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The Qur'an or the Bible: Which is God's Word

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Re: The Qur'an or the Bible: Which is God's Word

Postby Hombre » Sat Jan 09, 2016 7:50 pm

SAM wrote:
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Who is David cross?.

David Cross (born April 4, 1964)[3] is an American stand-up comedian, actor, writer, and voice artist, known primarily for his standup work
Here is the complete joke on youtube:


Are you deranged, or some sico?. The guy is a COMEDIAN you moron - not a scholar of any bible. Can you get any dumber then that?. That quote which you posted was made as a joke - not any scholarly observation. Just replace the word "Bible" with Quran, and you will get same results

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Re: The Qur'an or the Bible: Which is God's Word

Postby SAM » Sat Jan 09, 2016 8:00 pm

manfred wrote:The FIRST? Nobody knows that, obviously. It's like asking the name of the first man who saw the ocean. And it is an irrelevant question anyway.

So are you going to present your evidence or simply procrastinate as usual?
You don't know.? :clueless: :*)
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Re: The Qur'an or the Bible: Which is God's Word

Postby Fernando » Sat Jan 09, 2016 8:08 pm

SAM wrote:Well, I ask you, according to your beliefs who is the first man to receive revelation either by angels or directly from God.
What is the answer according to your beliefs?
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Re: The Qur'an or the Bible: Which is God's Word

Postby manfred » Sat Jan 09, 2016 8:17 pm

You don't know.?


Yes of course I don't know, nobody does.

And that was your "proof"? Or is there more?
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Re: The Qur'an or the Bible: Which is God's Word

Postby Hombre » Sun Jan 10, 2016 12:27 am

manfred wrote:
You don't know.?


Yes of course I don't know, nobody does.

And that was your "proof"? Or is there more?
A comedian is his proof of reference. Then these morons are still surprised why Islam & Muhammad are held with such ridicule. We are seeing the example of it.
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Postby SAM » Sun Jan 10, 2016 11:25 am

manfred wrote:
You don't know.?


Yes of course I don't know, nobody does.

And that was your "proof"? Or is there more?
You don't have the key to the occult or the keys to the knowledge of unseen (Ghaib) to understand my explanation to you.
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Re: The Qur'an or the Bible: Which is God's Word

Postby manfred » Sun Jan 10, 2016 11:45 am

If you cannot provide any evidence that the Qur'an is the word of God, don't blame me for that.
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Re: The Qur'an or the Bible: Which is God's Word

Postby SAM » Sun Jan 10, 2016 1:23 pm

manfred wrote:If you cannot provide any evidence that the Qur'an is the word of God, don't blame me for that.
When I asked you, who is the first man to have received revelation.

You answered "I do not know, nobody does."

With the recognition you with spontaneously, you've declare that the teachings of Christianity and Judaism is incomplete when compared with Islam. That is why many questions arise about the teachings of Islam that managed to lure new followers.

Many of the Messenger of Allah had shown that they were sent by Allah to lead his own people to the right path. The prophets were also given miracles to prove themselves is the Messenger of Allah. For example .. The absence of Moses, the Israelites worshiped the idols of the Statue of Cows, and they also persecuted and killed all the prophets that was sent to them, including Jesus, who failed to escape from persecution by the Jews.


Obviously, the prophets who have proved the truth of God's word, they rejected the truth which has been proven by their prophets.
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Re: The Qur'an or the Bible: Which is God's Word

Postby frankie » Sun Jan 10, 2016 5:36 pm

SAM wrote:
manfred wrote:If you cannot provide any evidence that the Qur'an is the word of God, don't blame me for that.
When I asked you, who is the first man to have received revelation.

You answered "I do not know, nobody does."

With the recognition you with spontaneously, you've declare that the teachings of Christianity and Judaism is incomplete when compared with Islam. That is why many questions arise about the teachings of Islam that managed to lure new followers.

Many of the Messenger of Allah had shown that they were sent by Allah to lead his own people to the right path. The prophets were also given miracles to prove themselves is the Messenger of Allah. For example .. The absence of Moses, the Israelites worshiped the idols of the Statue of Cows, and they also persecuted and killed all the prophets that was sent to them, including Jesus, who failed to escape from persecution by the Jews.


Obviously, the prophets who have proved the truth of God's word, they rejected the truth which has been proven by their prophets.


SAM:

The prophets of the Bible God spoke in this Gods name, they exhorted their listeners to obey the Bible Gods Commandments, the very Commandments given to one of Islam's prophets, Moses.

This means that all further prophets must follow these same Commandments to be in accordance with the Bible Gods laws.

Mohammed did not follow the Bible Gods laws, neither he did not exhort his listeners to follow these laws, in fact he broke every one of them.

Mohammed met the Bible Gods criteria for being a false prophet, who deceive many.

The Quran therefore is a book of deception, and deception is a quality found in that which deceives, which according to the Bible is Satan, who is the "father of lies."

You do the "maths."
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Re: The Qur'an or the Bible: Which is God's Word

Postby Fernando » Sun Jan 10, 2016 7:38 pm

SAM wrote:
manfred wrote:If you cannot provide any evidence that the Qur'an is the word of God, don't blame me for that.
When I asked you, who is the first man to have received revelation.
You answered "I do not know, nobody does."
And when I asked what you believe the answer to be, you didn't reply.
The prophets were also given miracles to prove themselves is the Messenger of Allah.
So how come Mo didn't get a miracle? False prophet?
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Postby manfred » Sun Jan 10, 2016 8:11 pm

you've declare that the teachings of Christianity and Judaism is incomplete when compared with Islam.


So Islam is more "complete" because of various trivia made up by Mohammed and subsequent Muslims? Most of these he did not even make up, but copied.

So please, tell us something, anything at all, of some importance, that is even remotely useful and that you could not find in Judaism or Christianity. I don't mean the colour of the flowers on Moses's underpants when leaving Egypt. I mean something useful and worth knowing. And ideally I would like it to be from the Qur'an, this revelation that raises Islam over other religions... I wonder what it will be? How to beat you wife perhaps?
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Re: The Qur'an or the Bible: Which is God's Word

Postby glitch » Sun Jan 10, 2016 10:34 pm

So Sam, Chritinaity aside, abd using only the Torah, why do muslims reject that book, since oyu know that'd be closests to the source?
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Postby SAM » Mon Jan 11, 2016 12:10 am

manfred wrote:
So Islam is more "complete" because of various trivia made up by Mohammed and subsequent Muslims? Most of these he did not even make up, but copied.

So please, tell us something, anything at all, of some importance, that is even remotely useful and that you could not find in Judaism or Christianity. I don't mean the colour of the flowers on Moses's underpants when leaving Egypt. I mean something useful and worth knowing. And ideally I would like it to be from the Qur'an, this revelation that raises Islam over other religions... I wonder what it will be? How to beat you wife perhaps?
So you agree that the People of the Book, Jews and Christians are foolish, ignorant, moron, idiotic and stupid. Because they don't know that Muhammad mimic, imitate, replicate and emulate the passages from the Torah and the Gospel. After 1400 years, Christians and Jews now realize they have been duped and deceived by the Jews and Christians in the time of Muhammad.

Thank you for your clarification. :lol:
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Postby Hombre » Mon Jan 11, 2016 12:17 am

Here again. I have to come to aid :wink2: of our Muslims, that Quran does contain the correct & final version of Allah commands. One example.

Both, HB & Quran teach their children to seek knowledge from their surrounding. Both teach them to look at rocks, and trees, listen to their messages.

Jews listen to unlock the secrets of nature and bring those discoveries to benefit mankind. Islam "corrects" the HB with instructions of it own. It instructs Muslims to kill those who try to bring the knowledge. So yes, Muhammad is and should be the last madman who tells innocent people to kill other innocent ones.
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Postby manfred » Mon Jan 11, 2016 12:33 am

SAM wrote:
manfred wrote:
So Islam is more "complete" because of various trivia made up by Mohammed and subsequent Muslims? Most of these he did not even make up, but copied.

So please, tell us something, anything at all, of some importance, that is even remotely useful and that you could not find in Judaism or Christianity. I don't mean the colour of the flowers on Moses's underpants when leaving Egypt. I mean something useful and worth knowing. And ideally I would like it to be from the Qur'an, this revelation that raises Islam over other religions... I wonder what it will be? How to beat you wife perhaps?
So you agree that the People of the Book, Jews and Christians are foolish, ignorant, moron, idiotic and stupid. Because they don't know that Muhammad mimic, imitate, replicate and emulate the passages from the Torah and the Gospel. After 1400 years, Christians and Jews now realize they have been duped and deceived by the Jews and Christians in the time of Muhammad.

Thank you for your clarification. :lol:


HU? where did I say any of that? Did you read what I said?

I am waiting of ONE THING, one piece of "revelation" from your Qur'an that in any way at all improves on what existed before.

You cannot do that so you resort you name calling again.
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Postby Hombre » Mon Jan 11, 2016 12:37 am

manfred wrote:
SAM wrote:
manfred wrote:
So Islam is more "complete" because of various trivia made up by Mohammed and subsequent Muslims? Most of these he did not even make up, but copied.

So please, tell us something, anything at all, of some importance, that is even remotely useful and that you could not find in Judaism or Christianity. I don't mean the colour of the flowers on Moses's underpants when leaving Egypt. I mean something useful and worth knowing. And ideally I would like it to be from the Qur'an, this revelation that raises Islam over other religions... I wonder what it will be? How to beat you wife perhaps?
So you agree that the People of the Book, Jews and Christians are foolish, ignorant, moron, idiotic and stupid. Because they don't know that Muhammad mimic, imitate, replicate and emulate the passages from the Torah and the Gospel. After 1400 years, Christians and Jews now realize they have been duped and deceived by the Jews and Christians in the time of Muhammad.

Thank you for your clarification. :lol:


HU? where did I say any of that? Did you read what I said?

I am waiting of ONE THING, one piece of "revelation" from your Qur'an that in any way at all improves on what existed before.

You cannot do that so you resort you name calling again.
Yes indeed, Quran is he complete cookbook to insanity (which hand to use to wipe oneself) and Muhammad was the master chef.
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Postby SAM » Mon Jan 11, 2016 5:37 am

Jesus said, "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished." (Matt 5:17-18).

It is so clear and evident that Jesus after absconding for 18 years (12 to 30 yrs old) have learned from the verses of the Old Testament before telling the Jews that he came not to bring a new religion that was misunderstood by Pharisees and the Jews.

Jesus said, "I tell you the TRUTH.." :lol:
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Postby manfred » Mon Jan 11, 2016 7:53 am

So now, because you can;t do what is asked, you try another diversion.

I am waiting of ONE THING, one piece of "revelation" from your Qur'an that in any way at all improves on what existed before.
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Postby Hombre » Mon Jan 11, 2016 8:43 pm

manfred wrote:So now, because you can;t do what is asked, you try another diversion.

I am waiting of ONE THING, one piece of "revelation" from your Qur'an that in any way at all improves on what existed before.
He does not have any, because there are none. The very reason use of violence is the only means by which Muslims can answer to challenges posed to Qur'an.

You hit the nail on the head. Quran is a mere cookbook.
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Postby SAM » Tue Jan 12, 2016 7:24 am

manfred wrote:So now, because you can;t do what is asked, you try another diversion.

I am waiting of ONE THING, one piece of "revelation" from your Qur'an that in any way at all improves on what existed before.
You always arrogant and proudly declare that you knew more of the Quran than Muslims. And, poor thing, you don't know who the first man to have received revelation from God.

Now tell me, how all of the Prophets including Jesus received revelations from God and bore witness "None Exist Except Allah" before I tell how Muhammad received revelations from God.
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