ohammad said vs Jesus said

[ronyvo]

MOHAMMAD SAID:

“I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them. It is not ye who slew them; it was God.” Surah 8:13-17.
“Fight against those who believe not in Allah nor the last day nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and his messenger and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth among the people of the scripture, until they pay jiziah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.” Surah 9:29
“Fight them, until there is no persecution and the religion is God’s” Surah 193
“O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors. They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them is on of them.” Surah 5:51 & 3:28
“Kill the mushrikeen (polytheists, Christians and non-Muslims), wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush”. Surah 9:5
“O you who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are close to you, and let them find harshness in you; and know that Allah is with those who are believers.” Surah 9:123
“And fight them until there is no more fitnah (disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah) and (all and every king of) worship is for Allah (alone).” Surah 2:193
“Verily, Allah has purchased of the believers their lives and their properties for (the price) that theirs shall be the paradise. They fight in Allah cause, so they kill (others) and are killed. It is a promise in truth which is binding on Him in the Torah and the Gospel and the Koran.” Surah 9:111
“And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him” Surah 3:85
“O prophet, urge the believers to fight.” Surah 8:65
“The recompense of those who wage war against Allah and his messenger and do mischief in the land is only that they shall be killed or crucified or their hands and their feet be cut off from opposite sides, or be exiled from the land. That is their disgrace in this world and a great torment is theirs in the hereafter.” Surah 5:33
“Therefore, when ye meet the unbelievers (in fight-Jihad in Allah’s cause) those who disbelieve, smite (their) necks till when you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly (on them). Thus you are ordered by Allah to continue in carrying out Jihad against the unbelievers till they embrace Islam.” Surah 47:4

Mohammad said (Hadith):
“Whoever changes his Islamic religion, kill him.” 9:57
“The best deed for the Muslim next to believing in Allah and his apostle, is to participate in Jihad and Allah’s cause.” 1:25
”No Muslim should be killed for killing a kafir (infidel.” 9:50
“Bad omen is in the woman, the house and the horse.” 7:30
“After me I have not left any affliction more harmful to men than women”. 7:33

“O who you believe! Ask not about things which, if made plain to you, may cause you trouble. But if you ask about them while the Qur’an is being revealed, they will be made plain to you. Allah has forgiven that, and Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most forbearing.” 5:101
“Before you, a community asked such questions, then on that account they became disbelievers” 5:102

I have been accused of bigotry and hate towards Muslims.
As I said many times I do not hate Muslims or any one, I despise Islam for what it teaches.
As a proof, I cited surahs (verses) from the Koran. I did NOT add one word of mine, and NO translation of mine.
LET THE READERS BEWARE.

JESUS SAID:

“you shall love your Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul and with all your mind.. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like it ‘You shall love your neighbor as your self. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets,” Mt22:37-40
“A new commandment I give you, that you love one another; as I loved you , that you also love one another, by this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for on another, John 13:34-35
“If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word, and My Father will love him, and We will come into him and make Our home with him.” John 14:23
“These things I command you, that you love one another.” John 15-17
“You have heard that it was said to those of old, you shall not murder, and whoever murders will be in danger of judgment, but I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment “. Mt. 5:21-22
“Furthermore, it has been said, whoever divorces his wife let him give a certificate of divorce. But I say to you that whoever divorces his wife for any reason except sexual immorality causes her to commit adultery.” Mt 5:31-32
“You have heard that it was said, you shall love your neighbor and hate you enemy; but I say to you ‘love you enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those spitefully use you and persecute you.” Mt 5:43-44

“Love never fails.” 1 Cor 13:8
“For I have come not to call the righteous, but the sinners.” Mt. 9:13
“with all lowliness and gentleness, with longsuffering, bearing one another in love.” Eph 4:2
“Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her.” Eph 5:25

“For the love of money is the root of all kinds of evil.” 1 Tm 6:10
“Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal.” Mt 6:8

“Peace I leave with you, My peace I give to you , not as the world gives I give to you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.” John 14:27

[Nosuperstition]

‘You shall love your neighbor as your self

Jesus also said that he who doesn't take care of his family is worse than the pagan individual.Now how contempt get along hand in glove with love of such neighbours boggles me.Hence all religions are just bogus.They are all basically illusionary in nature.Atleast that is what you can deduce by considering those books and writings as inspired by God/gods or goddesses or whatever.

[manfred]

Jesus also said that he who doesn't take care of his family is worse than the pagan individual.

Please provide evidence that Jesus said this.

Now how contempt get along hand in glove with love of such neighbours boggles me.

The statement merely implies some "pagans" sometimes have higher standards than some Christians. So there is no "contempt". In fact, it is a comment on the hypocrisy of "looking down on pagans" while at the same time being no better or even worse.

Hence all religions are just bogus.

This suggests that the previous statements prove or at least are evidence for the next. As both of those statements are simply false, they prove nothing at all.

It is also incredible that so say that whatever one religion says proves a different one to be "bogus".

In general, atheists really present more coherent stuff than that.

[Nosuperstition]

The statement merely implies some "pagans" sometimes have higher standards than some Christians. So there is no "contempt". In fact, it is a comment on the hypocrisy of "looking down on pagans" while at the same time being no better or even worse.

Showing your other cheek etc is also a euphemism of insulting pagans.Just continue reading after those lines provided by ronyvo and you will know it ends somewhat as 'by doing so you will have heaped hot charcoals on your enemies'.Now heaping such charcoals is akin to heaping insults on them.If such contempt can be had for the pagans/other enemies of those Christians,when you say you are worse than the pagans,you become much more contemptuous.

Yes you might resort to other versus such as judge not lest ye be judged,but then this verse falls flat due to the fact that only the one taking proper care of his family will have disdain for fella Christians who in his view are verse than the pagans.Hence he has every right to judge the other person.So may be one has to resort to other verses such as 'hate the sin,not the sinner',forgive your brother of same faithhood not 7 times,not 77 times but 777 times and therefore disdain or hate will be eradicated and only pure love exists.But which verse is to be given preference or assigned more priority over which,is there any standard set and if so on what basis.Same questions hold equally true for other religions in case of contradictions.

[manfred]

Your response is barely understandable babble. Again:

The letters to Timothy which contain the comment you object to, were not written by Jesus, but possibly by Paul, or more likely, as the general view is today, they are have an unknown author of a later date.

They offer a glimpse into the value systems of early Christian groups and into the beginnings of the early Christian organisation, and are not a cooking recipe for all lives ever after.

Yes you might resort to other versus such as judge not lest ye be judged,but then this verse falls flat due to the fact that only the one taking proper care of his family will have disdain for fella Christians who in his view are verse than the pagans.Hence he has every right to judge the other person.

This is barely comprehensible nonsense.

a) A Christian does not either have a responsibility to family or to other people, but both. Should people send money to support victims in Syria while allowing their elderly parents to suffer from hunger? Ideally people should help both, but if there is not enough, perhaps his own family comes first, as there are generally no others who will take care of them, and there are many who help general causes.

b) Here is what the letter to Timothy says:

But if anyone does not provide for his own, and especially for those of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.

(Timothy 5:8)

The writer simply says those who will not help those in his family even should not call themselves "Christian" as being a hypocrite is a denial of faith. Jesus did not say that himself, nor is it claimed that he did, but clearly the writer was thinking of specific issues in the little community Timothy was looking after.

The chapter starts by talking about widows, and them moves to how a community should be run. It certainly is not some "pagan bashing" passage you like it to be. Here is the whole section:

1Do not sharply rebuke an older man, but rather appeal to him as a father, to the younger men as brothers, 2the older women as mothers, and the younger women as sisters, in all purity.

3Honor widows who are widows indeed; 4but if any widow has children or grandchildren, they must first learn to practice piety in regard to their own family and to make some return to their parents; for this is acceptable in the sight of God. 5Now she who is a widow indeed and who has been left alone, has fixed her hope on God and continues in entreaties and prayers night and day. 6But she who gives herself to wanton pleasure is dead even while she lives. 7Prescribe these things as well, so that they may be above reproach. 8But if anyone does not provide for his own, and especially for those of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.

After this part, the writer moves to organisational matters and to "offices" in the community.

the one taking proper care of his family will have disdain for fella Christians who in his view are verse than the pagans.

I cannot believe you read such complete nonsense into such a simple statement. It simply says nothing of the sort. So, according to you, if you look after your disabled brother or elderly widow you have "disdain" for "falla Christians" all of whom are "verse than pagans". Please switch on brain before engaging fingers on key board. And who is "his"??? Jesus did not even write that letter.

But which verse is to be given preference or assigned more priority over which,is there any standard set and if so on what basis.

Christianity is not fundamentalist, on the whole. The dilemma you speak of simply does not arise in Christianity, nor, for example, in Buddhism, Sikhism or most of Judaism. This is what you do: you study things in their proper context and you work out an overall picture which will be of use to people alive today. This is what you don't do as Christians: pluck verses from here and there like iffo and and try to make them say what you want.

Same questions hold equally true for other religions in case of contradictions.

That question does not arise in most religions, as most religions are not fundamentalist. It does arise most prominently in Islam, where the solution is the doctrine of abrogation, as spelled out in the Qur'an itself.

And, by the way, a QUESTION neither "holds true" or not, it is merely soliciting a response. A STATEMENT can be be true or false.

[Nosuperstition]

“you shall love your Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul and with all your mind.. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like it ‘You shall love your neighbor as your self. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets,” Mt22:37-40

St. Cyril then said that Christ commanded us to pray for our enemies and to do good to them. However, he affirmed that a Christian could show no greater love than to lay down his [or her] life for a friend. This is why we endure offenses caused by individuals, but in company we defend one another. We give our lives in battle to prevent the enemy from making our neighbors prisoners and enslaving their bodies and souls by forcing them to renounce their faith.

viewtopic.php?f=22&t=16150&p=212193&hilit=Algernon#p212193

Whosoever Will Lose His Life for My Sake Shall Find It

https://www.lds.org/bible-videos/videos/whosoever-will-lose-his-life-for-my-sake-shall-find-it?lang=eng

So no wonder there will be people willing to get martyred so that the promise of eternal afterlife will be fulfilled.Now since even so called Christian women committed suicide to escape the clutches of muslims and thus gave up their life and thus prevented bearing and raising of a future generation of brainwashed muslim children in the harem who will turn out to be future enemies trying to turn away lives of other Christians of the society who live and die for Christ's sake and salvation offered by him,will they also get everlasting heaven or would they be condemned to become evil ghosts etc for the severe sin of committing suicide as is generally believed?