with them – gave me strength to expel the god in my heart. No more fiction, no more false fantasy; no more throwing responsibility upon unknown; but straight gaze into my heart, without god; the observance at nature without fear and awe; without the entity I have fabricate.

https://www.facebook.com/yaron.yadan/po ... 5913496953
“a true believer as a person so fanatically committed to a cause that no amount of reality can make him abandon it” Eric Hoffer
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Re: Jewish Atheist's Day of Atonement

Postby Hombre » Wed Oct 12, 2016 6:22 pm

Or (Hebrew: אור‎‎, lit. Light) is a political party in Israel. It describes itself as centrist and advocating the principles of humanism, freedom and equality. The primary ideology of the party focuses on the separation of religion and state.

The party received 815 votes (0.02%) in the 2009 election; in the 2013 election the party received 1,027 votes (0.03%), and in the 2015 election it received 503 votes (0.01%). It has never won seats in the Knesset.


With only 500 members, it is more of a neighborhood group, then a political party. Nonetheless, interesting essay.
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Re: Jewish Atheist's Day of Atonement

Postby ygalg » Wed Oct 12, 2016 9:21 pm

Hombre wrote:Or (Hebrew: אור‎‎, lit. Light) is a political party in Israel. It describes itself as centrist and advocating the principles of humanism, freedom and equality. The primary ideology of the party focuses on the separation of religion and state.

The party received 815 votes (0.02%) in the 2009 election; in the 2013 election the party received 1,027 votes (0.03%), and in the 2015 election it received 503 votes (0.01%). It has never won seats in the Knesset.


With only 500 members, it is more of a neighborhood group, then a political party. Nonetheless, interesting essay.

yes, it is unfortunate. I hope next election will be resulted in party's favor. currently israel heads toward a dim future.
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Re: Jewish Atheist's Day of Atonement

Postby Fernando » Wed Oct 12, 2016 10:58 pm

In most countries, all small parties are at a terrific disadvantage if they have a single main message: if only because they have no experts or experience in the other big things of politics. In the UK, UKIP was an exception because it unearthed massive problems and galvanised more than half the population. A UK atheist party would get nowhere, despite a similar proportion of the population being non-religious, because most people just couldn't care less as long as religion doesn't bite them. That the beast's fangs are working their way through the cloth of their trousers' behind hasn't yet dawned on them: they're still looking at the toothless dog in front that they shook off years ago.
‘Hindus and Muslims belong to two different religious philosophies, social customs and literary traditions. They neither intermarry nor eat together, and indeed they belong to two different civilisations which are based mainly on conflicting ideas and conceptions.’ Muhammad Ali Jinnah
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Re: Jewish Atheist's Day of Atonement

Postby Hombre » Fri Oct 14, 2016 12:53 am

are you kidding me. Witth only 8.2M people, Israel has 15 parties with members in the 120 seat Knesset. And more then "2500" too small to have reps there.

Here is the list. (Just read their name with my translations in parenthesis).

Other parties
The following parties do not have Knesset seats at present:

Ahrayut (Responsibilities)
Ale Yarok (Green Leaf)
Brit Olam (Eternal covenants)
Da'am Workers Party, Organization for Democratic Action
Dor (Generation)
Eretz Hadasha (New Country)
Green Movement
Yachad (Together)
HaYisraelim (The Israelis)
Holocaust Survivors and Grown-Up Green Leaf Party
Kadima (held seats from 2005 to 2015) (Forward) Party of late Ariel Sharon.
Koah HaKesef (Power of Money)
Koah LeHashpi'a (Power to influence)
Lazuz (To Move)
Leader
Lehem (Bread)
Lev LaOlim (Soul of immigrants)
Man's Rights in the Family Party
Meimad (held seats between 1999 and 2009) (Dimensions)
Or (Light)
Otzma Yehudit (held seats between 2012 and 2013) (Jewish Power)
Sons of the New Testament
The Greens
Tzabar (Born in Israel)
Tzomet (held seats between 1987 and 1999) (Intersection)
U'Bizchutan— founded in 2015 as an Orthodox Jewish women's party [48] (With their right)
Yisrael Hazaka (Strong Israel)
Yisrael HaMithadeshet ( Israel renewal)

The only two parties yet to be formed. "The Humus" & "The Falafel" Parties.

The irony is, with all these parties, In Knesset they enact law and reach consensus faster then the two Parties in US congress.
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Re: Jewish Atheist's Day of Atonement

Postby Nosuperstition » Thu Oct 20, 2016 5:01 pm

It is said that the Atheists amongst Jews are the highest for any religious community world wide.

Worse, it could be said that the Jews as a nation had incurred genocidal karma by the genocide which their ancestors committed on the Canaanites.


More fundamentally, we should outgrow this childish (and in this case, downright embarrassing) view of karma as a matter of reward and punishment. Does the killer of a million people return a million times as a murder victim to suffer the full measure of his deserved punishment?


http://koenraadelst.bharatvani.org/articles/irin/genocide.html

I could not understand what was wrong with the above view of karma when I first came upon those lines.I didn't even get it when yeezevee said that those Hindu religious stories are meant only for children(who can be easily frightened with the bogeyman/bogeymen of either Satan and/or demons).Now only after having read at secular humanism site some 6 months or 1 year back that excessive religiosity makes Abrahamic religionists completely childish for the rest of their life and only after understanding what actually transpired in trying to wipe out an entire people named Jews was I able to understand the import of the above statement.

If one goes by archaeology and not the O.T,the Hebrews themselves have evolved from the brone age Canaanites and there simply was no genocide of the Canaanites.So even in that scenario,Jews did not deserve the intended genocide which along with their centuries of persecution turned many of them into atheists.And atheists in general do not atone.So I am still unable to understand what is meant by Atheist's day of atonement.
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Re: Jewish Atheist's Day of Atonement

Postby Fernando » Thu Oct 20, 2016 6:16 pm

Never mind the karma, feel the persecution. These Jews will be persecuted twice by the Islamists - once for their ethnicity and again for their atheism.
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Jewish Atheists Day of Atonement

Postby AlexmenCorn » Sat Nov 05, 2016 6:50 pm

b. why do those societies with the most atheists seem no better than comparable more religious societies: Sexism in Japan, Domestic Violence in Russia, Human Rights in China...?
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Re: Jewish Atheists Day of Atonement

Postby Fernando » Sat Nov 05, 2016 8:07 pm

AlexmenCorn wrote:b. why do those societies with the most atheists seem no better than comparable more religious societies: Sexism in Japan, Domestic Violence in Russia, Human Rights in China...?
Why do those societies with the most religion seem no better than comparable more atheist societies?
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