Is slavery only related to the West?

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One thing that I have noticed is that all the hysterical actions seen after the death in the USA of the black man caused by the police is only apparent in advanced Western countries. The genuine protests about the death are being highjacked by anarchists, Marxists, muslims and misc others. It gives the impression that it had all been prepared and just waited for an incident to unleash the civil unrest with intention of destroying Western society and civilisation. I think that this madness of rushing into destroying monuments of people who at some point had been involved in the slave trade should be stopped as it is happening while emotions are running high but it should be not in the hands of those whose ancestors were enslaved but rest on the final Government decision of how to resolve this matter without removing it from British history. I fear that the enemies of Britain are in control and see the effects of mass riots which became out of police control. I am sure that more will come.

Where are the demonstrations in the Middle East or Far East?

I think that it is time to lay open the method of obtaining potential slaves and not start at the point where these people were being traded in the West. Who rounded up the slaves right at the start? Where did it all happen? Did it happen in Britain and Ireland? Yes it did. Who by? muslims.

It should be made public that there is a current religious ideology that condones slavery and is practiced in one or two countries.

Will the media explain all this? Will any Western Government explain all this? What do you think?

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Given that Islam is the only religion that expressly and openly allows slavery, including sex slaves, it is rather odd that this never enters the "debate".
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People have forgotten the white slavery under Muslim rule. "The Arab slave trades"
Caucasian captives were taken by raids into European territories.
During the Al-Andalus (also known as Muslim Spain or Islamic Iberia), the Moors controlled much of the peninsula. They imported white Christian slaves from the 8th century until the Reconquista in the late 15th century. The slaves were exported from the Christian section of Spain, as well as Eastern Europe, sparking significant reaction from many in Christian Spain and many Christians still living in Muslim Spain. Soon after, Muslims were successful, taking 30,000 Christian captives from Spain. In the eighth century slavery lasted longer due to "frequent cross-border skirmishes, interspersed between periods of major campaigns". By the tenth century, in the eastern Mediterranean Byzantine, Christians were captured by Muslims. Many of the raids designed by Muslims were created for a fast capture of prisoners. Therefore, Muslims restricted the control in order to keep captives from fleeing. The Iberian peninsula served as a base for further exports of slaves into other Muslim regions in Northern Africa.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_slavery" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Just a bit more -

The Jihadi Pirates Who Took British Slaves

23 Oct, 2017 By
Michael Copeland

In the recent pro-Islam propaganda video by Lincolnshire Police, Mr Hafez Abdusammad Mulla of the Al Imdaad Foundation said, "Muslims have a long shared history with Britain".
In a way, they have, indeed. Muslim jihadi slave-takers have "a long shared history" with Britain's coastal villages:

1625 "The Turks... take the men to make slaves of them."

1625 Mounts Bay was raided: 60 people taken as slaves.

1626 St Keverne was attacked more than once.
Cornish boats attacked at sea: the men taken as slaves.

1631 ALL the women and children of Baltimore, SW Ireland (then part of UK) taken as slaves.

1640 Estimated 3,000 to 4,000 British existing as slaves in N. Africa.
Commission set up to oversee ransom money to liberate slaves.

1645 240 people taken from Cornwall.

1646 Parliament set up a slave-purchase fund to liberate English slaves in Africa.

1650s Muslim jihadis use Lundy Island as a slave base.

1661 1661 Samuel Pepys meets two liberated slaves in London.

1675 Royal Navy threat defeats Tunis.
Royal Navy bombards and defeats Tripoli.
Algiers was attacked by British, French, and Spanish to secure cessation of hostilities.

1801-05 First Barbary War of USA.

1815-16 Second Barbary War: US Marines take Tripoli.

1816 British and Dutch attack N. Africa: more than 4,000 Christian slaves liberated.

This is why pirates in British pantomimes wear turbans: they express the "long shared history".

See "Historic UK: Barbary Pirates and English Slaves".

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11 EXPOSED - Muslim SLAVERY and CASTRATION of Africans from 13 centuries ago

World renowned and highly respected Senagalise Anthropologist and Author (Muslim) Tidiane N'Diaye reveals the mind blowing secret of Muslim slavery over 13 centuries. The first of many to break the silence over this taboo subject of slavery of black people, which is authorised by the Koran.

https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=10d_1476530472" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I can`t open this video. Perhaps someone can.

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sum wrote:
I can`t open this video. Perhaps someone can.
Is this better?

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Many thanks Ariel.

I wonder if SAM, Eagle or Mughal will enter this thread. I doubt it as they dare not show their own views or those of Islam.

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I found a similar one to the one that I could not open

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryeeaFYzYHY" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

It highlights the castration of the slaves that took place where only about one in five survived this ordeal. It has long been the muslim way to divert attention away from muslims and their ruthless gathering and exploiting of slaves onto the West, especially the USA and Britain.

This subject needs to be made open to all the public to ensure that an understanding that the main slavers and slave traders were muslims who acted within the Koran`s guidance and were in fact the most significant of all in relation to slavery.

Will they kneel and ask for forgiveness?

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A short video by Dr Bill Warner on slavery in Africa by muslims -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9D7cN4OvGA" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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hmm most of the black slaves were sold by Arab Muslims who follow a prophet a who owned and traded black slaves , sex slaves and most benefited from slave trade for a living - a prophet who taught 2 black slaves were equal to 1 Arab slave and sex slaves are good.

its the westerners who are influenced by missionaries like Livingstone forced the Arabs to shut down the slave trade, by even going to teh extent of threatening to bomb their then capital-Zanzibar
(look up Zanzibar -then capital of sultanate of Oman and a slave trade center.)

sharia the final law from great Arab god Allah still permits slave trade.
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Slightly off topic, but this serves to show that the obsession to bury the past, when to do with colonialism and slavery is a strange Western one.
When you go to a museum in India or Indonesia you often find they are filled with relics from the colonial days...

You find oddities like old pianos, Dutch blue and white tiles, butter churns, European dinner sets and the like. Colonial building are preserved, at least in part, like the front of the Portuguese Cathedral in Macau. The Dutch railway building in Semarang looks as if the Dutch left last week in a very orderly manner, but there is a plaque and a wall exhibit reminding people of the gruesome going ons there during the struggle of independence. This is there thing: the building has not been turned into a monument of victory over the Dutch, but there is stands, in splendid grounds, telling you a much more detailed story. You can even get into an old steam locomotive, with a plaque saying "Java Spoorweg Maatschappij"
In short, people in SE Asia want to remember the past very much, and just as it was, but without grudges against the people of today. You do not merely get the "victory" Museum, like you see in North Korea, you get serious attempts to tell the whole story.
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Ariel wrote:People have forgotten the white slavery under Muslim rule. "The Arab slave trades"
Caucasian captives were taken by raids into European territories.
During the Al-Andalus (also known as Muslim Spain or Islamic Iberia), the Moors controlled much of the peninsula. They imported white Christian slaves from the 8th century until the Reconquista in the late 15th century. The slaves were exported from the Christian section of Spain, as well as Eastern Europe, sparking significant reaction from many in Christian Spain and many Christians still living in Muslim Spain. Soon after, Muslims were successful, taking 30,000 Christian captives from Spain. In the eighth century slavery lasted longer due to "frequent cross-border skirmishes, interspersed between periods of major campaigns". By the tenth century, in the eastern Mediterranean Byzantine, Christians were captured by Muslims. Many of the raids designed by Muslims were created for a fast capture of prisoners. Therefore, Muslims restricted the control in order to keep captives from fleeing. The Iberian peninsula served as a base for further exports of slaves into other Muslim regions in Northern Africa.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_slavery" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
:heh: We should start rioting, and damage shops and buildings from Aribs. And ask them to kneel for us, and kiss our feet.
Even before that pagan whites were enslaved by Christians themselves before whole of West was Christianised. After that it slavery was gone and serfdom got instituted.Is that any different?
palli or halli in Dravidian languages means a village just like gaav in Aryan languages means a village.palli or halli in Aryan Mauryan Imperial era around 200 B.C designates a tribal hamlet.So many of those in South India are indeed descendants of tribals and are still keeping up that heritage.
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how about india?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_India" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Hello Nosuperstition

Do you think that the slavery by "Christians" was any different to that of the capture, castration and overall death rate of those Africans? These "Christians" were acting outside Christianity. We can not turn the clock back but at least we stopped slavery except in the Koran condoned Islamic attitude towards slavery. It is still going on and so you should be comparing the Islamic allowing of taking slaves now with the non-slavery of the non-Islamic countries.

Islamic slavery can go on for ever more because Allah permits it. Muhammad had no love or compassion towards Africans and had traded in black slaves.

Do you think that muslims should bend down on the knee and apologise for their evil past and present just as the West is doing?

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sum wrote:Hello Nosuperstition

Do you think that the slavery by "Christians" was any different to that of the capture, castration and overall death rate of those Africans? These "Christians" were acting outside Christianity. We can not turn the clock back but at least we stopped slavery except in the Koran condoned Islamic attitude towards slavery. It is still going on and so you should be comparing the Islamic allowing of taking slaves now with the non-slavery of the non-Islamic countries.

Islamic slavery can go on for ever more because Allah permits it. Muhammad had no love or compassion towards Africans and had traded in black slaves.

Do you think that muslims should bend down on the knee and apologise for their evil past and present just as the West is doing?

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According to the Vedas,Hindu God Indra( the then Hindu equivalent of God Zeus in the pantheon of Gods and Goddesses of the Greeks and the Romans) kills a female slave for being gadabout.According to the Bible,a slave is his master's property and his master's money and therefore can be disposed off at his will.So,perhaps every major religious text on earth condoned slavery.It is another matter that when secularism took root on a large scale in India around 300 B.C,Megasthenes,the Greek ambassador to India expressed his surprise that a majority/almost all of Indians are free men.One has to closely study the TripeeTika or Tipitaka of the Budhdhists to know about the Buddhist position.Perhaps, when famines etc broke out on large scale in the Indian sub-continent,Muslim Sultans resorted to culling their slaves on a large scale as slaves are gadabout/superfluous in such situations.Hence,the evil of the institution of slavery needs to be condemned regardless of which religion one loves to profess or support.
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palli or halli in Dravidian languages means a village just like gaav in Aryan languages means a village.palli or halli in Aryan Mauryan Imperial era around 200 B.C designates a tribal hamlet.So many of those in South India are indeed descendants of tribals and are still keeping up that heritage.
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Hello Nosuperstition

Christianity is the teaching of Jesus. Did Jesus condone slavery and inequality?

I agree that slavery everywhere should be condemned but do you think that the Islamic nations will condemn slavery because if they do they will be condemning Allah, Muhammad and Islam?

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sum wrote:Hello Nosuperstition

Christianity is the teaching of Jesus. Did Jesus condone slavery and inequality?

I agree that slavery everywhere should be condemned but do you think that the Islamic nations will condemn slavery because if they do they will be condemning Allah, Muhammad and Islam?

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Even Hindus seemed to have disowned parts of Vedas stating that they got corrupted in the age of Kali.And the Scotts declaration of Christianity says that though the Bible is of divine origin,humans could have made mistakes in interpreting its verses.Jesus said that he had come not to abolish the law ,but to fulfill it.So in a way slavery gets condoned.However,when one observes that Christians do not observe all the bizzare rituals such as circumcision and the Jewish halaal and haraam eating habits or Kosher laws (as stated in the law of the Old Testement) to be precise,one can put even slavery in that bracket.Similarly,who knows,Muslims too can come up with something that can abrogate slavery.
palli or halli in Dravidian languages means a village just like gaav in Aryan languages means a village.palli or halli in Aryan Mauryan Imperial era around 200 B.C designates a tribal hamlet.So many of those in South India are indeed descendants of tribals and are still keeping up that heritage.
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At the end of the day mo hammed owned and traded slaves including sex slaves. since Mohamed is the best example for Muslims to follow, slavery is likely to stay with Islam unless they rewrite Quran and sunnah.
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NS, let's just start from the plain obvious: slavery has been part of human history in every culture since the dawn of time, quite independently of religion. Apart from Islam, which made slavery part of of divine law, is was simply seen as a fact of life, the way things were.
BTW when the British eventually outlawed slave trade, the loudest complaints came from rulers in modern day Nigeria, as this affected their economy.
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