What do Governments expect?

[sum]

I ask this because we regularly hear Government spokesmen talk of the non-violent muslims who are living peacefully in society and do not want to engage in violent jihad.

Does this mean that because they are non-violent that they do not have the same long term aims as the violent jihadis? I believe that they do have the same aims as the violent muslims but choose to go about it in a different way. All they have to do is have three children and they will, in time, out number the indigenous and non-muslim population. Even better, they can marry someone from abroad - even more than one and bring them to the non-Islamic country.

There is now a website created by a muslim that encourages and helps to facilitate polygamy. This is another step forward to outnumbering the non-muslims.

How can demographic jihad be stopped? How do the politicians see the future? Do they care? I have long believed that they have no idea how to address this matter and so just keep their heads down and say nothing.

sum

[Fernando]

How can demographic jihad be stopped? How do the politicians see the future? Do they care? I have long believed that they have no idea how to address this matter and so just keep their heads down and say nothing.

Well, for a start there's an element that thinks the demographic situation is just lovely. Some think the bigger the economy the better, some see it as an easy answer to supporting an ageing population, some just love population growth for population growth's sake. But I think that above all, the idea of fairness to the many perfectly good Muslims in the country over-rides any concept of fairness and stability for the indigenous population. They then extend such "fairness" to the whole section of the world's population that is materially worse off then their own citizens. How could they not, knowing that they would otherwise be (i.e. are regularly) subjected to cries of "xenophobe", "fascist" and "raaaaacist!" from the fascist Left?

[sum]

I do not think that the UK government can truly address the problems that jihadis cause without exposing Islam, openly and publically. Do they have the guts to do this? I think not. Do they have the expert advisors on Islam? I doubt it.

If they really care about the jihadi threat and the rapidly increasing muslim demographics then they would have to address the problem, probably after discussions with other significant world leaders because of a predictable world muslim reaction should any moves be made to counter the expansion of Islam in the UK. This is where muslims are bold and resolute enough to face down our politicians and even threaten to cause civil unrest or even civil war.

I am pessimistic and fear that muslim demographics will win the day unless civil war breaks out and Islam in the UK is crushed. I do not want this but I can not see any other outcome.

Liberty GB claimed that in the UK, 15% of the breeding age population is muslim and that at this rate of muslim increase in demographics it would only take two generations to produce a muslim majority in the UK. Time is running out. Do the politicians care?

sum

[Fernando]

I do not think that the UK government can truly address the problems that jihadis cause without exposing Islam, openly and publically. Do they have the guts to do this? I think not. Do they have the expert advisors on Islam? I doubt it.

Well, Theresa May had a expert advisor on Islam when she was Home Secretary. The woman was a Muslim and advised her to ban Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller.
I think there's a problem generally, though, with the higher ranks of the Civil Service. They're supposed to be impartial but many were selected by the left-wing Blair government and have now risen to the top - along with so much of the leftist elite now comfortably ensconced.
There may be another problem too: so many big public projects seem to have foundered through what must be incompetence. This is no more than you would expect if you select and promote people because of their political views instead of their ability.

[Nosuperstition]

This is no more than you would expect if you select and promote people because of their political views instead of their ability.

I have read that promotion based on loyalty is something inherent in Communist countries and in capitalist countries only meritocracy is favoured.My tutor once quoting some girl named Sree Lakshmi or someone who left India for the U.S said that because of reservations we of the upper caste have no opportunities left for us and hence we must leave by studying hard.

[sum]

Hello Fernando

With respect to advisors to the Prime Minister, it was stated that Cameron had the following -

Cameron`s Advisors

Baroness Warsi
Tariq Ramadan
Sajid Javid
Tariq Ahmad
Mohamed Sheikh
Syed Kamall

I wonder if Theresa May has the same advisors.

sum

[Nosuperstition]

Baroness Warsi
Tariq Ramadan
Sajid Javid
Tariq Ahmad
Mohamed Sheikh
Syed Kamall

If Christianity which also works on the principle of fear of everlasting hell got tamed,I fail to understand how Islam might not get tamed.If only had not muslim males not shaved their moustaches and grown their beards and looked shabby in characteristic Arab and Afghan styles,might be even the whole of subcontinent would have got converted to Islam. Afterall muslims ruled over the Northern parts for 700 years and the Southern ones for around 150 to 200 years.

[Fernando]

If Christianity which also works on the principle of fear of everlasting hell got tamed,I fail to understand how Islam might not get tamed.

W
Several reasons, NS. Firstly, Chrisitianity has had an extra 1400 years to calm down. Secondly, the Reformation insofar as it blunted the power of the Church. Also, perhaps not unrelated to the Reformation, Christianity may preach everlasting hellfire after death but Islam promises infidels death right away with everlasting hellfire to follow.

[Nosuperstition]

If Christianity which also works on the principle of fear of everlasting hell got tamed,I fail to understand how Islam might not get tamed.

W
Several reasons, NS. Firstly, Chrisitianity has had an extra 1400 years to calm down. Secondly, the Reformation insofar as it blunted the power of the Church. Also, perhaps not unrelated to the Reformation, Christianity may preach everlasting hellfire after death but Islam promises infidels death right away with everlasting hellfire to follow.

It is said that Islam in many ways resembles the unitarian Arianic cult/heresy of Christianity that was forcibly purged by Theodosius of the Roman Catholic Church.Now Islam ruled over both the Iberian peninsula and many parts of the Indian subcontinent for more than 700 years.If they really wished to they could have made a holocaust of both after all able bodied men are killed off and only women and children are left.For example when the Hindu ruler of Karnataka refused to pay Ziziyah,the extortion tax,they made almost such a complete holocaust that the Hindu ruler was compelled to pay the tax.Yet the fact that they chose to allow their subjects to practice their faith after paying tax only shows that they were primarily concerned with extortion in the initial stages of conquest.So interpretation plays a major role even in case of Islam.

[Nosuperstition]

People on the net have indeed said that the non-Western countries should not try to extract revenge from Western countries for whatever that has happened during colonial times as the West still has enough bullets to kill two to three times the present population of the world.Similarly there are many who said that we Western countries have enough nuke power to turn the sacred lands of Islam into glass however we are not doing it as we are civilised.Might be muslims too would have thought and said the same when they were in positions of power sufficient enough to inflict collateral damage in middle ages.So their thinking class is not all that brain dead as we imagine to be.Might be one can deal with them if they are wise enough to deal with their thinking classes.

[idesigner1]

If Christianity which also works on the principle of fear of everlasting hell got tamed,I fail to understand how Islam might not get tamed.

W
Several reasons, NS. Firstly, Chrisitianity has had an extra 1400 years to calm down. Secondly, the Reformation insofar as it blunted the power of the Church. Also, perhaps not unrelated to the Reformation, Christianity may preach everlasting hellfire after death but Islam promises infidels death right away with everlasting hellfire to follow.

Beside the time period and reformation, Christianity had very flexible and pacifist message. It gave lots of leeways from eternal hell fire. Their idea of Redemption and Forgiveness was very unlike anything Orthodox Jews and Muslim religion taught. In their dark ages Catholic priests didn't allow people to read Bible, they are the one who interpreted it. Once masses read message of their saviour it all changed and it established itself a liberating theology of this world and here after!where almost everything can be forgiven. It became religion of liberalism.

Many Christians in US practice this forgiveness to their tormentors which non Christians can't understand. Those black Christian women of South Carolina forgave their mass murderer in Church. You can find several examples!This has appeal to many.They say they have to forgive sinner as their lord is going to forgive them!

Compare this with preaching of Mohemmed and his life style.Any way you interpreted message of their Koran and Mohemmed can be interpreted as mean mother punishing g religion in this world and next if you break rule in a minor way!

[sum]

I am not aware of any politician raising his head above the parapets and saying anything about the future of Islam in Britain and its demographic significance.

Has anyone ever been aware of any politician saying what the future holds regarding muslims in society?

sum

[Fernando]

I am not aware of any politician raising his head above the parapets and saying anything about the future of Islam in Britain and its demographic significance.

Has anyone ever been aware of any politician saying what the future holds regarding muslims in society?

sum

I imagine Anne Marie Waters has had a few things to say - and even UKIP rejected her.

[sum]

Hello Fernando

Paul Weston of Liberty GB recently quoted that in Britain 15% of the breeding age population is muslim and that at the present rates of breeding muslims will be the majority within two generations.

I wonder if our politicians are aware of this but simply just put their heads in the sand because they have no idea what to do about it.

sum

[Nosuperstition]

They say they have to forgive sinner as their lord is going to forgive them!

Compare this with preaching of Mohemmed and his life style.Any way you interpreted message of their Koran and Mohemmed can be interpreted as mean mother punishing g religion in this world and next if you break rule in a minor way!

When I said that God is most merciful and oft forgiving in Islam,sum did indeed say that the idea of whether or not Allah really forgives him lingers in the mind of a believing muslim.
However Allah is said to be a 100 times more merciful/more loving than a mother.Now a mother will sometimes take time but almost forgives anything an offspring does against her in most cases due to her love.So doesn't Islam also stand for forgiving most sins?

As far as I am concerned you should reap what have sown.If that also involves me having to suffer in this or the next life if ever there is such a thing,so be it.

[Nosuperstition]

where almost everything can be forgiven. It became religion of liberalism.

Many Christians in US practice this forgiveness to their tormentors which non Christians can't understand. Those black Christian women of South Carolina forgave their mass murderer in Church. You can find several examples!This has appeal to many.They say they have to forgive sinner as their lord is going to forgive them!

If I am correct,in the Bible it is asked of the believers to forgive their fellow baptised religionists not 7 times,not 77 times but 777 times.So if one follows this dictum they must not forgive their co-religionists more than 777 times.However there is another verse in the bible 'judge not lest ye be judged'.Now by this dictum if you judge someone as a murderer or rapist,the same rule will be applied upon you.So you will only forgive someone else if you too had indulged in those sins.Else you are not likely to forgive them.

[Nosuperstition]

Once masses read message of their saviour it all changed and it established itself a liberating theology of this world and here after!where almost everything can be forgiven. It became religion of liberalism.

Hinduism in the sub-continent during the period of Aryan Mauryan expansion deep into its southern parts said that a female slave if raped by a master is not a slave anymore.It also laid down some other injuctions against slavery/discouraging slavery it seems in the text of Artha Saastra of that period.Now at that point of time Hinduism was competing with Buddhism. Mauryan Emperor Ashoka of 250 B.C who inscribed himself in rock edicts as devanaam priya or the one dear to gods did indeed say that religious competition is indeed good and for that reason he did not establish Inquisition at eradicating Hinduism even though he supported Buddhism generously from his treasury.

Now once Buddhism was gone and Hinduism alone remained during the VijayaNagar periods around 1300 A.D to 1600 A.D,slave markets once again resurfaced.So it is not difficult to imagine by any stretch of imagination what would happen once competition is gone and power becomes absolute.Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

[idesigner1]

According to numerous accounts in Ancient India there was no slavery similar to Romans, Islam or Colonists. There was bonded labor. Caste system supplied slaves for life time and was as bad as slavery but very inefficient for Aryan rulers. This is the reason Indian dynasties failed! Any civilization which perfected slave catching, breeding and keeping them captive progressed and ruled others for few hundred years or till achines made them useless! Look how many years Romans ruled, Musallas of ME ruled, or white of Africa, Whites of US and Spaniards rule! Forget about their inventions etc. Slave made them prosperous!Slave help them settle new land they captured from hapless natives. Whole Caribbean was settled by slave labors once native became extinct! Once slavery gone again Puero RICO and countries like Haiti became u se le s!

[Nosuperstition]

Slave made them prosperous!

In the discovery channel/National geographic channel they showed the Angkor wat temple in Cambodia ,the largest Hindu temple in the world before it was turned into a Buddhist place of worship and said that constructing such huge structures is not possible without slave labour or captive labour of defeated rival tribes.Looks more so like guesswork to me than any real archaeological evidence such as stone inscriptions or religious texts.They said that slaves were the wheels of ancient societies.

However at attributetoHinduism site,they did indeed say that while Western scholars take Hinduism to task for a few references of slaves in the texts here and there,they totally give a free pass to Buddhism which also at one point of time did condone slavery in South East Asia.However they too did not give any references to back up their claims.

[Nosuperstition]

Slavery in ancient India by Dev Raj Chanana is a book given by one famous old forum member named THHuxley.However it is true that chattel slavery was already done away possibly to a great extent within Hinduism by the time Islam arrived.