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glitch wrote:
Go here and re-read my original post - detailing the real reasons for which I oppose Trump.
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Otherwise, act like a mature individual, and make sure you read and comprehend what others write and mean to say - before you jump your gun and hip-hoot with your baseless accusations (I hate Trump, etc).
How is it a baseless accusation. Every one of your posts mentions him as stupid.You spent an entire post, the one above, saying you thought he was a petty, selfish man who never experienced pain, or hunger or loss or ever treated anyone with dignity and respet, never had to work for anything--never bqsically, as your post says, never really was a human being... you basically spent the entire post dehumanizing him, which by the way is what Hitler did to the jews, and what Muhammed did to the jews and you are supposedly Isreali... You confirm this constantly by a quick punch to the nuts in every one of your posts by calling him stupid. I expect this from Sam.

I hate what he does and the way he acts.
The way he acts is personal and not the issue. What he does should be followed by his policies which as i said, you've discussed 2. You don't like his tarrifs because they might be hurting farmers--and i agree her4--if they don't work, i'll denounce them.

As for th mueller probe, again you often end your posts saying"if mueller finds it." or "evidence is coming." You know that is a cop out--as is the assertion he stole the election.
As an Israeli, I fully approve and support his stands about Jerusalem and his opposition to the regime in Iran. As an American, I do not like - nor support his divisiveness and constant lies and distortion of the truth.

Her's the sum total.... show me the worst of his lies and compare it to Clinton lying under oath an Obama pushing lies to get his legislation of Obamacare pushed through. What war have his lies started? You do't like lies--that's noble--i need to know what lies he's said that you dont like--if its that he lies at all--then grow up.
This man puts his own narcissistic self before the good of the country.
SHOW me one example. This last statement is a personal opinion. Nothing more. you still havrn't dealt with hi policies. Do you understand--behavior is not policy and i'd appreciate it if you actually dealt with the policies.
I fully stand by my comments - period.
(I am not the only one with the assessment of Trump. Many others around the world feel the same way about him - unfit to be in the WH)

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Then its clear you simply hate him. You aren't interested in dealing with his policies. that's fine--you simply need to say that,but you pretend your hatred of him personally is justification for anything he does, as opposed to how he acts. It's funny how you won't actually say it--in response at least SAM is honest--Jews in Sam's eyes are dehuman pigs--worthy of extermination--at the hands of clear chosen one muslims.

You however, refuse to say the obvious. You hate Trump--but you lie and say its all legit--your hatred will not let you actually discuss policies and you justify all kind of things such as you who are not a spychiatrist get to evaluate him by calling him stupid and a narcissist. Your unwillingness to discuss his policies shows your hatred--its sad your too cowardly to simply say what it in your heart.

Very sad.

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Hombre wrote:Please, let me make it clear. I do not oppose neither GOP of Democrats, nor Liberal or Conservatives. in free word, everyone is entitled to his / her opinion - as long as they do not deprive others of same privileges.

My bone and opposition is to one man - TRUMP. & only Trump

From childhood and all my life I was taught the sanctity of being honest, truthful and belief in work hard. A philosophy to which, I also passed on to my own children. I am sure all our friends here - regardless of our respective political or religious underpinning - we do believe in those principals.

When we made mistakes - we paid for those mistakes (lost of job, a friend, marriage, etc). When we succeeded in life, it was also due to our own hard work, diligence with moral integrity & turpitude.

For all his life, this Trump was pumpered by his rich parents. When he failed - always, it was someone else who either bailed him out, or took the fall for him - be it his own rich father (4 bankruptcies), banks, his Lawyers, innocent contractors, or other hard working Americans who believed his lies to make them as rich as he is.

He never sacrificed anything for anyone - except his own selfish life. He never felt grief, nor hunger, or thirst. Never had any sympathy for others - including to mothers (Ivana & Marla) of his own children. Never apologized to anyone, nor regret for hurting others. As NYTimes mentioned. He demands blind loyalty from others, but offers one to others.

His exhibits clear signs of emotional and mental deficiency to be near him - let alone lead by him.

No way am I going to support anyone who cares only about himself. This is not what I have been taught by my parent, nor teach my children & grandchildren.

I would be most interested to read others views - particularly from his blind supporters - why they support him.
Your entire post is you don't like Trump--which later evolved to you want to destroy him (politically) but hey if someone kills him, it's Trump's Fault--every inch of this post is personal hatred. you say you would be interested in other views, but in the same sentence you then say but anythibg from you is blind anyway. You should really just be clear-- your statement should be "i hate trump" pure and simple--it keeps us from having to pretend you arent biased. Regardless in America and Isreal Elections have consequences--Barak Obama.

Guess people like you want it both ways...

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Report: US Therapists See Increase in Patients With 'Trump Anxiety Disorder'
Therapists say there's been a rise in anxiety stemming from the country's politics, and it is being called "Trump Anxiety Disorder."

A report from CBC News in Canada says that since President Trump was elected, mental health professionals in the United States have seen an increase in patients whose stress has come from politics.

A prevalent "symptom" of the "disorder" is feeling as though the world is going to end.
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I take it my points were just off--that Hombre has been completely honest and thorough in his posts?

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Why so angry? He has his views you have yours. Was he "completely honest"? From his point of view, yes. Accurate in everything? How do I know. Sure he may have occasionally tried to "pull your string" a bit, but let's face it, you probably did the same here and there.

You support Trump 100%, it seems, he opposes him. Neither of you are going to convince the other by arguing. Let's wait and see and evaluate his presidency when he leaves office. I dare say, there will be a mixed bag, good things as well as bad. One thing for sure, there never has been a president who faced so many personal attacks. For many English people, there is a tendency to side with people who are treated like that.

There are things I like about him, such as not buying the "Palestinian" fairy tale, and moving the US embassy to Jerusalem. I also liked the idea of was falsely described as a "Muslim ban". And on the face of it he succeeded in North Korea more than anyone before. Then suggesting that everybody should contribute to NATO as per agreement is also good. Other things, not so sure.... health care? Mexico?

He sure will change the US before he leaves, but unless he can persuade people like hombre that at least some of his changes are good, the next president may well undo much of what he has done.
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I predict a second term for Trump.
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manfred wrote: You support Trump 100%, it seems, he opposes him.
If one pays attention - this glitch guy uses the same tactics employed by many ill-informed conservatives.

Since they can't mount counter-argument defending their leader (Trump) on a sheer intellectual level, they use 3 tactics. a) Change the subject & focus on someone else (what about Hillary, or Obama?). b) Try to render those who disagree with them (like me) on an emotional level (you hate him), in an effort to depict them as "irrationals" driven by raw emotional fervor - rather than simple intellectual discourse. c) Resort to name calling (you are Liberal, Socialist, or enemy of the people) intended to denigrate or otherwise silence them.

Otherwise, I made it amply clear - I oppose his divisive and outright thuggish behavior worthy of street thugs - not for a POUS. I do support his move on Jerusalem and his effort to remove the regime in Iran.
Domestic policy? that's another story.

His move on TPP, NAFTA & climate change was made not on a thorough study of these all-important treaties - rather on sheer ego & utter ignorance. Because of his ill-informed decisions, today US is more isolated - even by our own allies than ever before.

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pr126 wrote:I predict a second term for Trump.
As much as I predict Trump will divorce melania and marry one of Putin's nieces to form a close family relationship with him.
(you are funny :lotpot: )

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TDS & TAD

The First Fake Media-Induced Mental Illness
Fake mainstream news sources have actually succeeded in broadcasting so much unbridled fear into the United States that weak-kneed left-leaning Americans are coming down with a mental illness that goes by two different names: Trump Anxiety Disorder and Trump Derangement Syndrome.

The symptoms of these conditions include a delusional belief that it's the end of the world, a disorientation that's beyond the liberal norm, an unhealthy obsession with following every liberal news channel's apocalypse of the day, a deep sense of anxiety and dread, and being prone to unhinged hissy fits if anyone dares to besmirch the sterling reputation of either Hillary Rodham Clinton or Barack Hussein Obama.

While "Trump Anxiety Disorder" (a term originally coined by psychologist Jennifer Panning) and Trump Derangement Syndrome are real, they have been deceivingly misnamed. These mental illnesses have absolutely nothing to do with our 45th president and everything to do with our partisan media, who are ruthlessly and unethically trying to take down our duly elected commander in chief.
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Hombre wrote:If one pays attention - this glitch guy uses the same tactics employed by many ill-informed conservatives.

Okay, I have taken manfred's comments to heart so you will see a difference.

hombre in the beginning of the quote refers to me as "ill-informed' meaning he believes I don't follow the news--or even read. I happen to have a very high education level and i have studied the US Constitution--which by the way allows the president to suspend entrance into the country. This is also why the supreme court upheld it but not before Sotomayer was allowed to call him a racist in her dissent.
Since they can't mount counter-argument defending their leader (Trump) on a sheer intellectual level, they use 3 tactics. a) Change the subject & focus on someone else (what about Hillary, or Obama?).
There are numerous posts where i wask Hombre to deal with Trump's policies. He mentioned 2.
b) Try to render those who disagree with them (like me) on an emotional level (you hate him),
I asked numerous times if Hombre thought it was fair the way the media treated trump. No response.
I asked him to deal with policy--not behavior. Hombre doubled down saying he stands by his comments. His comments are posted here--Trump is a Thug. Trump is rude. Trump's behavior is the sum total of his comments.
in an effort to depict them as "irrationals" driven by raw emotional fervor - rather than simple intellectual discourse. c) Resort to name calling (you are Liberal, Socialist, or enemy of the people) intended to denigrate or otherwise silence them.
I called Hombre a coward--that was wrong. i apologize. Hombre has however called me braindead--stupid, uninformed--brainwashed. I could gather all the names--there is no point--he discounts me in his posts--the same way he discounts trump constantly--referring to his intelligence constantly.
Otherwise, I made it amply clear - I oppose his divisive and outright thuggish behavior worthy of street thugs
Behavior is what Hombre attacks. Still not dealing with his policies.

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- not for a POUS. I do support his move on Jerusalem and his effort to remove the regime in Iran. [/quote]

The two issues alone make him a better president then the last 4 before him.

Domestic policy? that's another story.
Be nice if you named them other than saying they are "another story."
His move on TPP, NAFTA & climate change was made not on a thorough study of these all-important treaties - rather on sheer ego & utter ignorance. Because of his ill-informed decisions, today US is more isolated - even by our own allies than ever before.
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So be nice if you could point out how his choices are uninformed other than just your opinion.

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pr126 wrote:Report: US Therapists See Increase in Patients With 'Trump Anxiety Disorder'
Therapists say there's been a rise in anxiety stemming from the country's politics, and it is being called "Trump Anxiety Disorder."
No, it's just going mad.
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In this clip you get some information about Trump's wife....

What I found rather interesting is the fact that both Bill and Hilary Clinton attended her wedding with Trump...
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manfred wrote:

In this clip you get some information about Trump's wife....

What I found rather interesting is the fact that both Bill and Hilary Clinton attended her wedding with Trump...
His sin Manfred is he dared to Challenge Hillary. The minute he ran for president he became a racist.

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I just was surprised to learn that Hilary and Trump must have been on much better terms at one point...
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manfred wrote:Why so angry? He has his views you have yours. Was he "completely honest"? From his point of view, yes. Accurate in everything? How do I know.
From his view point? Hitler felt "from his Viewpoint"n that killing Jews was okay. That's moral reletivism. So why aren't muslims right? I mean the way i see it? Right?
Antifa breaks the law since from their viewpoint, Conservatives are nasty Natzi's--that i imagine its all okay.


Sure he may have occasionally tried to "pull your string" a bit, but let's face it, you probably did the same here and there.
I did, I admit, but i did askhim to deal with the policies which he ignores. I actually believe there is a limit--when facts don't match up. I feel it is okay for Hombre to hate him--i can then stop wasting my time--but his posts bsically say the same thing--and that is because he feels that Trump is rude and stupid he should be removed from presidency--which isn't an argument. Hombre hwever claim to be fair--though his posts only talk about trump's behavior, they present behavior as the facts of his presidency.

Ignring the policy is not honest from any viewpoint. If I said, "I love hitler and hitler was a good man,: and someone said, "Well her murdered 6 million jews." and i ignored tht from "My viewpoint." then my failure to talk about that is as the Jewish Rabbi's claim, "I agree with what he did." Silence is Agreement.

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From his view point? Hitler felt "from his Viewpoint"n that killing Jews was okay. That's moral reletivism. So why aren't muslims right? I mean the way i see it? Right?
Antifa breaks the law since from their viewpoint, Conservatives are nasty Natzi's--that i imagine its all okay.
No, that is not what I was trying to say....

Sure, Hitler convinced himself that he should eradicate the Jews in Europe (at least). That does not make him automatically DISHONEST. I cannot look into his his mind, but he actually managed, it seems, to convince himself that he was doing the right thing. So would he be morally responsible?

That depends on his mental state, and specifically how he got himself into believing such a thing. He abandoned the moral guidelines all the world would follow, do not do to others what you loathe to be done to you.

Every single criminal will tell you a reason why his choices are a special case, and why he is not culpable because of that.

We all have an innate sense of right and wrong, the thing that bible calls the apple we ate. But we also have the ability to turn this sense off or pervert it in ourselves and others. But in perverting our ability to see what is right, we do not free ourselves from guilt.

There are objectives standards of moral behaviour, and if we make ourselves an exception to them then we are guilty nonetheless.

Hitler should have known better. That is his sin, that he lied first to himself and then perverted countless others to follow him.

If anyone want to be a leader or guide to others, he must first find a sure guide for himself. Nobody is more evil than the man that drags others with him into perversion.

Hitler's sin did not start with ordering the holocaust... it started much earlier, when he allowed himself to believe that some people are more human than others...

Finally, it is really rather strong to compare hombre with Hitler, because he does not agree with you. He has his view on Trump, as you have. Afterall, neither of you hold views that would lead you to harm other people, right? So explore, discuss, but also listen to see to each other, so that you can see each other's ideas clearly.
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manfred wrote:
No, that is not what I was trying to say....

Sure, Hitler convinced himself that he should eradicate the Jews in Europe (at least). That does not make him automatically DISHONEST. I cannot look into his his mind, but he actually managed, it seems, to convince himself that he was doing the right thing. So would he be morally responsible?

That depends on his mental state, and specifically how he got himself into believing such a thing. He abandoned the moral guidelines all the world would follow, do not do to others what you loathe to be done to you.
1. That is a jewish/christian precept, which i assume he was supposed to believe--since everyone likes to point out that he was a christian supposedly every time, specifically, they want to stick it to the christians. He abandoned all notion of right and wrong when he did this--to say he was not responsible is i think at best quesionable.

Your point, respectfully is the term, 'the way he sees it. I've tried to point out, i believe Hombre has a right to hate trump--but he centers his entire thoughts on the matter in the area of Trump's behavior--if Trump is a bad man then it would reflect in his policies--he would have begun all kinds of intolerance, such as putting Muslims in concentration camps, and white supremecist tactics such as racist acts of outright unconstitutional actions--but he doesnt seem to be doing that.
Hitler's sin did not start with ordering the holocaust... it started much earlier, when he allowed himself to believe that some people are more human than others...
Finally, it is really rather strong to compare hombre with Hitler, because he does not agree with you. He has his view on Trump, as you have. Afterall, neither of you hold views that would lead you to harm other people, right? So explore, discuss, but also listen to see to each other, so that you can see each other's ideas clearly.
I did not compare Hombre to Hitler in anyway, i used the analogy of hitler to discuss moral relevance.

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I do/can NOT understand those who are attacking/criticizing and going as far as smearing Pres. Trump and his family. What would they prefer Obama the fanatic Muslim who's aim was/is destroying America which is the dream of every Muslim?!! Or, the crazy power hungry Hillary, who is sleeping with the criminal Muslims

Does any one here knows that obamacarte has a provision which exempts Muslims of the crazy penalty YET they are covoered?! And it is so expensive that my son could not pay for health insurance.

Does any one here knows that he(Obama zeft) paid $ i.5 Billion to the Muslim Brotherhood at the beginning of 2009? I can go on and on listing the treasonous acts he proudly committed against our nation. But, enough of this horrible name Barak Hussein Obama.
The mainstream media is the pest of our country.

Lastly, can any one tells me which president in our lofe time history fullfilled his campain's promises or should I say most promises, before I get bombarded.

Just look at what he has already done and be a true American and encourage him. He is a humanbeing who needds our support. If just 10% of what obama got.


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Dear manfred,
from his replies - it is obvious glitch has a glitch in his cognitive reasoning. :lotpot:
He does not read - nor tries to understand what others write. "I Hate Trump". Where did I write such a sentence?. Nowhere. Nor did I ever mentioned Hitler - where did this name appear in our conversation.?

I loathe & disdain Trump's behavior. Regardless who is he, or the office which he holds, no one can antagonize, insult, attack, or questions the integrity on powerful people - such as former heads of FBI, NSA or the CIA and get away with it. They know lot more about him his dealings with shady characters around the world, then he knows about them.

At the right moment, they will leak extremely damaging info on him to the media which will deal a blow to his presidency - who knows perhaps lead to criminal charges against him

Best to ignore glitch's comments and move on.

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