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Israel gives green light for visits to Saudi Arabia


Israeli Interior Minister Arye Deri during a press conference in Jerusalem on April 2, 2018. (File photo: AFP)
Al Arabiya English Sunday, 26 January 2020

Israel on Sunday officially gave its citizens the right to travel to Saudi Arabia for religious and business visits.

Israel had never granted official approval for such travel by both Jewish and Muslim Israelis.

Interior Minister Aryeh Deri “signed for the first time an order enabling an exit permit for Israelis to Saudi Arabia,” his office said.

The move, coordinated with the security and diplomatic services, approves travel to the Gulf state “for religious purposes during the Hajj and the Umra (Muslim pilgrimages),” it said in a statement.

It said Israel would also allow its citizens to travel to Saudi Arabia “to participate in business meetings or seek investments” for trips not exceeding 90 days.

Business travelers must have “arranged their entry to Saudi Arabia and received an invitation from a governmental source,” the interior ministry said.

There was no indication of a corresponding policy change from the Saudi side.

Earlier Sunday, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu praised Mohammed al-Issa, head of the Muslim World League based in Mecca, Saudi Arabia, for attending commemorations in Poland this week marking 75 years since the liberation of the Nazi death camp Auschwitz. (With AFP)


SAMI see you in Mekkah, from now on we can pray together to Allah :clap: :lotpot:

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Hombre wrote:Israel gives green light for visits to Saudi Arabia


Israeli Interior Minister Arye Deri during a press conference in Jerusalem on April 2, 2018. (File photo: AFP)
Al Arabiya English Sunday, 26 January 2020

Israel on Sunday officially gave its citizens the right to travel to Saudi Arabia for religious and business visits.

Israel had never granted official approval for such travel by both Jewish and Muslim Israelis.

Interior Minister Aryeh Deri “signed for the first time an order enabling an exit permit for Israelis to Saudi Arabia,” his office said.

The move, coordinated with the security and diplomatic services, approves travel to the Gulf state “for religious purposes during the Hajj and the Umra (Muslim pilgrimages),” it said in a statement.

It said Israel would also allow its citizens to travel to Saudi Arabia “to participate in business meetings or seek investments” for trips not exceeding 90 days.

Business travelers must have “arranged their entry to Saudi Arabia and received an invitation from a governmental source,” the interior ministry said.

There was no indication of a corresponding policy change from the Saudi side.

Earlier Sunday, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu praised Mohammed al-Issa, head of the Muslim World League based in Mecca, Saudi Arabia, for attending commemorations in Poland this week marking 75 years since the liberation of the Nazi death camp Auschwitz. (With AFP)


SAMI see you in Mekkah, from now on we can pray together to Allah :clap: :lotpot:
Of course, Jews still crave the Kaabah, which means Kabbalah. Kaabah and Allah, as they know, spell Kaballah.

And tefillin (phylacteries) which are used daily by the Jews is also a symbol of the Kaaba (Black Cube). Kabbalah explains that the Jews wrapped tefillin on their left arm seven times, which also meant circumabulation the Kaabah.

Each year, Jews pay attention to Muslims embark on a pilgrimage (Hajj) to walk around the Ka’ba in Mecca seven times because they know this mirrors the process of binding their tefillin.

The majority of Jews did not know that bind the tefillin on their left arm was symbolic circling the Temple in Mecca. :whistling:
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There won't be any Jews going... in case you did not know... there are some Muslims in Israel.

The rest of your post, I wish you a speedy recovery and a return to reason.
קַבָּלָה "Qabbalah" means tradition, the Ka'aba starts with a kaf, the Qabbala starts with a qof, the Arabic letter قـ.

I am sure I explained to you the that if words sound similar they do not always mean the same thing.

This also applies to cube shape things. not all cubes are a reference to the Kaaba. The tefillin have zero connection to that.

The same as these:

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"SAM" sounds a bit like ham .... there you go, proof you are a certain animal.... The same nonsense.

Keep taking the tablets....
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SAM wrote:
Hombre wrote:Israel gives green light for visits to Saudi Arabia


Israeli Interior Minister Arye Deri during a press conference in Jerusalem on April 2, 2018. (File photo: AFP)
Al Arabiya English Sunday, 26 January 2020

Israel on Sunday officially gave its citizens the right to travel to Saudi Arabia for religious and business visits.

Israel had never granted official approval for such travel by both Jewish and Muslim Israelis.

Interior Minister Aryeh Deri “signed for the first time an order enabling an exit permit for Israelis to Saudi Arabia,” his office said.

The move, coordinated with the security and diplomatic services, approves travel to the Gulf state “for religious purposes during the Hajj and the Umra (Muslim pilgrimages),” it said in a statement.

It said Israel would also allow its citizens to travel to Saudi Arabia “to participate in business meetings or seek investments” for trips not exceeding 90 days.

Business travelers must have “arranged their entry to Saudi Arabia and received an invitation from a governmental source,” the interior ministry said.

There was no indication of a corresponding policy change from the Saudi side.

Earlier Sunday, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu praised Mohammed al-Issa, head of the Muslim World League based in Mecca, Saudi Arabia, for attending commemorations in Poland this week marking 75 years since the liberation of the Nazi death camp Auschwitz. (With AFP)


SAMI see you in Mekkah, from now on we can pray together to Allah :clap: :lotpot:
Of course, Jews still crave the Kaabah, which means Kabbalah. Kaabah and Allah, as they know, spell Kaballah.

And tefillin (phylacteries) which are used daily by the Jews is also a symbol of the Kaaba (Black Cube). Kabbalah explains that the Jews wrapped tefillin on their left arm seven times, which also meant circumabulation the Kaabah.

Each year, Jews pay attention to Muslims embark on a pilgrimage (Hajj) to walk around the Ka’ba in Mecca seven times because they know this mirrors the process of binding their tefillin.

The majority of Jews did not know that bind the tefillin on their left arm was symbolic circling the Temple in Mecca. :whistling:

SAM

Repeating the same nonsense will not make it any more true.

Your faith is rooted in pre Islamic paganism,which is why neither Jews nor Christians perform the same rituals as Muslims.

Your prophet continued with his religious practice of performing Hajj, Ramadan the worship of Al Ilah the "greatest" of idols in the Kaaba, and veneration of a stone,retaining them all for Islam.


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The Prophet ﷺ then mounted his she-camel and headed to Makkah to perform Tawaf al-Ziyarah, with Usama ibn Zayd I seated behind him. Upon reaching the Kaaba, he performed Tawaf on his camel so that everybody could see him and learn the rituals from him. Jabir I reports:
Allah’s Messenger circumambulated the House on the back of his riding camel on the occasion of the Farewell Pilgrimage and touched the Stone with his stick so that the people could see him, and that he be conspicuous so they would be able to ask him (questions pertaining to religion) as they crowded round him.70
As he was mounted, he performed Istilam of the Hajar al-Aswad with a stick. Abdullah ibn Abbas I narrates:
In his last Hajj, the Prophet ﷺ performed Tawaf of the Kaaba riding a camel and pointed a bent-headed stick towards the Black Stone while uttering Takbir...

btw the terfillin strapped to pious Jews arms/heads contains their scriptures pertaining to the God of the Bible,nothing whatever to do with Allah,who tells Muslims, Jews are the worst of creatures,who incurs Allah's wrath,despised as apes and pigs.

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The Bible proves Prophet MOSES did pilgrimage to MECCA - INTERESTING Insight by a JEWISH writer!-Avi Lipkin
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SAM that is a MUSLIM clip. Is is about Exodus 5:1, which we already discussed before. The nice Islamic music does not add anything to its lack of substance.

Because Exodus 5:1 has the word for a HOLIDAY , not "pilgrimage", some idiots suggest "Mecca". Mecca did not exist at the time of Moses, and there was no Kaaba, not for a minumum of 1400 years. The "wilderness" is the desert part of Egypt or perhaps the Sinai, not some non-existent place a thousand miles away.

Proof:
Read a bit further, to verse 3:
3 Then they said, “The God of the Hebrews has met with us. Now let us take a three-day journey into the wilderness to offer sacrifices to the Lord our God, or he may strike us with plagues or with the sword.”
Is Mecca a three day walk from anywhere in Egypt? Can you walk 1000 miles through a desert in three days?

Chaucer wrote something about a pilgrimage ... the Canterbury tales.... is that Mecca as well?
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SAM wrote:Of course, Jews still crave the Kaabah, which means Kabbalah. Kaabah and Allah, as they know, spell Kaballah.
Drop the Nargillah, At times it causes hilucination. As manfred noted & if you had bothered to research the meaning of Kaballah you would learn that - in Judaism, it is thoughtful reflection deep inside refection into essence of Gad (Not allah). Ka'aba & kaballah sound, look, spell & are totally two different things.
And tefillin (phylacteries) which are used daily by the Jews is also a symbol of the Kaaba (Black Cube). Kabbalah explains that the Jews wrapped tefillin on their left arm seven times, which also meant circumabulation the Kaabah.
prayers with Tfilling has been practiced some 3000 years ago. Ka'aba of Islam has been around only 1400. So who copied these symbols from whom? Jews from Muslim or the other way.?
Each year, Jews pay attention to Muslims embark on a pilgrimage (Hajj) to walk around the Ka’ba in Mecca seven times because they know this mirrors the process of binding their tefillin.
Jews are too busy reflecting on their own souls & learn from Torah & Talmud to pay attention to some 3m people walk around a stone.
The majority of Jews did not know that bind the tefillin on their left arm was symbolic circling the Temple in Mecca. :whistling:
Muslim are known for their vivid imagination & 1001 night fairy tales.

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Explanation directly from Jewish Man-Dennis Avi Lipkin :reading:

In this short video Avi Lipkin a Jewish man explains about Jewish praying tradition and history of how Moses led his follower from Pharoah slavery from Egypt across the red sea towards Arabia land. Hag in Hebrew means a holiday or going around in circle. Jethro (Moses Father In-Law) the high priest of Midian is believed to be High Priest of Kaa'ba in Mecca. According to Avi, there was no Kaa'ba at that time, so he was actually the High Priest of the Black Stone.

From this video, we also know that the black stone was there since the time of Abraham and was taken care by their family generations to generations because Jethro was the descendant of Abraham's first son Ishmael.

Moses who is the student of Jethro gave his people the Phylactery to put at forehead and left arm which is a sign from God to leave Pyramid Triangular Slavery System from Egypt to the Cubic Square System in the Arabia land.

Also the Phylactery strap is wrap around 7 times around the arm and Muslim also tour the Kaa'ba 7 times during Hajj.

Exodus 12:14 - This is a day to remember. Each year, from generation to generation, you must celebrate it as a special festival (hag) to the LORD. This is a law for all time.

It is also said Moses was at the Kaa'ba performing the celebration of Hag. The word hag can be found here which translated to festival sacrifice or feast where people gather, celebrate and eat. According to the Jewish man in the video, hag also means going around in circles.

Muslims, to this day, perform annual sacrifice at the occasion of Hajj to celebrate the events that took place in the life of Prophet Abraham. :coffee:

In Return to Mecca, Avi Lipkin reviews the biblical history of Mecca and Medina and the Israelites' sojourn in the Arabian desert for 38 years followed by two years in the deserts just to the East of the Jordan River.

He uses historical texts from Josephus as well from Greek and Roman authors from 2,000-2,300 years ago about the Israelite Exodus from Egypt and analyzes the Bible to show how the Israelites wandered in the Arabian peninsula for these years. :library:
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According to the Jewish man in the video, hag also means going around in circles.
Like you SAM?
Exodus 12:14 - This is a day to remember. Each year, from generation to generation, you must celebrate it as a special festival (hag) to the LORD. This is a law for all time.
Which day is that?

Let's have a look what else there is in Exodus 12 to find out.
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The LORD said to Moses and Aaron in Egypt,
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"This month is to be for you the first month, the first month of your year.
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Tell the whole community of Israel that on the tenth day of this month each man is to take a lamb [1] for his family, one for each household.
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If any household is too small for a whole lamb, they must share one with their nearest neighbor, having taken into account the number of people there are. You are to determine the amount of lamb needed in accordance with what each person will eat.
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The animals you choose must be year-old males without defect, and you may take them from the sheep or the goats.
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Take care of them until the fourteenth day of the month, when all the people of the community of Israel must slaughter them at twilight.
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Then they are to take some of the blood and put it on the sides and tops of the doorframes of the houses where they eat the lambs.
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That same night they are to eat the meat roasted over the fire, along with bitter herbs, and bread made without yeast.
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Do not eat the meat raw or cooked in water, but roast it over the fire--head, legs and inner parts.
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Do not leave any of it till morning; if some is left till morning, you must burn it.
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This is how you are to eat it: with your cloak tucked into your belt, your sandals on your feet and your staff in your hand. Eat it in haste; it is the LORD's Passover.
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"On that same night I will pass through Egypt and strike down every firstborn--both men and animals--and I will bring judgment on all the gods of Egypt. I am the LORD.
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The blood will be a sign for you on the houses where you are; and when I see the blood, I will pass over you. No destructive plague will touch you when I strike Egypt.
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"This is a day you are to commemorate; for the generations to come you shall celebrate it as a festival to the LORD--a lasting ordinance.
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For seven days you are to eat bread made without yeast. On the first day remove the yeast from your houses, for whoever eats anything with yeast in it from the first day through the seventh must be cut off from Israel.
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On the first day hold a sacred assembly, and another one on the seventh day. Do no work at all on these days, except to prepare food for everyone to eat--that is all you may do.
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"Celebrate the Feast of Unleavened Bread, because it was on this very day that I brought your divisions out of Egypt. Celebrate this day as a lasting ordinance for the generations to come.
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In the first month you are to eat bread made without yeast, from the evening of the fourteenth day until the evening of the twenty-first day.
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For seven days no yeast is to be found in your houses. And whoever eats anything with yeast in it must be cut off from the community of Israel, whether he is an alien or native-born.
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Eat nothing made with yeast. Wherever you live, you must eat unleavened bread."
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Then Moses summoned all the elders of Israel and said to them, "Go at once and select the animals for your families and slaughter the Passover lamb.
You find a detailed description to the Jewish PASSOVER, not of Idul Adha. The lamb, the herbs, the door frame, the unleavend bread...

No Kaaba, no running round in circles, first month, not 10th month.

The rite of circumambulation at the Kaaba is preserved from pre-Islamic pagan practice, one circle for each of the then known celestial bodies that move, sun, moon, Merury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn.

Finally, a "hag" is this sort of thing:

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How to say חֹ֥גּ you can listen to here:
https://forvo.com/word/%D7%97%D7%92/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Let me add that this is a modern pronunciation.... The biblical Hebrew uses an "o" instead of the "a".

The first letter is NOT an "h", but more like the "ch" in "Loch Ness".
It means feast, party, or holiday. The Arabic equivalent is حفل, and not حَجّ‎ which also does not mean circumambulation, but merely means a journey for the purpose of a visit.
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Tell Avi Lipkin that you are smarter and wiser than him, that he is more stupid than you. :lol:
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Knowing simple facts does not make you "smart" just properly informed.
BTW , this are a cut together clip make by Muslims. They are FAKE, in the sense that they do not show his real views.
The real Avi Lipkin is certainly not an apologist for Muslims ... he opposed the building of minarets in Switzerland, and he made this:



Wiki has this:
Dennis „Avi“ Lipkin (* 1949 in Flushing, New York) ist ein ehemaliger israelischer Militär und Politiker und seit Jahren weltweit als Anti-Islam-Aktivist hervorgetreten.
Dennis "Avi" Lipkin (* 1949 in Flushing, New York) is a former Israeli military and politician and has been an anti-Islam activist worldwide for years.
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avi_Lipkin" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

So you are presenting a fake video as evidence for a fake sanctuary. How appropriate.

I have given you factual, checkable information... you point at some doctored youtube clips.
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Avi Lipkin claimed that Mecca is the Holy place which Moses ordered children of Israel to migrate. He said Saudi Arabia is the holy circled BLACK BOX. :worthy: Tefillin (phylacteries).

The words of Avi Lipkin mean that the Children of Israel being Pharaoh's dogs were taken by Moses to Mecca instead of the promised land of Canaan. :lol:
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For heaven's sake, SAM stop this stupid nonsense.

As you yourself said:
SAM wrote:According to Avi, there was no Kaa'ba at that time,
So clearly Moses could not go to a place that did not exist. Similarly, Jethro who was Moses' father in law, could not be a priest at a non-existent sanctuary in Mecca. Even you should be able to get your head round that. We also know that Jethro lived near modern day Aqaba, as that was the home of his people.



Two verses from Exodus were given, and both cannot refer to the Kaaba.

In Exodus 5:1 Moses speaks of a feast in the wilderness, and the claim MUSLIMS (not the Jewish writer) make that this refers to the Kaaba.
This is not possible as verse 3 contradicts that. It states Moses wants to travel 3 days. There is no place anywhere in Egypt that is 3 days walk from Mecca.

The other reference was Exodus 12:14. This does not refer to any festival to do with the Kaaba, as the context very plainly shows, it is about the Passover.

So the clips show exactly nothing at all.. They are designed to fool Muslims, and use editing and a lot of emotional contents. What they do illustrate though is that Muslims do not trust their own scholars, so they need these "productions". They all rely on one thing: that nobody actually checks the facts. Ever wonder why the music? To make an emotional appeal, so that fewer people check things carefully. When someone does, all that remains is an embarrassing elaborate lie.
He said Saudi Arabia is the holy circled BLACK BOX.
All of Saudi Arabia was a "black box"? :lotpot:
In Muslim sources there is zero evidence that the Kaaba was covered from the beginning. Mohammed covered it white, we read or left it uncovered. Later various colours were used, black and green being prominent. At no point in its 1400 year hstory was the Kaaba ever a "black box">
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The rite of circumambulation at the Kaaba is preserved from pre-Islamic pagan practice, one circle for each of the then known celestial bodies that move, sun, moon, Merury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn
Doubtful. The rite of cricumbulation at the 'sacred mountain' is known in ancient Samaritan/Samarian Yahwist liturgy where the top of the mountain is encircled 2.5 times - during each cycle the believer prays 7 times.
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Dear SAM, the place for crazy conspiracy theories and other tin foil hat stuff, including quotes from Osama Bin Laden is the SOAPBOX. Please put it there. I have better things to do than to tidy up after you.
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Takeiteasynow wrote:
The rite of circumambulation at the Kaaba is preserved from pre-Islamic pagan practice, one circle for each of the then known celestial bodies that move, sun, moon, Merury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn
Doubtful. The rite of cricumbulation at the 'sacred mountain' is known in ancient Samaritan/Samarian Yahwist liturgy where the top of the mountain is encircled 2.5 times - during each cycle the believer prays 7 times.
There were no Samaritans at the time of Moses, which is what SAM was alluding to. I am not aware of this rite of the Samaritans on Mount Gerizim... can you point me to a source?

There were a number of Kaaba sanctuaries in Arabia, and they were not monotheistic before Islam.

According Muslim sources, hajj was performed by polytheists before Islam:
I would appeal to you to consider that the rituals performed at the Hajj are traceable to the pagan rituals that were practiced well before Muhammad came along. “Narrated Abu Huraira: In the year prior to the last Hajj of the Prophet when Allah's Apostle made Abu Bakr the leader of the pilgrims, the latter (Abu Bakr) sent me in the company of a group of people to make a public announcement: 'No pagan is allowed to perform Hajj after this year, and no naked person is allowed to perform Tawaf of the Kaba.'” (See Hadith No. 365 Vol. 1) (Sahih Bukhari 2.689)
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can you point me to a source?
Sure. The Samaritans: A Profile, Reinhard Pummer - 2016, p.90 (but there's more material - I will post it one of these days).
The Samaritan liturgy refers repeatedly to the “Eternal Hill” in the meaning of the rock on the summit of Mt. Gerizim. ... and the Eternal Hill is circumambulated about two and a half times at the end of each pilgrimage while a certain prayer is recited seven times
There were a number of Kaaba sanctuaries in Arabia, and they were not monotheistic before Islam.
As you know Kaba means nothing but cube and 'Arabia' is a misnomer among scholars. There are monotheistic sanctuaries in for instance the northern Hijaz, like the one at Rawwafa near Hegra (500 years before Islam).
According Muslim sources, hajj was performed by polytheists before Islam
Hajj was for instance performed at Dedan and there's no evidence that the god of Dedan was part of any pantheon. And the Thamudic script of Dedan is at least a millennia older than Islam.
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Hajj was for instance performed at Dedan and there's no evidence that the god of Dedan was part of any pantheon.
As far as I remember, and that is a bit vauge, religion of the Liyan, was "almost" monotheistic, but there were other deities worshippped too, there was an influence from Yemen I think. Wadd the snake god? The only reason I remember him is because a student of mine long ago pointed out in the most casual way "there is also a gay porn studio with that name.", which made it very hard to stay serious after that.... he totally ruined my composure.
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manfred wrote:Dear SAM, the place for crazy conspiracy theories and other tin foil hat stuff, including quotes from Osama Bin Laden is the SOAPBOX. Please put it there. I have better things to do than to tidy up after you.
That's Avi's words in his book. You must have a hard time accepting it. :lol: :roflmao:
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manfred wrote:
Hajj was for instance performed at Dedan and there's no evidence that the god of Dedan was part of any pantheon.
As far as I remember, and that is a bit vauge, religion of the Liyan, was "almost" monotheistic, but there were other deities worshippped too, there was an influence from Yemen I think. Wadd the snake god? The only reason I remember him is because a student of mine long ago pointed out in the most casual way "there is also a gay porn studio with that name.", which made it very hard to stay serious after that.... he totally ruined my composure.
You should be careful here with these kind of jokes - before you know it Sam uses it to profile you even more. :shock:

Dedan was a trading city and others had stations there, bringing there Gods along. What Dedanaitic inscriptions tell us that they had one god - the one from the thickened bush, an epithet - and some kind of grain festival, at a certain month and certain day. Sound a bit like the holiday of unleavened bread...

Hmm, this would perhaps be a good moment to start debating the 2,400-year-old ‘Passover Letter’ which shows the slow evolution of the Yahwist ritual now known as Pesach.
Abraham= H'ammu'rab(b)i, Historical Muhammad=Benjamin of Tiberias. Islam: Syncretic Israelite Yahwishm Deity: nameless, epithets Dsr, El Qutbay, ʼAlâhâ, Allāh. Ka'ba: Kutha => Samaria => Petra=> Makkah. Hijrah 622: Petra => Kerak

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