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Statue of Christopher Columbus is torn down, set on fire and thrown in a Virginia lake by protesters saying the explorer 'represents genocide'

A Christopher Columbus statue was torn down and thrown in a lake in Richmond last night in the latest protest to target a symbol of racial oppression.

The sculpture was brought down less than two hours after protesters in Virginia's capital gathered in the city's Byrd Park and chanted for the statue to go.

Protesters pulled the monument down with ropes, set it on fire and rolled it into a lake in the park to cheers from the assembled crowd.

The empty pedestal was spray-painted and covered with a sign saying 'Columbus Represents Genocide' after the statue was taken down.
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So the man buried in a golden coffin with a his portrait styled as an angel was a convicted armed robber with a long list of convictions, and a "porn star" too. In addition he had a serious drug problem and was "high" when he was arrested.

While his death was avoidable and tragic, I seriously doubt any racist motive on the side of the police. We are being taken for mugs on an unbelievable scale. What is odd though is the hysteria this has generated, to the point that people are afraid to publicly express a view at variance with the general spin.

What this could lead to does not look pretty.... We will get an emasculated police force afraid of dealing with anyone "black", and we will also get eventually a reaction from the " far right" leading to full scale race riots.

"Race" has become such a divisive issue that pushing the "race" button is similar to exploring a bomb. It is easy and quick to divide people, but it can take generations to bring people back together.

While the criminal record and the dugs cannot be disputed as they are on public record, his adventures in porn have been met with "outrage". Well here is a you tube clip with him in a porn movie (the start of it, with clothes still on), so there is little doubt on the accuracy.

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Do you know that his wife and his family are no longer poor?

They have put up an "Official George Floyd Memorial Fund" and at this moment there is collected ......$14.071.200......

Feel free to donate.
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KGB agent explains current events in USA. This is a must watch. This was filmed 35 years ago and its like he recorded it today.

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manfred wrote:So the man buried in a golden coffin with a his portrait styled as an angel was a convicted armed robber with a long list of convictions, and a "porn star" too. In addition he had a serious drug problem and was "high" when he was arrested.

While his death was avoidable and tragic, I seriously doubt any racist motive on the side of the police. We are being taken for mugs on an unbelievable scale. What is odd though is the hysteria this has generated, to the point that people are afraid to publicly express a view at variance with the general spin.

What this could lead to does not look pretty.... We will get an emasculated police force afraid of dealing with anyone "black", and we will also get eventually a reaction from the " far right" leading to full scale race riots.

"Race" has become such a divisive issue that pushing the "race" button is similar to exploring a bomb. It is easy and quick to divide people, but it can take generations to bring people back together.

While the criminal record and the dugs cannot be disputed as they are on public record, his adventures in porn have been met with "outrage". Well here is a you tube clip with him in a porn movie (the start of it, with clothes still on), so there is little doubt on the accuracy.

Again, at this point it make little difference what George Floyd did in his life. The manner he was killed by the police & the utter indifference on the killer's face - casually looking (with his hands in his pocket) at the man dying right in front of him - that what shook the world - not his dubious past.

Can anyone of us imagine watching our loved ones treated like this man was?.

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I never watched that clip... I loathe violence. And I agree, at this point it is not that important what he did in life. I posted this to show that what he was made into after death is far removed from the real man. I wonder what he would say he saw that?

He will have people who loved him and who will miss him, and their grief and anger I can understand. The hysteria and the riots, I cannot.

Perhaps we should wait and see what the inquiry and the courts will find, if after all this a sober examination is even possible. You mention the facial expression of the man likely to be responsible for his death. I have seen faces of people who just lost someone very close to them or went through a major trauma, many times, it comes with the territory.

Some look very upset and they cry, others have an almost stony expression and act excessively controlled. I cannot tell who would grieve more, everybody has his own way of coping.

So I would not read too much into that. I am still having problems accepting that a policeman would do anything like that on purpose. He should have foreseen that something could happen and he was putting him in danger, sure. But the narrative that a policeman kills a man in front of many witnesses, while being filmed, because he happens to be black... without a lot more evidence I cannot see that.
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What matters now is how AG Keith Ellison defines the motive or what caused Chauvin to induce his lethal action. Floyd and Chauvin have a history that may go back 17 years. Certainly, a motive is not required in this case to reach a verdict but will be used in the political debate. The Floyd family says they believe what happened on May 25 was in part personal so Chauvin may be charged with first degree murder.

Thia would make it personal, an act of brutal police violence but not especially racist.
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What irritates me considerably is that this man is elevated to angel-like status, while people who build schools and hospitals or saved us from fascism are vilified.
At the end of the day the agenda is to erase history and with it identity.

The past should be remembered just as it was. "Churchill was a racist" .... whatever the merits of that statement, that is not the most important reason for knowing about him. His view on race should not be swept under the carpet, but his achievements also not forgotten.

Soon we will be getting a hospital called "George Floyd hospital" or maybe a school too...
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Indeed. Well the revolutionary narrative is always against those in power. It needs to be simple and direct so it will ignore history and shape it in such a way that it's easy to use. It's not about right or wrong, it's only about effect and ignores morals and ethics.

That's why Hitler preferred to hire former communists as they work towards the goal, no matter what.
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Hombre wrote: Can anyone of us imagine watching our loved ones treated like this man was?.
I am not going to be a hypocrite Hombre, and I will tell you how I think about it.
Let it be clear...George Floyd was by no means an angel or a saint, and I don't know why the policeman put his foot in his neck. Did Chauvin had a grudge against him, did Chauvin know how strong Floyd was, that's why perhaps the foot in his neck, What was said, what happened in the minutes before this video...We have to find out first before we condemn the policemen. Try to feel some compassion with them.

And because of your post, I try to imagine how it is when a "friendly giant" like Floyd point his gun towards my granddaughters pregnant stomach. And to be honest, I don't like that idea. :no1: I would hate the guy.
Back in 2007, when George Floyd was 35 years old, he was the leader of a robbery where he and a gang of men forcefully entered a pregnant woman’s house. A clever scheme was thought out beforehand. To encourage the woman to open her door Floyd would pose as a water department worker. He dressed in a blue shirt to emulate the outfit of a worker, he then knocked on the woman’s door. The plan worked and she opened the door, but she realized quickly that Floyd wasn’t from the water department. She tried to close the door but George Floyd grabbed hold of it and held on. As he stood holding the door open, a Ford Explorer van with five of Floyd’s friends pulled up to the house. This, of course, was part of the plan, and they rushed the property. Once they had entered the house one of the robbers pulled out a gun and pointed it towards the woman’s pregnant stomach. As this was going on, Floyd started to search the house looking drugs, money, or jewelry.
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Hombre, I wish that you are as forgiving for Donald Trump as you are for Floyd. Using your own words..."Can anyone of us imagine watching our loved ones treated like this man was is"

No I can't. Would you like your father being treated like Donald Tump? Being badly treated. Being scorned and cursed. Also by you. And that while Trump tries to do the best for his country and its people.

I would not like it if my father was being treated by you like Donald Trump. I would fight you tooth and nail.

Think about that Hombre.

And an other thing. Floyd ( bless him) took good care of his family after his death. Much better while he was alive. At this moment the family is14.146.500 million richer . I hope they spend it well.
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"Items" Showing Up "Strategically" Across the Country Have Raised Questions, Who’s Organizing This


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Ariel wrote:I often asked myself, why ? Is it because coloured people have a different temperament, other than white people? Are they more emotional? Quicker to react ?

I know I can't generalize, but still.... :clueless:
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If temperament is a function of one's skin color,surely white people should not have their hearts filled with hate.If supposed provocation and incitement justifies their hate and temperament,then the same also holds true for people of a different skin color.
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If temperament is a function of one's skin color,surely white people should not have their hearts filled with hate.
I do not think white people's hearts are filled with hate Nosuperstition. I think it is the opposite. Look at Sweden. Many white people there lovingly took in many colored people and they took care of them.
The same in Germany, Holland, England...

Have I ofended you Nosuperstition ? Are you colored?

What I tried to say is that people in different countries have different temperament. The Sweeds and people in Norway are cool. People in Spain, France and Italie are warm . The hugging and kissing types
The Dutch, ( like me) are open and outspoken. Germans are efficient and disciplined. Japanese have respect for order and cleanliness and are introverts .

etc, etc.

So, that's why I asked if coloured people are more emotional, and if that is why they fight more.

A friend from Syria told me ones that Arabs have to fight. And if they do not have an enemy, they fight each other.
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This is an very interesting talk by David Wood on a topic not related to Islam. Instead he draws on his own past and life experience.

I particularly liked the way he classified various correction (we would say prison) officers and policemen. His five categories match my much more limited experience in prisons (I was chaplain in two London prisons quite a long time ago), and in that role you miss very little of what goes on.

He goes a long way explaining where bad feelings against police stem from, and he pulls no punches. He starts discussing the issue very generally, with many example from his own experience, but he also addresses race issues in that connection, near the end of the video, but offering some very astute observations.

A bit long but worth watching....

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Black Lives Matter fundraising handled by group with convicted terrorist on its board

The co-founder of Black Lives Matter names a convicted cop killer as one of her heroes, and the BLM national organization is fiscally sponsored through a leftist group whose board of directors includes a convicted terrorist.

Alicia Garza, one of three co-founders of the Black Lives Matter national organization, has repeatedly talked about how convicted cop killer and wanted domestic terrorist Joanne Chesimard, also known as Assata Shakur, is one of her main inspirations. Susan Rosenberg, a member of the board of directors for the left-wing Thousand Currents group, which handles the intake of donations made to Black Lives Matter, is a convicted terrorist who, among other things, was suspected of helping Shakur escape from prison.

Rosenberg, who was listed as the vice chairwoman of the board of directors for Thousand Currents until the webpage was pulled down this week, as first reported by the Capital Research Center, had been a member of the radical leftist revolutionary militant group known as the May 19th Communist Organization, affiliated with the Weather Underground terrorist group and other radicals. She was convicted on weapons and explosives charges and sentenced to 58 years in prison, serving 16 years before being pardoned by President Bill Clinton in January 2001.

Thousand Currents did not return a request for comment.

Black Lives Matter, which is not a 501(c)(3) charitable group, uses an IRS-approved 501(c)(3) organization — Thousand Currents — as its fiscal sponsor, and so donations made on the Black Lives Matter website through the left-wing ActBlue donation platform go to Thousand Currents, which says it then distributes them to Black Lives Matter. Black Lives Matter has gained a vast amount of national attention, and funding, since the death in Minneapolis police custody of George Floyd on Memorial Day.

Rosenberg was a radical in the 1960s and 1970s who landed on the FBI’s Most Wanted List for a number of suspected crimes and was nabbed in 1984 while unloading from her car and into a New Jersey storage unit hundreds of pounds of dynamite along with weapons, including a sub-machine gun. She was believed to have been part of future politically motivated bombing plots. Rosenberg and her M19 associates were also charged with roles in bombings during the 1980s that detonated at the Capitol and the Navy War College, among other targets. They were also tied to a 1981 Brink’s armored car robbery that killed a guard and two police officers.

Rosenberg was believed to have also played a role in cop killer Shakur’s escape from prison.

Garza wrote an article for the Feminist Wire in 2014 explaining that “when I use Assata’s powerful demand in my organizing work, I always begin by sharing where it comes from, sharing about Assata’s significance to the Black Liberation Movement, what it’s political purpose and message is, and why it’s important in our context.” Garza has repeatedly tweeted approvingly about Shakur.

Shakur is currently on the FBI’s Most Wanted Terrorists List with a $1 million reward. Shakur, a member of the revolutionary extremist group called the Black Liberation Army, is wanted for escaping from prison in New Jersey in 1979 while serving a life sentence for murdering a police officer during a traffic stop. In 1973, Shakur and two accomplices were stopped for a motor vehicle violation on the New Jersey Turnpike by two New Jersey State Police troopers. Shakur was wanted at the time for her role in a number of serious crimes, including bank robbery, so they opened fire on the officers, injuring one trooper and killing Werner Foerster execution-style at point-blank range. She was caught and sentenced but then escaped, making her way to Cuba in 1984.

Rosenberg wrote an autobiography in 2011 titled An American Radical: Political Prisoner in My Own Country, in which she talked about her radical escapades, and since her release, has served as the communications director for the American Jewish World Service and a stint at John Jay School of Criminal Justice. She also joined Thousand Currents.

The website for Black Lives Matter is operated under an umbrella group known as the Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation, chaired by BLM co-founder Patrisse Cullors, a self-described Marxist. Black Lives Matter uses the ActBlue to raise money, but claims from some conservative activists such as Candace Owens that Black Lives Matter was just a "shell company" for donating money to the Democratic Party do not appear to be true.

Black Lives Matter appears to make up the majority of the donation work that Thousand Currents does, with the 2019 public audit statement for Thousand Currents showing just over $6.4 million in total financial assets, including holding more than $3.3 million in assets for Black Lives Matter as of last June. The audit shows Thousand Currents released nearly $1.8 million in donations to Black Lives Matter during the year ending on June 30, 2019.

The Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation has pulled in huge amounts of cash since Floyd’s death, telling the Associated Press it received more than 1.1 million individual donations as of mid-June, with each donation averaging $33 — meaning the group has brought in more than $33 million in less than a month.

A 2017 report from Black Lives Matter describes its founders — Garza, Cullors, and Opal Tometi — as “three radical Black organizers.”

Cullors said that she and Garza are “trained Marxists” during a 2015 interview with the Real News Network, noting: “We are super versed on, sort of, ideological theories, and I think what we really try to do is build a movement that could be utilized by many, many black folk.” Cullors told CNN's Jake Tapper in June that "Trump not only needs to not be in office in November, but he should resign now."

The group announced grant funds totaling $12.5 million in recent days.

Black Lives Matter says it was founded in 2013 in response to George Zimmerman being acquitted in the murder trial of Trayvon Martin. President Barack Obama’s Justice Department under Attorney General Eric Holder found “insufficient evidence” to pursue federal civil rights charges.

“A year later, we set out together on the Black Lives Matter Freedom Ride to Ferguson, in search of justice for Mike Brown and all of those who have been torn apart by state-sanctioned violence and anti-Black racism,” the Black Lives Matter website declares.

The “Hands Up! Don’t Shoot!” slogan that features prominently at most Black Lives Matter protests is based on a myth also debunked by the Obama-Holder Justice Department, which concluded the shooting of Brown by Ferguson police officer Darren Wilson was justified.
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It seems that in the UK people are waking up regarding black lives matter. They still are not wide awake though, because then they will know and understand that antifa and black lives matter are the army of George Soros.

BLM is NOT "hijacked".
BBC tells staff not to wear Black Lives Matter badges on air

Number of high-profile organisations are forced to distance themselves from Black Lives Matter as they say organisation has been "hijacked"

The BBC has told its presenters and guests not to wear Black Lives Matter badges as the campaign was accused of “hijacking” George Floyd’s death for political reasons.

Bosses at the corporation have decided not to allow “visual symbols of support” for Black Lives Matter to be worn on screen, senior sources told The Telegraph.

It comes as a number of high-profile organisations were forced to backtrack on their support for the Black Lives Matter movement as its UK arm publicly criticised Israel and called on the British government to “defund the police”.

The BBC’s stance is at odds with other broadcasters including Sky who have displayed BLM hashtags between programmes and encouraged presenters to wear badges of support....
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The problems with Black Lives Matter’s are not over. I fear they just started.
Black Lives Matter Leader Declares War On Police – Says Will Develop Highly-Trained Military Arm

In an interview with the Daily Mail, Hawk Newsome, Chairman of Black Lives Matter’s Greater New York chapter, says the black rights group is ‘mobilizing’ its base.

“We have black Special Forces officers advising us, and we will teach and train people in our communities,” Newsome told the Daily Mail.

“We pattern ourselves after the Black Panthers, after the Nation of Islam, we believe that we need an arm to defend ourselves,” said Newsome.

He also said that “we don’t believe in equality. in the Daily Mail interview.

Andy Ngo, who has followed and reported on ANTIFA and Black Lives Matters, saying:
  • “There is & always was a reason BLM founders openly looked up to violent members of the Black Liberation Army & Black Panthers. They’ve been able to fool left, right & center into supporting a Marxist revolutionary cause under the guise of a simple slogan.“
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Overnight on 30 June–1 July in Portland, police made dozens of arrests at the antifa riot in north Portland. Antifa tried to attack the police union hall and later the north precinct. Rioters attacked police with large rocks and started fires in residential area.
5 Officers and 1 Criminalist sustained injuries during the events last nights, including some from thrown rocks and full beverage cans
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"We have experienced weeks of demonstrations that have turned into almost nightly unlawful assemblies, civil disturbances and riots," said Chief Chuck Lovell. "We have had law enforcement facilities and personnel targeted with violence, including the barricading and burning of an occupied police facility on more than one occasion.

"Last night, another march occurred, this time in a residential neighborhood where many families were at home and some were likely sleeping. Some have said we are only protecting an empty building and the force used was excessive. My response to that is we would have seen one building lit on fire in a neighborhood where a commercial building fire could have led to residences being burned with families inside.

"Life safety for all is our number one priority.We are determined to protect our community. This is bigger than property; it is about human lives."

During the evening hours of June 30, 2020, demonstrators once again took to the streets of Portland. A couple hundred demonstrators began by gathering at Peninsula Park around 6 p.m. At approximately 8:30 p.m., the demonstrators began marching in a northwesterly direction towards the Portland Police Association's office in North Portland.
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Around 9 p.m., demonstrators began blocking the road on North Lombard Street at North Campbell Avenue. While in the street, demonstrators began throwing projectiles at officers who were standing outside of the Portland Police Association office. These projectiles included rocks and water bottles. The demonstrators also shined green lasers in the officer's eyes.

At approximately 9:08 p.m., the sound truck made an admonishment stating an unlawful assembly had been declared and that the demonstrators needed to disperse to the east. The demonstrators were told if they did not obey the lawful order and begin to disperse, they could be subject to arrest or use of force to include crowd control munitions. Despite the admonishment, demonstrators continued to block traffic on North Lombard Street and throw projectiles at officers who were in front of the Portland Police Association office.

At approximately 9:19 p.m., officers began dispersing the crowd in an effort to move them from the immediate area. While performing this lawful action, demonstrators continued to throw water bottles, baseball sized rocks, and full cans. While officers cleared the area, some crowd control munitions were used. Once demonstrators were to North Fenwick Avenue and North Lombard Street, they began to move dumpsters and plastic trash bins to the street. The demonstrators attempted to set fire to the dumpsters and trash bins. During this time, demonstrators deployed orange smoke towards officers.

At 10 p.m., the sound truck continued to warn demonstrators to disperse to the east, however, they continued to throw full cans, baseball sized rocks, and water bottles at officers. The large baseball sized rocks hit several officers which required medical attention. At 10:12 p.m., demonstrators began lighting commercial grade fireworks and throwing them towards officers. At this time, a riot was declared and the demonstrators were admonished by the sound truck to leave the area immediately. Because demonstrators were throwing commercial grade fireworks towards officers, to protect the life and safety of police personnel, CS gas was used to disperse the crowd.

Over the next hour, officers continued to disperse the crowd to the east. During this time, several arrests were made. While performing these arrests, demonstrators continued to throw projectiles at officers, vandalize property, and set dumpster fires on North Lombard Street. A vehicle supplying demonstrators with supplies was also stopped during this time.

Around 12 a.m., the remaining demonstrators began marching southbound Northeast MLK Boulevard from Northeast Lombard Street towards North Precinct. Nearly 85 demonstrators took several lanes of traffic on Northeast MLK Boulevard and were accompanied by several vehicles. As the demonstrators arrived at North Precinct, the sound truck admonished the crowd, informing them an unlawful assembly had been declared, and they needed to leave the area to the north and west.

At 12:46 a.m., demonstrators set a large fire in a dumpster they had pushed in to Northeast Killingsworth Street near the north side of North Precinct. Officers began to disperse the crowd and while doing so, demonstrators continued to throw projectiles at officers. Most demonstrators left the area by 1:15 a.m.
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Have you noticed black man is now Black man in many articles? Is seems that white people do not have a shared sense of history, identity and community, like black people do, so "white man" is still written with small letters .
AP changes writing style to capitalize ″b″ in Black

The Associated Press changed its writing style guide Friday to capitalize the “b” in the term Black when referring to people in a racial, ethnic or cultural context, weighing in on a hotly debated issue.

The change conveys “an essential and shared sense of history, identity and community among people who identify as Black, including those in the African diaspora and within Africa,” John Daniszewski, AP’s vice president of standards, said in a blog post Friday. “The lowercase black is a color, not a person.”

The Case for Black With a Capital B
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