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Eating meat makes you weak?Spiritually or Physically?

PostPosted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 2:58 pm
by Nosuperstition
"[It is] good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor [any thing] whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak." - Romans 14:21


http://www.catholic-defense.com/lent.htm

Strange since God himself ate burnt flesh offering and especially liked all the fat in it.But then what is acceptable to God / gods is not acceptable to mortals.

Re: Eating meat makes you weak?Spiritually or Physically?

PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 4:22 pm
by Nosuperstition
God of O.T also drank wine,Jesus himself drank wine but there seem to exist more than one injunction in the Bible against drinking perhaps because drinking it does not weaken divine beings but the same is not the case with mortals.

Re: Eating meat makes you weak?Spiritually or Physically?

PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 10:26 am
by frankie
Nosuperstition wrote:
"[It is] good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor [any thing] whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak." - Romans 14:21


http://www.catholic-defense.com/lent.htm

Strange since God himself ate burnt flesh offering and especially liked all the fat in it.But then what is acceptable to God / gods is not acceptable to mortals.


You need to read the whole of this verse from beginning to end before you pass judgement.

Re: Eating meat makes you weak?Spiritually or Physically?

PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:06 pm
by Nosuperstition
frankie wrote:
Nosuperstition wrote:
"[It is] good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor [any thing] whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak." - Romans 14:21


http://www.catholic-defense.com/lent.htm

Strange since God himself ate burnt flesh offering and especially liked all the fat in it.But then what is acceptable to God / gods is not acceptable to mortals.


You need to read the whole of this verse from beginning to end before you pass judgement.


http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+14&version=NIV

Thats the whole part of it.Now what is your explaination?

Re: Eating meat makes you weak?Spiritually or Physically?

PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 3:35 pm
by frankie
You need to read the whole of this verse from beginning to end before you pass judgement.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+14&version=NIV

Thats the whole part of it.Now what is your explaination?


Nosuperstition:

The explanation comes from reading the context of this,as with all of Pauls letters to his countrymen.This particular letter is to the newly converted Jews to Christianity living in Rome.He is telling them not to judge one another just because of what they eat,which is perceived as being ritually "unclean," by those who ate and drank in this way previously i.e.those from Jewish heritage.Now that they are Christian,they are no longer held within the old covernant,but the new one which Jesus installed at the Last Supper.

Re: Eating meat makes you weak?Spiritually or Physically?

PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 10:07 pm
by manfred
This is how the chapter starts off:
Accept the one whose faith is weak, without quarreling over disputable matters. 2 One person’s faith allows them to eat anything, but another, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. 3 The one who eats everything must not treat with contempt the one who does not, and the one who does not eat everything must not judge the one who does, for God has accepted them.


So Frankie is exactly right in pointing at the historical and situational context of the letter.

Essentially the message Paul spells out is this:

a) Paul does not think that the Jewish dietary laws apply anymore. he does not believe food is a genuine religious concern. By logical extension Muslim dietary laws are equally irrelevant.

b) However, he recognizes that this is a tricky step to take for Jewish people. The same applies to modern converts from Islam... eating pork sausages would be most likely something they would not easily be willing to do, even post-Islam. It surprises many Muslims to hear that you can be a Christian without eating pork, or even meat, and many do. Some even are amazed to find that not all Christians regularly eat dog...

Paul suggests that the food or drink people consume should not be a matter for criticism or debate. Nobody should feel superior over another because of the diet they keep. He suggests simply not to discuss that issue as it can generate strife over a trivial issue. Instead simply do as you think is best. As a former Jew he knows exactly how dietary laws divide people one from another. He makes no secret of his view that clinging to dietary rules to him shows a certain lack in faith; but he also says we should not worry about that, after all none of us are without fault.

He also expresses the view that in food, excesses should be avoided. An excess in red meat and alcohol does in fact cause problems, as you can see at the mortality patterns in the "developed" world. So, it is prudent to opt for balance in diet. However, Paul firmly places these kinds of issues into the sphere of personal decision and responsibility.