Religion and damaging of brain

[iffo]

This woman is highly educated, westernized lady is prime example of how religion damages your brain. How it damages the brain that you try to cheat yourself and are ok with it.
In her own imaginary world Islam is very modern and that it approves homosexuality as well. It is sad how people desparately try to cling to their religion even if they have to lie to themselves/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTIZezQEZcQ

[manfred]

This clip does not relate to your sweeping statement at all. It shows a seemingly secular Muslim woman pointing out the virgin/raisin issue, which was also discussed frequently on this forum. As according to you anyone mentioning it is brain damaged, pretty much everybody here must be, including any atheist members.

In her own imaginary world Islam is very modern and that it approves homosexuality as well.

There is nothing in that clip suggesting any of that at all, not even a hint.

This is you putting words into her mouth. She neither mentions any of her personal beliefs nor any Muslim teaching in that context. All she does is to point out the Syriac issue in relation to the virgins and the grapes.

It is sad how people desparately try to cling to their religion even if they have to lie to themselves/

Yes iffo, it is, and that is what you are doing. You are forever telling other people what they believe, instead of listening to them, and then you use your own words about them to confirm your own ideas.

Look, have your religion, even if you are the only one, why not. But stop trying to prove yourself right by altering what other people say.

[Chiclets]

All brain damaged people are religious, but not all religious people are brain damaged, anyways look at this muthafucka, definitely brain damaged ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Gtbgah9j0Q

[manfred]

All brain damaged people are religious, but not all religious people are brain damaged.

Now, let me see. As you make a statement starting with "ALL" one single example of a non-religious person with brain damage disproves that.

So here we go:

Step one:
Professor Stephen Hawkings does not hold any strong beliefs at all, and he has stated he is an atheist.

http://www.jpost.com/Not-Just-News/Step ... ist-376505

Step two:

Professor Stephen Hawkings suffers from a disease that causes progressive brain damage, and this disease in its its advanced stages.

http://www.alsa.org/about-als/what-is-als.html

Claim

All brain damaged people are religious.

Reply: well here is one person clearly refuting that theory. As only one counter-example is needed to refute a statement starting with "all", this idea cannot be right.


I do however know what you mean: there are some religious people who will not allow logic, simple facts, or study or common sense to act as a check on their beliefs. Therefore it is difficult or impossible to discuss things with them.

We also have people who think all people with religions are like that, when in fact they are not.

Then there are those, like iffo, who desperately want all religious people to be like that, and accuse those who are not fundamentalists as simply lying, as he cannot understand that not all religions are exactly like Islam. To him, using textual context and critical analysis of ideas with philosophy or logic equals "lying to yourself".

[Fernando]

All brain damaged people are religious, but not all religious people are brain damaged.

Step one:
Professor Stephen Hawkings does not hold any strong beliefs at all, and he has stated he is an atheist.

Step two:

Professor Stephen Hawkings suffers from a disease that causes progressive brain damage, and this disease in its its advanced stages.

Fair comment, but terminological inexactitude is involved here. Motor neurone disease need not involve the brain and does not involve the mind; and I'm sure Chiclets is really suggesting people are mind-damaged. Sloppy talk costs debates.

[Fernando]

All brain damaged people are religious, but not all religious people are brain damaged, anyways look at this muthafucka, definitely brain damaged ...

What a Wally! Nobody is allowed to draw Satan because nobody knows what Satan looks like! Is that the argument against drawing Mo, then? In either case, people are evidently guilty of a thought crime - the intent to draw Mo or Satan, rather than producing an actual image, since that is impossible.
As for halos, don't they originate from protective shields to keep the bird sh!t off Greek or Roman statues?

[manfred]

If he does not want to draw a picture of Satan, or of anything, who actually cares? Where it all goes wrong is when he thinks his beliefs give him the right to tell others what to do.

Fernando, I learn something new every day. So that is what halos started life at? That really is quite funny.

In early Muslim art, you sometimes see Mohammed depicted with a halo too:



or with a sort of fire round him:


In this picture he has a bigger halo than Abraham, Moses, Jesus and other "prophets" he is depicted with, to make a statement about "rank".

Later art left out Mohammed's face, and finally drawing was "outlawed".

[skynightblaze]

We also have people who think all people with religions are like that, when in fact they are not.

Yes that's true. I think one can explain this to a certain degree if not accurately. It all depends on the individual . For a person who is bad at heart, religion becomes one of the mediums. A person who is good at heart would try to mold the religion to his liking so that he is at peace. I personally think that no religion is perfect. Each contains teachings which are outdated however saying that all religions are same is also wrong. Some religions are worst while some are ok while some are good.

[iffo]

i had a a bag of raisins yesterday i guess i am already in heaven. Its amazing these apologists have no shame what so ever in their desperatness to hang on to their religion, lying to themselves and others.

[AlexmenCorn]

Religion and Athiesm are essentially the same thing - a faith-based world view.

[Fernando]

Religion and Athiesm are essentially the same thing - a faith-based world view.

A fundamental misunderstanding. Atheism is the lack of religion, just as dry is the lack of wetness. In neither case are they the same thing.

[manfred]

A fundamental misunderstanding. Atheism is the lack of religion, just as dry is the lack of wetness. In neither case are they the same thing.

Well, Atheism is not exactly the same for all atheists either....

If you say "lack of religion", sure that makes sense. In fact that is a much better starting point.

But some say "lack of belief" which is not quite the same thing. In reality we believe all kinds of things, and if we didn't we could not function. I believe the car will start in the morning so that I can get on with things I have to do. I have no proof, but I have a good reason for this belief: the car is well looked after, frequently serviced, and never failed to start since I had it. But all that does not of course mean it could not happen.

If you use your credit card your bank gives you money which is not yours in the belief you will return it. ("credit" comes from Latin "credere" which means to believe)

So an atheist may say he does not believe in the existence of God, no problem with that. But he cannot "prove that point" either, so asserting the non-existence of God is in a way also a belief.

I found the "lack of belief" argument always a bit odd... "Lack of religion", sure works much better.

[Nosuperstition]

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Elsewher according to sum,too much religious stuff and stories installed into your memory decreases your ability to think and accept new ideas and that explains poor performance of religious people in general in studies.Might be that is the damaging of brain.Also according to him from the above post,the mind will automatically filter out those ideas which contradict the ones installed earlier at a tender age,thereby restricting the individual's ability to think critically.

According to kokov of old forum,muslims have their own version of Hindu tathasthu gods or that so be it gods,meant for installing decency in children and to prevent them from swearing.However I have seen a number of muslim kids in my school from 6th to 10th standard who swear like anything.As their fathers earn a living in far off gulf countries,their mothers seem not to beat their children out of love and always support their children when teachers complain about their manners and /or performance during the parent-teacher meetings. Atleast that is what I remember.

So they seem not be that much brainwashed with religious stuff that they cannot think critically else how can you explain their verbal abuse inspite of having been indoctrinated against it?So not all religious people are as much brainwashed/brain damaged as the people of this forum make them out to be.

[Nosuperstition]

When too much memory space of the brain is occupied by the bulk of irrelevant religious stories ,the brain has not much more memory left for the sake of academic performance.I think that is what sum said regarding muslims.