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Re: The one and only Obama thread ( continued)

Postby Skenderbeg » Mon Apr 13, 2009 10:23 pm

THHuxley wrote:
Skenderbeg wrote:It doesn't take much to have someone classified as "rightwing extremist' in this country.

Or leftwing either. See your coment below:

Skenderbeg wrote:why isn't this story reported as black left wing extremist kills 4 cops march 23 2009.

Almost certainly because there is no evidence that he was a "left wing extremist." They did, however, widely report that he was black.

Skenderbeg wrote:we never hear the words left wing or radicals when the killers are black by the media or the politically correct.

Primarily because most black crime has nothing to do with politics. Politics gets reported when politics are relevant.

But secondarily, we do. You're just not paying attention.

Left Wing Extremism: The Current Threat


yes i can see my comment below, i said left wing, because his friends who are marching in the streets are radical left wing supporters of this cold blooded cop killer, thankfully i dont need glasses yet :nono:

my point is simple u had 3 cops killed by a white guy two weeks earlier u had 4 cops killed by a black guy
and blacks are in the streets marching in support of him i have yet to see a single person marching in the
streets for the so called right wing killer. the media loves to use fear and play up anything it can lable
right wing extremist even when its a lone nut case like this young kid....


the media could play the same game with black killers and their supporters
like the marches in this case,but of the course the media will never come out and
say black radical racist support cop killer.

by the way you ever notice white extremist more often then not are athiest :-|
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Re: The one and only Obama thread ( continued)

Postby The Cat » Mon Apr 13, 2009 10:30 pm

More on Orly Taitz

http://www.city-data.com/forum/election ... d-101.html
The integrity of any accuser who is posting "press releases," illegally collecting donations and filing numerous frivolous harassment lawsuits should be questioned. And currently, Taitz is under investigation by the California State Bar Association. She's never had a client except herself and her family, until she started the Obama conspiracy suits. She gives her dental office address as the address of her law office, lol, and calls her practice "Appealing Dentistry." Sounds like a wacky sitcom. (...)

Besides all the lies she's perpetrated about the President, her own background is questionable. She claims on her website that she's a Realtor. A check of the CA real estate licensing bureau proves she lost her license years ago and was never a Realtor, a special designation given to those who meet certain standards to join, and swear to abide by the rules of professional responsibility of the National Board of Realtors.

She claims she "escaped from the Soviet Union 20 years ago"
Yet she married Yosef Taitz in in Las Vegas May 02, 1987
and both claimed to be California residents.

Nevada Marriage Index, 1956-2005
Name: Orly Averbuch
Gender: Female
Residence State: California
Spouse: Yosef Taitz
Spouse residence state: California
Marriage Date: 2 May 1987
Recorded date: 21 May 1987

Why did it take so long to record the marriage? (from May 2 to May 21) Were they really in Russia and had someone lie about it to Nevada officials to fake citizenry??? There is no record of her immigration, arrival in USA or naturalization, although records for those events are publicly available for the years from her birth (08/30/1960) through present day. She is not listed in the CA voter registration either. Nor in the Russian citizen archives. (see ancestry.com) In fact, the earliest record available for either her or her husband is the 1987 marriage, followed by the birth of 3 anchor babies, Isaac Yitzhak Taitz, 14 Jul 1989, Benjamin Samuel Taitz,7 Oct 1991, Ronald Michaeladam Taitz, 3 Sep 1993.

When she registered Ronald's birth she gave her maiden name as Auerbuch instead of Averbuch. What is she hiding and what is her real name??? How many alias's does she have? Was she a Russian mail order bride? Well, there's no record of Yosef being born here, either, nor any immigration/naturalization record. It's like the Taitz's did not exist before 1987. Perhaps "they" didn't.

Also in 1987, Yosef and 2 men with PHDs opened Daylight Chemical Information Company, (they do business with China!) with Yosef as CEO even though he has no degree listed in his bio. Daylight>About Clearly he was the money behind the business while they had the know-how. Is this how he bought his way into America? Where is all the money coming from?

Orly claims to have her dental degree from Hebrew University, Jerusalem Israel. But she wasn't licensed to practice dentistry until 1989, when she was having babies in California. So when did she go to Israel? Did she buy a fake degree, (that would explain why there are so many malpractice suits against her) or did she really grow up in Israel, not Russia? That would certainly explain her bigotry towards Muslims, but she is not listed with the alumni at HUJI. Russian Jews were allowed to emigrate to Israel, but that blows her claim of "escaping." Hmm! What is the truth? This woman's stories just don't add up!

Who are these people who live with her? Garciacleek, Dawn (Age 49) Averbuch; Aaron, Moradkhani, Joura G (Age 71); Cleek, Dennis J (Age 48); Moradkhani, Jaura Gnnnora (Age 37); Moradkhani, Joel A (Age 37) They have foreign names! None of them have a "history" either, outside of being listed as living at her address. Illegal domestic workers? The Israeli equivalent of a Jihad cell?

Her "law degree" comes from an unaccredited online correspondence school, (Howard Taft) State Bar of CA :: Orly Taitz and rumor has it, she paid someone to take the Bar exam in her name. Taft doesn't even require an LSAT score for admission; it's open to anyone with the cash. Why doesn't Orly show her LSAT score and college transcripts? They must be really bad if she couldn't get into an accredited school. (...)

Where did she and Yosef get all the money to come to America, buy college degrees, several businesses and much expensive property? (see OC recorder for huge list of deeds in their names) They show up suddenly in America with no paper trail, right around the time when the Soviet Union was starting to unravel. Could they be leaders in the Communist Party, assuming new names and fleeing before the fall?

This lack of records is very suspicious and disturbing. We need to see their birth certificates and immigration and naturalization papers. They could be illegal alien Communists on a mission to destroy America. Notice how gleefully she announced on her website that she was able to get some states to declare sovereignty, and said she hoped for another civil war. (...)

Does she need your donations because her mortgage is upside down, or to settle all those malpractic lawsuits? Speaking of taxes, according to the Orange County Recorders office online, they are TAX CHEATS. The California Franchise Tax Board filed a tax lien on them, which was recently settled.

Your hero gal is looks an illegal alien Communist tax cheat gypsy con artist. Unless you produce the birth certificate, immigration and naturalization papers, LSAT score, school records and transcripts, charitable foundation license for "Defend Our Freedoms Foundation" and billing records for all her Obama lawsuits you have no business posting any so-called "news" about this woman and her looney adventures, which is just your ploy to get people to click your links to her website so she can proclaim increased viewership.

See how easy it is to start a conspiracy and cast doubt on a person? And this is done with true facts from online public records, whereas the Obama conspiracy has nothing to back it up, just rumors that grow as they get passed from nutcase to nutcase.
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Re: The one and only Obama thread ( continued)

Postby Mindstorm » Mon Apr 13, 2009 10:48 pm

‘Comparable Worth’ Rears Ugly Head in the Age of Obama

April 12, 2009 - by Jennifer Rubin

Ronald Reagan called the government scheme of determining pay structures for private industry a "cockamamie idea."

There are some public policy ideas that won’t die — no matter how bad they are. One of these is “comparable worth.” It is built on the misguided policy notion that there is a gap in pay between men and women that cannot be accounted for except by subtle gender discrimination. And it survives by confusing the public that the only goal is to assure men and women performing the same work are paid “equally.”

The basic idea behind comparable worth is that the government will determine which jobs are “comparable” — a truck driver and a school teacher, a welder and a nurse — and mandate that they should be paid equally. The theory is that those sneaky schools and hospitals evade the free marketplace in determining wages, taking advantage and “undervaluing” those jobs with higher percentages of female employees. Government will sort all that out and restore “gender fairness.” The CEO of the Center for Equal Opportunity, Roger Clegg, writing in 2008 reminds us:

President Ronald Reagan correctly called comparable worth “a cockamamie idea.” A great lesson of economic theory, not to mention historical experience, is that government-set wages and prices not only curtail freedom, but lead to shortages, surpluses and market disruptions.


The goal is a government-controlled system of wage controls which mandates which jobs have the same intrinsic value as others and requires employers to rework their wage scales or face unrelenting litigation. What administration could be in favor of such pervasive meddling in the private sector? Well, this bad idea may have found a home in the Obama administration, which has no problem directing private firms’ compensation and determining which employees are receiving “excessive” payment for their labor.

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And liberal women’s groups are already agitating for more action from the Obama administration. So it would be quite understandable if the president would take up this cause, particularly as other agenda items stall and his special interest supporters lament the lack of progress on everything from card check to cap-and-trade.

The Obama administration is certainly sympathetic to the notion that the free market is “broken” and that compensation is somehow not subject to competitive forces. So it would, in some ways, be entirely natural for them to take up the cause of “finally fixing” gender inequality in the U.S. The result would be a gift to the trial lawyers — but, come to think of it, rewarding a favorite Democratic political ally would only add to its allure.

Those who fear further politicization of the economy and the spread of rampant litigation should remain vigilant. Comparable worth is a bad idea which may find a willing advocate in the current administration. It is a bad idea that might just have found its time.
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Re: The one and only Obama thread ( continued)

Postby THHuxley » Tue Apr 14, 2009 4:19 am

Skenderbeg wrote:yes i can see my comment below, i said left wing, because his friends who are marching in the streets are radical left wing supporters of this cold blooded cop killer, thankfully i dont need glasses yet

And you find that a reason that makes sense? The guy is dead. He was a criminal. You have no idea what his politics were. The reaction of certain idiots afterward reflects entirely on them. Not on the dead guy.

Skenderbeg wrote:my point is simple u had 3 cops killed by a white guy two weeks earlier u had 4 cops killed by a black guy
and blacks are in the streets marching in support of him i have yet to see a single person marching in the
streets for the so called right wing killer.

That was your point? Who could possibly have guessed from your post? Your post appeared to be about the labels "right wing" versus "left wing." I guess we all need to go back and brush up on our mind reading. Or maybe, you should stop to figure out what the point you want to make really is before you post something that has nothing to do with it.

Now.... lets put aside for a moment the behavior of people after these two sets of cops were killed, and talk instead about the behavior of people before these two sets of cops were killed.

Today we have a small but energetic group of right wing (I'll use conservative talk show host Michael Medved's name for them) nutburgers actively advocating civil war and the military overthrow of our constitutionally elected government. They are actively supporting their advocacy with a campaign of racist propaganda, primarily via the Internet.

This "lone nut case" as you call him (who, based on the public comments of his like minded friends, seems patently not "alone") was copying and pasting that propaganda all over the web before he finally chose to act on it.

Skenderbeg wrote:the media could play the same game with black killers and their supporters

Not if their intention was to be truthful.

Skenderbeg wrote:by the way you ever notice white extremist more often then not are athiest :-|

No... because it is absolutely not true. White extremists are by a vast majority conservative Christians.

The vast majority rely on ideas that originated in conservative Protestantism, albeit sometimes these ideas have been so distorted that they would be rejected by mainstream evangelicals. No organization has the power to enforce a clear religious orthodoxy. Nevertheless, some family resemblances do appear among the various religious concerns.

For example, those on the radical right tend to be biblical literalists for whom scripture speaks to both the problems of daily life and the dilemmas of politics. They also tend to be millennialists who believe we are living in the end-time foretold in the Boo]< of Revelation. From literalism and millennialism other beliefs branch out. The belief that the Bible takes precedence over any command of government is shared with people of very different political persuasions, including some on the left. On the right, however, such "higher law" arguments become the basis not for civil disobedience but for armed confrontation with the state. Thus they become an essential part of the argument that militias use to defend their existence and define their role.

Right-wing higher law ideas are more likely to produce confrontational outcomes precisely because they are linked to a millenarian-apocalyptic view of history. The radical right sees itself standing at a kind of historical cul-de-sac. The world is running out of time. Most Protestant millenarians are adherents of dispensationalism, and they assert that believers need not fear the violence and conflict (the "tribulation") at the end of history, for the saved will be rescued in the "rapture"-lifted off the earth to dwell with Christ in heaven until the Second Coming. Most people on the radical right do not believe they will be rescued, however. They consider the rapture a theological error. They believe the saved must remain on earth during the seven years of the tribulation that will precede the Second Coming. During this time of persecution and upheaval, they must find some way to survive.

http://www.religion-online.org/showarticle.asp?title=98
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Re: The one and only Obama thread ( continued)

Postby piggy » Tue Apr 14, 2009 6:52 am

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Worm is turning................

"The 2nd American Revolution will 'Muster on the Green' in Lexington, MA on HALLOWED GROUND where the First Battle of the 1st American Revolutionary War began on April 19, 1775 to Reaffirm our OATH to support and defend our U.S. Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic...so help us GOD"

Captain John Parker, Commanding Office of the Lexington MA, Militia formed his Militia on the Lexington Green to resist the British and this is where OUR 1st American Revolution began with "The shot heard around the world."

americanrevwar.homestead.com/files/LEXCON.HTM

Hundreds of active-duty military, National Guard, Army, Navy, Marine, Air Force, Coast Guard Reserves, Merchant Marines, military veterans and peace officers will 'Muster on the Green' to ensure "Our voices will be heard around the world" on this anniversary, 19 APRIL 2009 at 3TongM-6TongM, 234 years after the 1st American Revolution. BE THERE!

We, ALL American Patriots, pray that ALL of us who have sworn to support and defend our U.S. Constitution will accomplish our mission without bloodshed! Vigilance is the order of the day!

The United States of America is the only country in the world to keep and bear arms (LEGALLY) for preservation of ourselves, our families and our property according to the 2nd Amendment…’the last hope for mankind’!

The Obama administration and AG Holder are using every unconstitutional approach to force Americans to surrender their weapons and be confiscated by bogus laws to register their weapons.

This is the same tactic used by the British Army in Boston in 1775 and every other country has used this procedure to confiscate the weapons of the citizens! Bad people never give up their weapons! This form of governance is insanity!

Stewart Rhodes, founder of the Oath Keepers, has been invited to speak by the Committee of Safety at this event.

http://www.committeesofsafety.org/ (info on Lexington, MA, Mustering on the Green)

href="www.resistnet.com/group/oathkeepers">http" rel="nofollow">www.resistnet.com/group/oathkeepers">http://www.resistnet.com/group/oathkeepers (Hang your hat here!)

www.resistnet.com/.../american-patriot-thomas-paine

www.resistnet.com/.../2nd-american-revolution-has

http://www.resistnet.com/video/dont-tread-on-me-2

http://www.article5.org/ (100 Senators, 435 Representatives, 535 members of Congress, the AG and the Supreme Court Authorizes Congress to IGNORE our U.S. CONSTITUTION!?/?!?) The whole government is corrupt


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Re: The one and only Obama thread ( continued)

Postby piggy » Tue Apr 14, 2009 7:02 am

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'The Socialist Marxist State of North America' ............ coming to a precinct near YOU!

The Treasury Department's Titanic Takeover
by DefendUSx April 13, 2009 10:28

Written by Charles Scaliger of The New American

It's official: the Obama administration intends to nationalize the entire financial sector. If there were any lingering doubts as to the intentions of President Barack Obama and Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner, they were dispelled by an announcement on March 26 detailing the Treasury Department's new "framework for regulatory reform."

"Regulatory reform" is a favorite Beltway euphemism for bigger, more expensive, and more intrusive government. The new Treasury plan should be styled more accurately "Blueprint for a massive new federal power grab," because that's precisely what it is. Such power grabs are usually accomplished under the camouflage of crisis, when public emotions — and the widespread sentiment that government should "do something" — are easily exploited.

And the Obama administration has been only too happy to take advantage of the turbulence, with dire warnings laying the groundwork for an expansion of federal power the likes of which America has not seen since the New Deal.

"Over the past 18 months, we have faced the most severe global financial crisis in generations," Treasury Secretary Geithner told the House Financial Services Committee. "To address this will require comprehensive reform. Not modest repairs at the margin, but new rules of the game."

Nationalize the Entire Financial Sector

True to Secretary Geithner's words, the new Treasury plan contemplates "reform" in four general areas, to wit: "addressing systemic risk," "protecting consumers and investors," "eliminating gaps in our regulatory structure," and "fostering international coordination." The plan has not yet been fully fleshed out, but such scraps of information that the Obama Treasury has seen fit to make public are evidence enough of the end that the Obama administration has in mind: effective nationalization of the entire financial sector. By the time the "gaps in our regulatory structure" have been plugged, the freedom to make financial transactions, large and small, free of federal government oversight, will be gone.

Nor will there be any refuge overseas, if Obama and his like-minded associates overseas — Britain's Gordon Brown, for example — have their way. "International coordination" means that new U.S. financial regulations will be harmonized with those of the EU and other major economic powers, and brought under the authority of an international organ, presumably the IMF.

At the April 2 meeting in Great Britain of the G20, the top action items included new powers and reserves for the IMF and a global clampdown on tax havens, hedge funds, and bank secrecy — precisely the kinds of things that Timothy Geithner and his counterparts overseas are demanding. According to Britain's Finance Secretary Stephen Timms, "the era of banking secrecy is over."

In point of fact, the era of financial secrecy of any kind will be over if the Treasury plan, or even a reasonable facsimile thereof, is voted into law by Congress. "Transparency" — another delicious Beltway euphemism, meaning total government surveillance — will be the order of the day, with few financial transactions more complex than putting a quarter in a gumball machine exempt from the Federal Government's all-seeing eye.

Just one of the four areas of contemplated reform — addressing systemic risk — was described in any detail in the Treasury's press release, but it was a fair indicator of things to come. The Treasury intends to create a new regulatory body with responsibility for determining which firms are large or interconnected enough to pose "systemic risk." This body will have the authority to decree which firms are "systemically important" and to exert controls over systems of payment and the disposition of derivatives, those pesky financial innovations devised in the first place to dilute systemic risk that government regulations had imposed on financial transactions like mortgages. Firms deemed "systemically important" will be subject to rigorous new regulatory requirements for capital reserves and credit risk management. All hedge funds larger than an asset threshold to be determined will be registered and subjected to detailed federal scrutiny.

OTC (over-the-counter, or privately traded) derivatives will also be brought under Big Brother's benevolent oversight. "In our proposed regulatory framework, the government will regulate the markets for credit default swaps and over-the-counter derivatives for the first time," the Treasury proposal explained. The proposal went on in smugly dictatorial cadences to describe the coming regime:

We will subject all dealers in OTC derivative markets to a strong regulatory and supervisory regime as systemically important firms.... We will force all standardized OTC derivative contracts to be cleared through appropriately designed central counterparties (CCPs).... We will require that all non-standardized derivatives contracts report to trade repositories and be subject to robust standards for documentation and confirmation of trades; netting; collateral and margin practices; and close-out practices.... Central counter-parties and trade repositories will be required to make aggregate data on trading volumes and positions available to the public and make individual counterparty trade and position data available on a confidential basis to appropriate federal regulators.... Finally, we will apply robust eligibility requirements and, where appropriate, standards of care; and will require that they meet recordkeeping and reporting requirements. [Emphasis added.]

It doesn't take a Ph.D. in finance or an expertise in the arcane of derivatives to understand what is happening here. OTC derivatives, an innovative new financial sector in which transactions are private and entirely voluntarily, are to be transformed into yet another compliant arm of FedGov-directed financial activity. Henceforth the federal government will oversee all such transactions and will determine, in its allegedly superior wisdom, whether or not such voluntary transactions are permitted.

In addition, the Treasury proposal contemplates strengthening the regulation of money-market funds and setting up an FDIC-like guarantor of last resort — to be paid for by those systemically-important firms coerced into accepting its coverage.

All of this may seem unimportant to the man on the street, applicable only to the rarefied upper atmosphere of high finance. But it is the activities of the hedge fund and money-market fund managers, the stockbrokers, the currency traders, the dealers in derivatives, and other prime movers in the world of finance, that help to determine the values of retirement portfolios and other assets near and dear to the American middle class. And the engine that has powered American economic and financial growth has always been voluntary, free-market exchange. Government intrusion into such activities always and everywhere hampers the market and encourages misallocation of resources.

Fallacy: The Economy Can Be Managed

The entire Treasury plan, along with all the other half-baked attempts to reform or bail out "the financial system" perpetrated by this and the preceding administration, is based on an almost-universally accepted fallacy, namely, that the economy is a "system" that must be managed for optimal performance. But the economy, including the financial sector, is not a system like a man-made electrical grid or even a natural phenomenon like the solar system. Those systems, whether man-made or natural, operate according to laws that allow any observer to predict future states.

But an economy is something altogether different. It is less a system than a spontaneous order. While it obeys the laws of human action, it is impossible to predict future states because the economy itself is constantly in flux. The countless billions of decisions made each moment by economic actors (people) are impossible to quantify, and their future consequences impossible to predict. The most that can be said about the spontaneous order of free market economic activity is that it will bring about dramatic improvements in the human condition if not interfered with.

Nor is a free-market economy fragile or unstable by nature, despite what politicians are wont to claim. The fragility and instability that have brought about the recent meltdown are consequences of government mismanagement, not defects in the inherently self-regulating free market.

The extent that we have an economic or financial "system" at all is a direct consequence of interfering in the workings of the market, of trying to micromanage and predict outcomes for something that is neither manageable nor predictable. The "system" is not the market itself but the web of regulations and controls that know-it-all federal regulators — like Geithner — have foisted on banks, investment houses, insurance companies, and the rest of the financial sector. That this system has failed so spectacularly is now being touted as an excuse to impose another, more severe system of controls that may well squelch free market financial operations altogether.

As for the "systemic risk" that Geithner wants to reduce, the Byzantine complexity of modern finance has come about primarily as the market has tried to find innovative ways of avoiding the regulatory burden, unnatural levels of risk, and moral hazard imposed by government interference. Much-maligned "credit default swaps" and similar derivatives, for example, were created to dilute the irrational levels of risk introduced by the federal government's compelling of banks to loan to high-risk borrowers. "Hedge funds," which the Treasury now intends to bring under the malignant umbrella of federal regulation and oversight, came about as the wealthy sought to put their money where the grasping hand of government could not confiscate or control it. Absent the efforts of government everywhere to control financial activity, market forces would have tended towards greater transparency, as interest rates and lending found natural levels.

In this same spirit, the Treasury's plan for "protecting consumers and investors" means "making more regulations to relieve consumers and investors of the responsibility of making informed choices and accepting the consequences of risk." Few Americans would buy a car or household appliance without doing a lot of research and comparison shopping. This is because, if we spend our money on things that don't work, we know that we have no one to blame but ourselves. If we have genuinely been cheated, the courts provide recourse.

But very few do much research before plunking their savings into a bank account or mutual fund. The most that consumers typically think to ask is how much interest will be paid. But because we know (or think we know) that the government will guarantee our bank accounts and keep an eagle eye on investment houses, we almost never trouble ourselves to check the books of the banks and investment houses.

Free Market Is Better Than Regulation

In reality, the free market is a much better watchdog than government could ever be. This is not to say that fraud will never occur absent government regulation. The infamous Ponzi scheme run by the Swedish "match king" Ivar Kreuger in the early years of the Great Depression defrauded individuals and entire countries of hundreds of millions of dollars. Yet in our day, a modern Ivar Kreuger, Bernie Madoff, accomplished a similar feat under the very noses of supposedly watchful federal regulators. In point of fact, a private financial analyst, Harry Markopolos, informed the SEC back in 1999 that Madoff was likely a con man, since the returns on investment he was claiming were mathematically implausible. But the SEC refused to get involved, despite repeated warnings from Markopolos spanning a number of years. Do we really need more of the kind of protection that the SEC gave to Madoff's victims?

The new Treasury plan is riddled with the sorts of conceits that Big Government know-it-alls love. It is founded in the inane notion that government overseers can somehow successfully micromanage the free market with its trillions of independent decisions every day. Like other such Big Government conceits, it will both diminish human liberty and stifle market productivity and innovation.

Not only that, the entire Treasury plan is completely unconstitutional. Nothing in the original Constitution was intended to give the federal government carte blanche to nationalize financial operations as it sees fit. But the lack of constitutional legitimacy has never troubled the Beltway know-it-alls in the past, and it doesn't bother them now.

The new Treasury proposal amounts to illegitimate nationalization of the nation's finances in everything but name, the culmination of a decades-long process that began in the 1930s with the creation of the SEC, the FDIC, and other first-generation financial command-and-control systems. Now that the regimentation of the once-free financial markets has failed so spectacularly, Obama, Geithner, and company are proposing to cap decades of federal mismanagement by a financial power grab unexampled in American history, and complete the work begun by Herbert Hoover and FDR.


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Re: The one and only Obama thread ( continued)

Postby piggy » Tue Apr 14, 2009 7:28 am

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Obama's Facist Agenda unfolds ................

SHOCKING NEW REPORT! OBAMA'S REAL TERRORISTS: TARGETING PATRIOTS AND THE RIGHT
by DefendUSx April 12, 2009 22:05

Atlas Shrugs reports the following. WND has also carried allot of these shocking details.

First, let me say this, Obama should know it is not just "right wingers" that think his policies are radical and are onto Obama's plans for Socialism/Marxism/Communism. Democrats and Indpendents alike have also voiced strong concern for his hap-hazard spending, wreckless decisions, secrecy, muslim affiliations/beliefs (including ties to Saudi Arabia, Iran, Lebanon and Pakistan). blatent lieing, and last but not least - his eligibility to be President of these United States.

I will also say the greatest threat to the United States is Treason from within stemming from Radical Islam and New World Order Puppet objectives.

Have you seen this? It is the fascist blueprint to create a police state and legalize gulags. This is not a spoof. This is Obama's "civilian army's" MOB. (hat tip the Rockman)

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(U) Key Findings (U//LES) The DHS/Office of Intelligence and Analysis (I&A) has no specific information that domestic rightwing* terrorists are currently planning acts of violence, but rightwing extremists may be gaining new recruits by playing on their fears about several emergent issues. The economic downturn and the election of the first African American president present unique drivers for rightwing radicalization and recruitment.

Translation: There is no threat. Give us time, we'll create one.

— (U//LES) Threats from white supremacist and violent antigovernment groups during 2009 have been largely rhetorical and have not indicated plans to carry out violent acts. Nevertheless, the consequences of a prolonged economic downturn—including real estate foreclosures, unemployment, and an inability to obtain credit—could create a fertile recruiting environment for rightwing extremists and even result in confrontations between such groups and government authorities similar to those in the past.

Translation: There is no threat. Give us time, we'll create one.

(U//FOUO) The current economic and political climate has some similarities to the 1990s when rightwing extremism experienced a resurgence fueled largely by an economic recession, criticism about the outsourcing of jobs, and the perceived threat to U.S. power and sovereignty by other foreign powers.

American sovereignty is a radical position now?

— (U//FOUO) During the 1990s, these issues contributed to the growth in the number of domestic rightwing terrorist and extremist groups and an increase in violent acts targeting government facilities, law enforcement officers, banks, and infrastructure sectors.

Sounds like they are describing Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn, Obama's great friends and terrorist patriots!~

— (U//FOUO) Growth of these groups subsided in reaction to increased government scrutiny as a result of the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing and disrupted plots, improvements in the economy, and the continued U.S. standing as the preeminent world power.

Here they go again, pulling that 15 year old canard out of their ass (while neglecting to point out McVeigh's Middle Eastern connections. [Tom has more on the al qaeda connection too]. Their evidence is one terror attack 15 years ago -- but fail to mention the 13,000 Islamic attacks since 9/11. Got that?

(U//FOUO) The possible passage of new restrictions on firearms and the return of military veterans facing significant challenges reintegrating into their communities could lead to the potential emergence of terrorist groups or lone wolf extremists capable of carrying out violent attacks.

Ah, there it is. take their guns away. Jail'em if they disagree.

— (U//FOUO) Proposed imposition of firearms restrictions and weapons bans likely would attract new members into the ranks of rightwing extremist groups, as well as potentially spur some of them to begin planning and training for violence against the government. The high volume of purchases and stockpiling of weapons and ammunition by rightwing extremists in anticipation of restrictions and bans in some parts of the country continue to be a primary concern to law enforcement. —

Ban? What ban? This is a staging. Fake staging to seize weapons.

(U//FOUO) Returning veterans possess combat skills and experience that are attractive to rightwing extremists. DHS/I&A is concerned that rightwing extremists will attempt to recruit and radicalize returning veterans in order to boost their violent capabilities.

Radicalize the nation's greatest patriots. Are you seeing this? The only radicalization happening on a national/global scale is Islamic jihad. Our vets????

(U) Current Economic and Political Climate

(U//FOUO) DHS/I&A assesses that a number of economic and political factors are driving a resurgence in rightwing extremist recruitment and radicalization activity. Despite similarities to the climate of the 1990s, the threat posed by lone wolves and small terrorist cells is more pronounced than in past years. In addition, the historical election of an African American president and the prospect of policy changes are proving to be a driving force for rightwing extremist recruitment and radicalization. —

There he goes again. Playing the race card again. Racism was dead in this country. It is Obama's objective to create a divisive schism in this country. The country ain't buying it. We, as a nation, elected him. Racism charge dead.

(U) A recent example of the potential violence associated with a rise in rightwing extremism may be found in the shooting deaths of three police officers in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, on 4 April 2009. The alleged gunman’s reaction reportedly was influenced by his racist ideology and belief in antigovernment conspiracy theories related to gun confiscations, citizen detention camps, and a Jewish-controlled “one world government.”

One friggin nut and they will try to change the constitution. Thousands of Islamic attacks, honor killings, clitorectomies, shariah law, child marriage, child slavery, human slavery, lashings -- deduce nothing! And should you mention any of these things -- you are a racist and Islamophobe.

As a Jew, this nut does not worry me. There will always be nuts - exceptions make bad law.

Where does this report address the thousands of acts of lone jihad syndrome, here and abroad? Suicide or otherwise?

(U) Exploiting Economic Downturn

(U//FOUO) Rightwing extremist chatter on the Internet continues to focus on the economy, the perceived loss of U.S. jobs in the manufacturing and construction sectors, and home foreclosures. Anti-Semitic extremists attribute these losses to a deliberate conspiracy conducted by a cabal of Jewish “financial elites.” These “accusatory” tactics are employed to draw new recruits into rightwing extremist groups and further radicalize those already subscribing to extremist beliefs. DHS/I&A assesses this trend is likely to accelerate if the economy is perceived to worsen.

They are using the Jews. Most if not all of the recent spate of anti-semitic attacks here and abroad were committed by Muslims. FACT.

(U//FOUO) Perceptions on Poverty and Radicalization

(U//FOUO) Scholars and experts disagree over poverty’s role in motivating violent radicalization or terrorist activity. High unemployment, however, has the potential to lead to alienation, thus increasing an individual’s susceptibility to extremist ideas. According to a 2007 study from the German Institute for Economic Research, there appears to be a strong association between a parent’s unemployment status and the formation of rightwing extremist beliefs in their children—specifically xenophobia and antidemocratic ideals. ownership and use. Rightwing extremists are increasingly galvanized by these concerns and leverage them as drivers for recruitment. From the 2008 election timeframe to the present, rightwing extremists have capitalized on related racial and political prejudices in expanded propaganda campaigns, thereby reaching out to a wider audience of potential sympathizers. —

Translation: Anyone who believes in immigration control and reform is an extremist. This is the club to the head of any resistance to shamnesty.

The German Institute? WTF? Who the hell are they and why should we care?

(U//LES) Most statements by rightwing extremists have been rhetorical, expressing concerns about the election of the first African American president, but stopping short of calls for violent action. In two instances in the run-up to the election, extremists appeared to be in the early planning stages of some threatening activity targeting the Democratic nominee, but law enforcement interceded.

Never happened. Look at history. Recent assassination attempts have been by leftopaths (Squeaky), commies (Oswald) and nuts (Hinckley).

(U) Revisiting the 1990s

(U//FOUO) Paralleling the current national climate, rightwing extremists during the 1990s exploited a variety of social issues and political themes to increase group visibility and recruit new members. Prominent among these themes were the militia movement’s opposition to gun control efforts, criticism of free trade agreements (particularly those with Mexico), and highlighting perceived government infringement on civil liberties as well as white supremacists’ longstanding exploitation of social issues such as abortion, inter-racial crimes, and same-sex marriage.

Abortion, gay marriage and racism -- the inane drone of the left. I have been to these rallies and let me tell you - the proponents of gay marriage, abortion and "racism canards" are the violent ones. Every time.

(U) Economic Hardship and Extremism

(U//FOUO) Historically, domestic rightwing extremists have feared, predicted, and anticipated a cataclysmic economic collapse in the United States. Prominent antigovernment conspiracy theorists have incorporated aspects of an impending economic collapse to intensify fear and paranoia among like-minded individuals and to attract recruits during times of economic uncertainty. Conspiracy theories involving declarations of martial law, impending civil strife or racial conflict, suspension of the U.S. Constitution, and the creation of citizen detention camps often incorporate aspects of a failed economy. Antigovernment conspiracy theories and “end times” prophecies could motivate extremist individuals and groups to stockpile food, ammunition, and weapons. These teachings also have been linked with the radicalization of domestic extremist individuals and groups in the past, such as violent Christian Identity organizations and extremist members of the militia movement

Obama has set about to bankrupt this nation with a nine trillion rip off of the national treasury. The bankrupting of the hardworking to pay off his thug political machine and his thug army. Any great American (think tea parties) who dissents will be targeted.

Page 5 of 9 (U) Illegal Immigration

(U//FOUO) Rightwing extremists were concerned during the 1990s with the perception that illegal immigrants were taking away American jobs through their willingness to work at significantly lower wages. They also opposed free trade agreements, arguing that these arrangements resulted in Americans losing jobs to countries such as Mexico.

(U//FOUO) Over the past five years, various rightwing extremists, including militias and white supremacists, have adopted the immigration issue as a call to action, rallying point, and recruiting tool. Debates over appropriate immigration levels and enforcement policy generally fall within the realm of protected political speech under the First Amendment, but in some cases, anti-immigration or strident pro-enforcement fervor has been directed against specific groups and has the potential to turn violent.

Obama wants shamnesty. Obama wants to open up the flood gates, have ACORN register them to vote - overwhelm the electorate with entitlement voters. The end the will of the American people - the end of fair elections.

(U//FOUO) DHS/I&A assesses that rightwing extremist groups’ frustration over a perceived lack of government action on illegal immigration has the potential to incite individuals or small groups toward violence. If such violence were to occur, it likely would be isolated, small-scale, and directed at specific immigration-related targets. —

Check out the word "perceived" - the fact that the government is doing nothing is beside the point, right? The reference "directed at specific immigration-related targets" refers to Binghamton -- and my sources tell me, Binghamton was not a lone gunman -- was not a guy who was pissed because he lost his job. My sources tell me there were supposed to me more. It was retaliation in that Muslim enclave.
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Page 6 of 9 — (U//FOUO) On the current front, legislation has been proposed this year requiring mandatory registration of all firearms in the United States. Similar legislation was introduced in 2008 in several states proposing mandatory tagging and registration of ammunition. It is unclear if either bill will be passed into law; nonetheless, a correlation may exist between the potential passage of gun control legislation and increased hoarding of ammunition, weapons stockpiling, and paramilitary training activities among rightwing extremists.

Gun control. Period.

(U) Perceived Threat from Rise of Other Countries

(U//FOUO) Rightwing extremist paranoia of foreign regimes could escalate or be magnified in the event of an economic crisis or military confrontation, harkening back to the “New World Order” conspiracy theories of the 1990s. The dissolution of Communist countries in Eastern Europe and the end of the Soviet Union in the 1990s led some rightwing extremists to believe that a “New World Order” would bring about a world government that would usurp the sovereignty of the United States and its Constitution, thus infringing upon their liberty. The dynamics in 2009 are somewhat similar, as other countries, including China, India, and Russia, as well as some smaller, oil-producing states, are experiencing a rise in economic power and influence. —

Soros got his ............

(U//FOUO) Lone Wolves and Small Terrorist Cells

(U//FOUO) DHS/I&A assesses that lone wolves and small terrorist cells embracing violent rightwing extremist ideology are the most dangerous domestic terrorism threat in the United States. Information from law enforcement and nongovernmental organizations indicates lone wolves and small terrorist cells have shown intent—and, in some cases, the capability—to commit violent acts. —

"Lone wolves and "terror cells" embracing rightwing ideology are the most "dangerous domestic terrorism threat to the United States"?

This document poses the most dangerous threat to these great United States.

(U//LES) DHS/I&A has concluded that white supremacist lone wolves pose the most significant domestic terrorist threat because of their low profile and autonomy—separate from any formalized group—which hampers warning efforts. —

(U//FOUO) Similarly, recent state and municipal law enforcement reporting has warned of the dangers of rightwing extremists embracing the tactics of “leaderless resistance” and of lone wolves carrying out acts of violence. —

(U//FOUO) Arrests in the past several years of radical militia members in Alabama, Arkansas, and Pennsylvania on firearms, explosives, and other related violations indicates the emergence of small, well-armed extremist groups in some rural areas. ordnance that they planned to use in attacks on nearby military and federal facilities and infrastructure targets. —

(U//FOUO) Rightwing extremist views bemoan the decline of U.S. stature and have recently focused on themes such as the loss of U.S. manufacturing capability to China and India, Russia’s control of energy resources and use of these to pressure other countries, and China’s investment in U.S. real estate and corporations as a part of subversion strategy.

Rightwing extremist views bemoan the decline of U.S. stature? LIE. Obama fallaciously preaches about the decline of US stature us right wing Patriots know better.

Obama and his minions cannot demoralize Americans who love this country. Not possible. His Alinsky rules for radicals will not work on thinking, rational men and women.

(U) Disgruntled Military Veterans

The only disgruntled military are the ones that were forced to applaud the traitor in the White House.

(U) After Operation Desert Shield/Storm in 1990-1991, some returning military veterans—including Timothy McVeigh—joined or associated with rightwing extremist groups. —

He hates the military.

[...]

(U//FOUO) Unlike the earlier period, the advent of the Internet and other informationage technologies since the 1990s has given domestic extremists greater access to information related to bomb-making, weapons training, and tactics, as well as targeting of individuals, organizations, and facilities, potentially making extremist individuals and groups more dangerous and the consequences of their violence more severe. New technologies also permit domestic extremists to send and receive encrypted communications and to network with other extremists throughout the country and abroad, making it much more difficult for law enforcement to deter, prevent, or preempt a violent extremist attack.

(U//FOUO) A number of law enforcement actions and external factors were effective in limiting the militia movement during the 1990s and could be utilized in today’s climate. —

(U//FOUO) Following the 1995 bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah federal building in Oklahoma City, the militia movement declined in total membership and in the number of organized groups because many members distanced themselves from the movement as a result of the intense scrutiny militias received after the bombing. —

They have one bombing -- one (with Middle Eastern connections that were suppressed) - and this is the basis of their takeover and coup on the Constitution.

Free men are under siege. Read this document - Department of [undermining] Homeland Security.

(U//FOUO) Militia membership continued to decline after the turn of the millennium as a result of law enforcement disruptions of multiple terrorist plots linked to violent rightwing extremists, new legislation banning paramilitary training, and militia frustration that the “revolution” never materialized. —

(U//FOUO) Although the U.S. economy experienced a significant recovery and many perceived a concomitant rise in U.S. standing in the world, white supremacist groups continued to experience slight growth.

(U//FOUO) DHS/I&A will be working with its state and local partners over the next several months to ascertain with greater regional specificity the rise in rightwing extremist activity in the United States, with a particular emphasis on the political, economic, and social factors that drive rightwing extremist radicalization.


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Re: The one and only Obama thread ( continued)

Postby piggy » Tue Apr 14, 2009 8:49 am

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Dedicated to those who have the intelligence to see the enemy within that is Barack Hussein Obama ......

"A nation can survive its' fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and he carries his banners openly. But the traitor moves among those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the galleys, heard in the very hall of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor--He speaks in the accents familiar to his victims, and wears their face and their garment, and he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation--he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of a city--he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to be feared."Cicero, 42 B.C., Roman Statesman, orator, and author.



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Re: The one and only Obama thread ( continued)

Postby The Cat » Tue Apr 14, 2009 10:24 am

Is Obama a Socialist (let alone a Marxist)? Let's ask a real socialist!
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Billy Wharton questioned on this by The Washington Post...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 01899.html
Traffic to our Web site multiplied, e-mail inquiries increased and meetings with potential recruits to the Socialist Party yielded more new members than ever before. Socialism -- an idea with a long history -- suddenly seemed to have a bright future in 21st-century America. (...) The funny thing is, of course, that socialists know that Barack Obama is not one of us. Not only is he not a socialist, he may in fact not even be a liberal. Socialists understand him more as a hedge-fund Democrat -- one of a generation of neoliberal politicians firmly committed to free-market policies.

The first clear indication that Obama is not, in fact, a socialist, is the way his administration is avoiding structural changes to the financial system. Nationalization is simply not in the playbook of Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner and his team. (...) The same holds true for health care. (...) ObamaCare would give private health insurance companies license to systematically underinsure policyholders while cashing in on the moral currency of universal coverage. If Obama is a socialist, then on health care, he's doing a fairly good job of concealing it.

Issues of war and peace further weaken the commander in chief's socialist credentials. (...) (Mike) Huckabee is clearly no socialist scholar, and I doubt that any of Obama's policies will someday appear in the annals of socialist history. The president has, however, been assigned the unenviable task of salvaging a capitalist system intent on devouring itself. The question is whether he can do so without addressing the deep inequalities that have become fundamental features of American society. So, President Obama, what I want to know is this: Can you lend legitimacy to a society in which 5 percent of the population controls 85 percent of the wealth? Can you sell a health-care reform package that will only end up enriching a private health insurance industry? Will you continue to favor military spending over infrastructure development and social services?

My guess is that the president will avoid these questions, further confirming that he is not a socialist except, perhaps, in the imaginations of an odd assortment of conservatives. Yet as the unemployment lines grow longer, the food pantries emptier and health care scarcer, socialism may be poised for a comeback in America. The doors of our "socialist cubby-hole" are open to anyone, including Obama. I encourage him to stop by for one of our monthly membership meetings. Be sure to arrive early to get a seat -- we're more popular than ever lately.
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Re: The one and only Obama thread ( continued)

Postby THHuxley » Tue Apr 14, 2009 5:48 pm

piggy wrote:Worm is turning................

You've been saying that for almost a year.

This particular worm is pickled at the bottom of a tequila bottle.
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Re: The one and only Obama thread ( continued)

Postby THHuxley » Tue Apr 14, 2009 5:53 pm

piggy wrote:Dedicated to those who have the intelligence to see the enemy within that is Barack Hussein Obama ......

Not that it is even relevant, but... Cicero was wrong in this instance. Rome survived the "treason from within" of Sulla, of Cataline, of Caesar, of Antonius.... it survived for centuries.

It was eventually destroyed not by "treason from within," but by enemies "at the gates."

Your understanding of history is as narrow as your mind.
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Re: The one and only Obama thread ( continued)

Postby THHuxley » Tue Apr 14, 2009 5:58 pm

piggy wrote:Obama's Facist Agenda unfolds .................

:roflmao:

Leave it to piggy. Who else would defend fascists, skinheads, neonazis, racists and domestic terrorists with that ignorant tagline?

She is a reprehensible human being. I for one am grateful she's in Australia and nowhere nearby where she could give aid and comfort to the next set of folks who decide to bomb a Federal Building.
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Re: The one and only Obama thread ( continued)

Postby THHuxley » Tue Apr 14, 2009 6:49 pm

And the Birthers continue to eat their own young:

From: Orly Taitz
Subject: Ceize and Desist, demand to file a joint FBI complaint
To: "Phil J Berg Esq (pvt)"
Cc: "Orly Taitz"
Date: Sunday, April 12, 2009, 10:01 AM


04.12.09.
Mr. Phillip Berg,

this is to inform you that a few days ago I have forwarded my quo warranto pleadings to Mr. John Hemenway, since he agreed to be my local co-counsel in Washington DC. This was a confidential communication and Mr. Hemenway stated, that mistakenly he has forwarded those pleadings to you. Shortly thereafter you have sent a press release, stating that you will be filing Quo Warranto action. This is a Ceize and Desist letter, demanding that you do not use my pleadings and confidential information in any way, shape or form, as you received those in error without my authorization.

Additionally, I received information from a licensed Private investigator, with 20 years of experience with Scotland Yard and 12 years of experience in US, that your paralegal Lisa Liberi has an extensive criminal record, involving fraud, forgery of documents and identity theft. See attached file. I also received information that her husband, who is currently on parole, is an owner of 2 of accounts, accepting credit cards on your charitable foundation web site. As an officer of the court I am obligated to forward this information to the authorities: FBI, Attorney General of California and San Bernardino County Distict Attorney, since Lisa Liberi had a 8 year conviction in San Bernardino County, California. I believe that you, as an officer of the court, as well and a former Assitant Attorney General of Pennsylvania, should join me in issuing a joint complaint and demand for investigation from the above listed authorities.

Dr. Orly Taitz Esq

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Re: The one and only Obama thread ( continued)

Postby Steed » Tue Apr 14, 2009 9:46 pm

April 11th, Raymond Ibrahim put the bowing to the Wahabbist King of Saudi Arabia by the alleged "president" into proper perspective:

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/obamas-abo ... spectives/

No supporter of the mission of FFI should be supporting the Mansourian candidate.

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Re: The one and only Obama thread ( continued)

Postby The Cat » Tue Apr 14, 2009 10:58 pm

Another Paranoid Obama Hater Goes Crazy, by Alan Colbes

http://www.alan.com/2009/04/04/another- ... oes-crazy/
The Pittsburgh shooter who killed three police officers had lost his job and was afraid Obama was going to take his guns away. Twenty-three year old Richard Poplawski held police officers at bay with an assault rifle and two other guns.

Poplawski feared “the Obama gun ban that’s on the way” and “didn’t like our rights being infringed upon,” said Edward Perkovic, his best friend. Another longtime friend, Aaron Vire, said Poplawski feared that President Barack Obama was going to take away his rights, though he said he “wasn’t violently against Obama.” Where does this paranoia come from?

You know the answer and are too afraid to say it. It comes from the right wing radicals like Michael Savage and Rush Limbaugh. It comes from the fact that hearing my perspective is called ‘listening to fags talk’ and education about the law is called ‘nerd stuff.’

It’s all lies. everything he heard. It’s all lies pumped into his skull by hateful and ill-willed individuals. How long do we let these people run free and pollute our minds? Call local stations and tell them you don’t want misinformation on the radio. Contact sites and tell them you don’t want misinformation on the internet. The right wing doesn’t care. They could care less about anything but ratings and whipping people up.

Then this happens.
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Re: The one and only Obama thread ( continued)

Postby THHuxley » Tue Apr 14, 2009 11:13 pm

Steed wrote:No supporter of the mission of FFI should be supporting the Mansourian candidate.

See? This is why the Birther movement is such an epic fail.

You would rather divide and destroy FFI than accept that people have different political opinions than you.

How delightfully Islamic.
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Re: The one and only Obama thread ( continued)

Postby The Cat » Tue Apr 14, 2009 11:21 pm

Go kill liberals!

Glenn Beck and the rise of Fox News' militia media:
http://mediamatters.org/discuss/item_ht ... &width=450
But is there any doubt that Fox News is playing an increasingly erratic and dangerous game by embracing the type of paranoid insurrection rhetoric that people like Poplawski are now acting on? By stoking dark fears about the ominous ruins that await an Obama America, by ratcheting up irresponsible back-to-the-wall scenarios, Fox News has waded into a territory that no other news organization has ever dared to exploit. (...)

Just prior to the Pittsburgh massacre, Beck's often bizarre on-air performances, in which his rants against the Obama administration's dark forces were mixed in with his tearful proclamations of love of country, had turned him into a highly rated laughingstock. "That is a shaky cat," Dennis Miller recently giggled while describing Beck. MSNBC's Joe Scarborough broke into hysterics after a montage of Beck's most weepy moments. And TV satirists have had a field day at the Fox News host's expense. (Stephen Colbert: "Crank up the crazy and rip off the knob!")

But I'm not sure people should be laughing. The consequences of Fox News' doomsday programming now seem entirely predictable. As Jeffrey Jones, a professor of media and politics at Old Dominion University, recently explained to The New York Times in regard to Beck's rhetoric, "People hear their values are under attack and they get worried. It becomes an opportunity for them to stand up and do something."

People like Richard Poplawski? FYI, weeks before his deadline shooting spree, Poplawski uploaded a video clip of Beck ominously referencing the FEMA camps on Fox News. It's true that Beck, in response to mounting criticism, made this statement on his show:

BECK: Let me be clear on one thing. If someone tries to harm another person in the name of the Constitution or the truth behind 9-11 or anything else, they are just as dangerous and crazy as those people we don't seem to recognize anymore -- you know, the ones who kill in the name of Allah. But look at the very next two lines of his monologue: "There are enemies both foreign and domestic in America tonight. Call it fearmongering or call it the truth." That doesn't sound like Beck was backing away from his rhetorical call to arms to fend off the Marxist -- no, wait -- fascist Obama administration.

And let's drop the idea -- pushed hard by Beck himself -- that he's simply a modern-day Howard Beale, from the classic film Network, just an angry, I'm-mad-as-hell everyman lashing out at the hypocrisies of our time. Nonsense. Beale's unvarnished on-air rants from Network targeted conformity, corporate conglomerates, and the propaganda power of television. ("This tube," he called it.) Beale's attacks were not political or partisan. Beck, by contrast, unleashes his anger against, and whips up dark scenarios about, the new president of the United States. Big difference.

Here's a sampling of what Beck's been drumming into the heads of viewers, a portion of whom likely (and logically) hear his rhetoric as a call to action. That the government is a "heroin pusher using smiley-faced fascism to grow the nanny state." That it's indoctrinating our children; that we have "come to a very dangerous point in our country's long, storied history." Beck's concerned that the "Big Brother" government will soon dictate what its citizens can eat, at what temperature their house can be set, and what kind of cars they're allowed to drive.

Beck's sure "[d]epression and revolution" are what await America under Obama, and fears moving "towards a totalitarian state." The country today sometimes reminds Beck of "the early days of Adolf Hitler." Beck thinks that Obama, who has "surrounded himself by Marxists his whole life," is now "addicting this country to heroin -- the heroin that is government slavery."

And it's not just Beck. Appearing on Fox News, Dick Morris recently made a wildly irresponsible comment that looks even worse in light of the Pittsburgh law-enforcement slayings: "Those crazies in Montana who say, 'We're going to kill ATF agents because the UN's going to take over' -- well, they're beginning to have a case."

And it's not just Fox News. Radio nut Michael Savage recently claimed that "we have a naked Marxist for president." And high-profile conservative blogger Erick Erickson contemplated the beating of politicians: "At what point do [people] get off the couch, march down to their state legislator's house, pull him outside, and beat him to a bloody pulp for being an idiot?"

Of course, the right-wingers at Free Republic are way ahead of Erickson as they fantasize about Obama's assassination: "And let's face it: all the speculation about Obama being the actual Antichrist will either be confirmed or denied if someone gets off a lucky shot at the SOB."

"Go Kill Liberals!"
I wonder if Glenn Beck knows who Jim Adkisson is. Adkisson made headlines on July 28, 2008, when he brought his sawed-off 12-gauge shotgun into the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church in Knoxville, Tennessee, and, after whipping it out of a guitar case, opened fire on parishioners while a group of schoolchildren performed songs up by the altar. Adkisson killed two people and wounded several others.

Adkisson, a 58-year-old unemployed truck driver, brought 70 shotgun shells with him to the church and assumed he'd keep killing until the police arrived on the scene and shot him dead as well. Instead, some members of the congregation were able to wrestle him to the ground and hold him for police.

When investigators went to Adkisson's home in search of a motive, as well as evidence for the pending trial, they found copies of Savage's Liberalism is a Mental Disorder, Let Freedom Ring by Sean Hannity, and The O'Reilly Factor, by Fox News' Bill O'Reilly. They also came across what was supposed to have been Adkisson's suicide note: a handwritten, four-page manifesto explaining his murderous actions. The one-word answer for his deed? Hate. The three-word answer? He hated liberals.

The only way we can rid ourselves of this evil is kill them in the streets. Kill them where they gather. I'd like to encourage other like minded people to do what I've done. If life aint worth living anymore don't just Kill yourself. Do something for your Country before you go. Go Kill Liberals!

What Adkisson especially hated about liberals ("this cancer, this pestilence") and what he hated about candidate "Osama Hussein Obama" was that they were marching America toward ruin: "Liberals are evil, they embrace the tenets of Karl Marx, they're Marxist, socialist, communists." Adkisson seethed over the way liberals were "trying to turn this country into a communist state" and couldn't comprehend why they would "embrace Marxism."

Sound familiar, Glenn?
John Bohstedt was one of the Unitarian church members who tackled Adkisson after the first round of gunfire went off inside the sanctuary. Two months ago, Adkisson pleaded guilty to the murder charges and was sentenced to life in prison. At the hearing, Bohstedt told the Associated Press he didn't think the killer had been insane, but rather had been manipulated by anti-liberal rhetoric.

"There are a lot of people who hate liberals, and if we stir that around in the pot and on the airwaves, eventually there will be people (like Adkisson) ... who get infected by the violent rhetoric and put it into violent action," Bohstedt said. He remained worried about future violence: "Do you think there are other Jim Adkissons out there listening to hate speech? I do."

Me too.

This is the hatred madness spew all over here by proxy...

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The Paranoid Style in American Politics

Postby THHuxley » Tue Apr 14, 2009 11:36 pm

When he first composed his milestone article, "The Paranoid Style in American Politics" for Harpers Magazine in 1964, the great historian Richard Hofstadter could never have envisioned how the American right wing would eventually lose its soul to hatred and conspiracy mongering. But what he wrote then is heart breakingly prescient, especially after 43 years.

American politics has often been an arena for angry minds. In recent years we have seen angry minds at work mainly among extreme right-wingers, who have now demonstrated in the Goldwater movement how much political leverage can be got out of the animosities and passions of a small minority. But behind this I believe there is a style of mind that is far from new and that is not necessarily right-wing. I call it the paranoid style simply because no other word adequately evokes the sense of heated exaggeration, suspiciousness, and conspiratorial fantasy that I have in mind. In using the expression “paranoid style” I am not speaking in a clinical sense, but borrowing a clinical term for other purposes. I have neither the competence nor the desire to classify any figures of the past or present as certifiable lunatics. In fact, the idea of the paranoid style as a force in politics would have little contemporary relevance or historical value if it were applied only to men with profoundly disturbed minds. It is the use of paranoid modes of expression by more or less normal people that makes the phenomenon significant.

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Re: The one and only Obama thread ( continued)

Postby Mindstorm » Wed Apr 15, 2009 12:34 am

Steed wrote:April 11th, Raymond Ibrahim put the bowing to the Wahabbist King of Saudi Arabia by the alleged "president" into proper perspective:

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/obamas-abo ... spectives/

No supporter of the mission of FFI should be supporting the Mansourian candidate.

Steed


Good post, Steed. Once again, Obama's motives become clearer.
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Re: The one and only Obama thread ( continued)

Postby Mindstorm » Wed Apr 15, 2009 12:37 am

The Cat wrote:Another Paranoid Obama Hater Goes Crazy, by Alan Colbes


How many times is the story going it get posted? Is this all you got to post in the Obama thread?

Why don't you talk about the cop killers thinking the Jews controlled the US media. Oh yeah, that doesn't fit in the leftist playbook. That is part of the leftist playbook -- but not when it interferes with trying to cuddle the cop killer for your own gains. How about this cop killer?

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