Any decent god would have expected Abraham to tell him to go jump in the lake
HerbM wrote:Not killing Isaac was far better than actually requiring him to be killed.
But such an event would still be evil and disgusting behavior on the part of 'god' -- pretty much in line with the much of the behavior of "allah".
Even asking Abraham to do such an thing if the boy never found out would be seriously depraved.
Any decent god would have expected Abraham to tell him to go jump in the lake -- that would have been PASSING the test.
And of course, and all-knowing god would know the outcome before asking. Stupid stuff all around.
This kind of stuff was put into scriptures by pretty messed up individuals -- either ignorant savages or an evil deity, it is awful.
Of course 'Allah' does this and worst everyday before breakfast.
manfred wrote:Now, I think the point glitch is making is ...
In our mad world we find this:
If you are critical of Islam or even a Muslim, you are an "islamophobe", a bigot of the worst kind. If you are critical of Judaism, any Jew or even Israeli politics, people assume you to be an "anti-Semite" and you end up on a shelf with Hitler. In fact we have loads of "shut-up" words for various "politically incorrect" expressions of thoughts.
So that leaves Christians... somehow to mock, ridicule or even insult them is not seen as offensive particularly. When they get killed or raped it hardly makes the news. The rarely answer back, so it is safe to have a go.
This to me is the "bad teacher" syndrome. If you ever had or watched a bad teacher in the classroom you see the following: A number of "hard nut" very unruly and rude children disrupt the lesson. The teacher mostly ignores that. However, when one of the quieter, well-behaved kids talks out of turn, he gets made an example of and gets a detention or a letter home.
Why? Because the nice kid is an easy target. He will not create a scene or perhaps get violent if told off or punished. So the bad teacher ignores the real problems and, to pretend to himself he is keeping order, punishes minor things while turning a blind eye to the class bully who is attacking some kid's fingernails with pliers in front of him.
Christians do not go around forcing you to wear certain clothes or adopt a particular life style. They don't kill you if you have a girlfriend or you are having an affair. They don't push you off buildings if you are gay. They don't cut off your head if you decide to change your religion or become an atheist.
Above all, they don't pretend they are constantly offended by everybody, and therefore go on bombing or killing sprees.
Pope Benedict quoted in a speech a comment about Islam by the last Byzantine Emperor. Result... 23 priests and nuns dead, four churches burnt to ground.
Even more striking... most people found nothing at all outrageous about this response to a comment in a speech. It was to be expected. In fact, all this was his fault.
Christianity has become the piñata for all and sundry. It has become fashionable to make effigies of Christianity and beat them with sticks, as a sort of entertainment, some really quite bizarre.
It doesn't really bother me, to be honest, but I have a habit of assuming that at least some people doing this would actually like to learn at least a tiny bit of real Christianity. In fact, we were told to expect trouble like this by Jesus himself.
Perhaps those who enjoy this kind of past time should think about which religion in their view is actually the most dangerous? Should you not go after that one rather than the safest for you personally?
HerbM wrote:Lesson or not, it is still evil and depraved to force/allow a father to think he will kill his child in sacrifice or for the child to go through the experience.
Greater good? Sure maybe it is on balance worthwhile -- I actually believe that "The end had damn well justify the means."
It is still the same type of evil that we criticize in Islam but nowhere near the degree or prevalence.
Were the Bible full of this stuff AND were people required to believe in doing such things then it would be wroth destroying but that just isn't the case.
These events in the BIble are not examples to be followed, as in Islam.
Islam is an ongoing evil that trains and teaches generation after generation to participate in that evil.
The Bible is largely a set of cautionary tales about how to act rightly or how not to act wrongly.
HerbM wrote:"Stuff" here referenced the story Abraham/Isaac being discussed. I wrote "WERE [conditional] the Bible full of this stuff and ..." strongly implying this is counter-factual, and the the Bible doesn't have much of this "stuff" and people are not generally required, expected, nor encouraged to emulate it.
Alexmencorn wrote:however my belief in YHWH is very strong
AlexmenCorn wrote:I wanted to know why Judaism ignores the New Testament and why Christianity ignores the Torah?
Fernando wrote:Evidently not omniscient after all. Maybe not impotent though: plenty of mechanisms in stock waiting to cut the population down when it really gets out of hand. Religion, even?
Good question. I was asked this question many times by well meaning Christians, I pondered and wrote an essay which in my view could shed some light on this very sober question. I will post here asap.AlexmenCorn wrote:I wanted to know why Judaism ignores the New Testament and why Christianity ignores the Torah?.
Hombre wrote:Good question. I was asked this question many times by well meaning Christians, I pondered and wrote an essay which in my view could shed some light on this very sober question. I will post here asap.AlexmenCorn wrote:I wanted to know why Judaism ignores the New Testament and why Christianity ignores the Torah?.
however my belief in YHWH is very strong
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