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Mohamed wanted to start a religion similar to that of people of the book so naturally he plagiarized as much as he can from within his patial knowledge.He also copied Alexander romance and hence muslms were forced to regard pagan Alexander as a prophet , never mind Mohd. was a pagan too. Except some aspects jewish prayer is still different.
https://www.quora.com/Do-Jews-pray-in-s ... as-Muslims
Moslems are too desperate to link their cult back to jews or christians in order to give some legitimacy to their peado barbarian.Listen if someone starts another cult today copying Muslim cult style and its rituals would that be considered islam or its continuation too?

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Centaur wrote:Mohamed wanted to start a religion similar to that of people of the book so naturally he plagiarized as much as he can from within his patial knowledge.He also copied Alexander romance and hence muslms were forced to regard pagan Alexander as a prophet , never mind Mohd. was a pagan too. Except some aspects jewish prayer is still different.
https://www.quora.com/Do-Jews-pray-in-s ... as-Muslims
Moslems are too desperate to link their cult back to jews or christians in order to give some legitimacy to their peado barbarian.Listen if someone starts another cult today copying Muslim cult style and its rituals would that be considered islam or its continuation too?

Indeed a cult copying Islam was born in New England USA in form of Mormonism. Life and time of Joe Smith, his goofed book where one copy is still under lock and key in heaven,no one saw the original!The cult mimics Islam and Mohemmed in detail. Many historians believe he copied Islam!His real Book of Mormon is a translation! He called himself prophet in line of Abraham etc. Brought new laws! He used to regularly talk to his God. Finally he got killed by upright Christian folks of Illinois. And Uncle Sam's army won't let them expand beyond Utah. If Joe Smith and his followers had inherited a continent withou strong democratic Republic and if it had several warring tribes like Arabian peninsula there would have been one religion in USA I.e.Mormonism!So organized, so disciplined , so perfect in al respect that
white folks in each and every state are greatly impressed by this crazy philosophy! Fastest growing religion in the world even surpasses Islam in new converts!

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Centaur wrote:Mohamed wanted to start a religion similar to that of people of the book so naturally he plagiarized as much as he can from within his patial knowledge.He also copied Alexander romance and hence muslms were forced to regard pagan Alexander as a prophet , never mind Mohd. was a pagan too. Except some aspects jewish prayer is still different.
https://www.quora.com/Do-Jews-pray-in-s ... as-Muslims
Moslems are too desperate to link their cult back to jews or christians in order to give some legitimacy to their peado barbarian.Listen if someone starts another cult today copying Muslim cult style and its rituals would that be considered islam or its continuation too?

Except facing to own holy cities - unlike Muslims, Jews do not kneel on the
ground (and fart to face of the guy behind), and by no means bang their head on a stone.
Let's remember that Muhammad was illiterate man - as himself had admitted (unlettered) during his alleged first encounter with
Angle Gabriel. Therefore, all his knowledge came through mere audio-visual. What he heard, or saw, not reading others people's
writ of wisdom.

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idesigner1 wrote:
Centaur wrote:Mohamed wanted to start a religion similar to that of people of the book so naturally he plagiarized as much as he can from within his patial knowledge.He also copied Alexander romance and hence muslms were forced to regard pagan Alexander as a prophet , never mind Mohd. was a pagan too. Except some aspects jewish prayer is still different.
https://www.quora.com/Do-Jews-pray-in-s ... as-Muslims
Moslems are too desperate to link their cult back to jews or christians in order to give some legitimacy to their peado barbarian.Listen if someone starts another cult today copying Muslim cult style and its rituals would that be considered islam or its continuation too?

Indeed a cult copying Islam was born in New England USA in form of Mormonism. Life and time of Joe Smith, his goofed book where one copy is still under lock and key in heaven,no one saw the original!The cult mimics Islam and Mohemmed in detail. Many historians believe he copied Islam!His real Book of Mormon is a translation! He called himself prophet in line of Abraham etc. Brought new laws! He used to regularly talk to his God. Finally he got killed by upright Christian folks of Illinois. And Uncle Sam's army won't let them expand beyond Utah. If Joe Smith and his followers had inherited a continent withou strong democratic Republic and if it had several warring tribes like Arabian peninsula there would have been one religion in USA I.e.Mormonism!So organized, so disciplined , so perfect in al respect that
white folks in each and every state are greatly impressed by this crazy philosophy! Fastest growing religion in the world even surpasses Islam in new converts!
Interesting. Many years ago a colleague of mine who was a Mormon told me. "we Mormon have copied the best tents of Judaism and incorporate them in
our religion.
I tend to believe him because - though their ultimate objective is spread their believe all over the world, Mormons (as far as I know) do not preach "violence against unbelievers".

One point of contention to which I have with Mormons is. back in late 60's Mormons asked permission from Israeli government to set up few "missionaries"as bridge between Christians and Jews.
Being a democracy and then a socialist state - Israel allowed them to do so with one major stipulation - no attempt to lure or convert Jews into Christianity. Despite their promise, they
did convert few young Jews. That when Israel stepped on the brake and curtailed their activities there.

Another issue Jews have with Mormon, is with their vast library of genealogy which include majority of Jews. They have the chutzpa & use it to baptize deceased Jews, all without the knowledge or permission from
the families of the deceased - including those 6M Jewswho perished during the Holocaust. A move which do not please any Jew and much fuss was raised about it.

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Admitted that modern Mormons are neat, clean, hard working Americans. In past they were pretty brutal with defectors and used to kill defectors. As they have to follow US laws it all stopped long time ago. Now they resort to social pressure and lots of enticement to new converts.

Some Americans think that converting deceased person is harmless Mormon activity but it's absurd and hurts feeling of survivors. Some time Mormons in US obtain address of dying person, enter their residence and perform death bed conversions! This happened to one Hindu family in Arizona!

Their religion is most successful and surpasses Muslims so far conversion goes! It's fastest growing religion in Philippines.

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Oh, idesigner! What rubbish have the Muslims sold you? Smith was an even bigger plagiarist than Mohammed: he stole the whole let from a Christian: Rev. Solomon Spalding and/or Pastor Ethan Smith. The Hebrew Bible is, in any case, heavily copied too. Like Muslims, the Mormons were only in it for the polygamy.
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Fernando wrote:Oh, idesigner! What rubbish have the Muslims sold you? Smith was an even bigger plagiarist than Mohammed: he stole the whole let from a Christian: Rev. Solomon Spalding and/or Pastor Ethan Smith. The Hebrew Bible is, in any case, heavily copied too. Like Muslims, the Mormons were only in it for the polygamy.



That's pretty much the reason that Study in Scarlet has never been made as a movie. Morman's are the bad guys in the book. Doyle didn't like them, and the gist of it is tht mormons want multiple wives, which is not acceptable in judiasm nor in christianity.


one last thing, this thread has been hijacked.. it is supposed to be on President Trump Hombre has been now allowed to avoid the question... could we stop this?

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It looks like our "beloved" Pres. trump is being investigated for possible obstruction of Justice after all. Oy Vey!!! :wot:
Who would do such a thing to least popular president in US history. A president renowned for his lies-with-class.
The more Trump tweets, comments against this move - the more I believe he is guilty.

Read On:
Special counsel is investigating Trump for possible obstruction of justice, officials say
By Devlin Barrett, Adam Entous, Ellen Nakashima and Sari Horwitz June 14 at 6:21 PM

The special counsel overseeing the investigation into Russia’s role in the 2016 election is interviewing senior intelligence officials as part of a widening probe that now includes an examination of whether President Trump attempted to obstruct justice, officials said.

The move by special counsel Robert S. Mueller III to investigate Trump’s conduct marks a major turning point in the nearly year-old FBI investigation, which until recently focused on Russian meddling during the presidential campaign and on whether there was any coordination between the Trump campaign and the Kremlin. Investigators have also been looking for any evidence of possible financial crimes among Trump associates, officials said.

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The guy is extremely paranoid.Proof when he won against his Repo opponent he kept on raving and ranting and won't stop kicking his defeated Republican candidates!!

It all started with his accusation that Obama bugged Trump tower.

He had no proof and finally it snow balled into FBI investigations. FBI investigated his accusations and dug up lot more!!

Still he responds to rumours and unsubstantiated charges! Only psycho will do that!

If he had kept quiet from day one, few of his campaign staff would have pleaded guilty for receiving money from Russians and all cases closed. Oh no !!he had to screw up the victory and disappoint his supporter.

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knowing what we know now about Trump himself being investigates, Obama must have had a good reason to approve (if he did) the tapping of Trump's phones by intelligence serves.

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Hombre wrote:It looks like our "beloved" Pres. trump is being investigated for possible obstruction of Justice after all. Oy Vey!!! :wot:
Who would do such a thing to least popular president in US history. A president renowned for his lies-with-class.
The more Trump tweets, comments against this move - the more I believe he is guilty.

Read On:
Special counsel is investigating Trump for possible obstruction of justice, officials say
By Devlin Barrett, Adam Entous, Ellen Nakashima and Sari Horwitz June 14 at 6:21 PM

The special counsel overseeing the investigation into Russia’s role in the 2016 election is interviewing senior intelligence officials as part of a widening probe that now includes an examination of whether President Trump attempted to obstruct justice, officials said.

The move by special counsel Robert S. Mueller III to investigate Trump’s conduct marks a major turning point in the nearly year-old FBI investigation, which until recently focused on Russian meddling during the presidential campaign and on whether there was any coordination between the Trump campaign and the Kremlin. Investigators have also been looking for any evidence of possible financial crimes among Trump associates, officials said.

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Hey, Fauzreali. Trump was never under investigation as said by Crqzy Comey. Flynn was never under investigation, so Trump can't be charged with obstruction for a case that never was.

and this special counsil is Comey's best friend, and has a left agenda. You done?

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Hombre wrote:knowing what we know now about Trump himself being investigates, Obama must have had a good reason to approve (if he did) the tapping of Trump's phones by intelligence serves.
Hombe, i thought that didnt happen at all. Funny how you flip flop when it suits you.

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glitch wrote:Hey, Fauzreali. Trump was never under investigation as said by Crqzy Comey. Flynn was never under investigation, so Trump can't be charged with obstruction for a case that never was.

and this special counsil is Comey's best friend, and has a left agenda. You done?
On which planet do you live mister.? Stop watching Hannaty. he poisons your mind (if you have one).
All our 17 intelligence services have confirmed of Russian interference in our election. It was Trump himself who went on TV to the whole world & begged Russian hackers, "Please hack Hillary's email". That's bloody illegal for a presidential candidate to say such a thing.

If he is innocent, then he should not be paranoid and let Special Prosecutor to his job. If he found not guilty then he will come out winner. If not - he will be thrown out of office.

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Hombre wrote:
glitch wrote:Hey, Fauzreali. Trump was never under investigation as said by Crqzy Comey. Flynn was never under investigation, so Trump can't be charged with obstruction for a case that never was.

and this special counsil is Comey's best friend, and has a left agenda. You done?
On which planet do you live mister.? Stop watching Hannaty. he poisons your mind (if you have one).
All our 17 intelligence services have confirmed of Russian interference in our election. It was Trump himself who went on TV to the whole world & begged Russian hackers, "Please hack Hillary's email". That's bloody illegal for a presidential candidate to say such a thing.

If he is innocent, then he should not be paranoid and let Special Prosecutor to his job. If he found not guilty then he will come out winner. If not - he will be thrown out of office.
1. the 17 special agencies line, which you just repeated is a lie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NevA1FFfj7s" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Clapper in this leak says 3. Clapper says Obama asked Clapper to look into this. The 3 mentioned assessed email hacking.

No mention of election hacking. No mention of vote hacking.

2. Trump was not president, when he joked about Hilary Clinton's destruction of evidence and email negligence. He was in the middle of an election and you don't know jack about what is illegal and what is.
3. Comey stated he was not under investigation at any point. I didn't watch any fox news on thait I read Comeys testamony transcript. Stop being a bitch and thowing fox news in my face.

4, Russia hacking the DNC is not hacking the election.
Regardless of emails. Hillary Clinton Won the popular vote. They made the electoral college re-vote, the numbers were the same.
There's no evidence of any change in voting, in any way, You and the rest of the lying democrats have nothing. for russia to change electoral votes it woud have to influence electors in several states.

5 Flynn wrote a book years ago about Putin and he hates him.

Comey himself said thee was not evidence of any altering of votes, abd Marco Rubio listed out 8 states, andCcomey said no on every one. Counter that Fauxreali.

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Politicofact.com made considerable research on this very issue (3 againcies vs 17). Here is what they wrote:

Clapper’s May 2017 congressional testimony, on the other hand, was about the much more comprehensive January 2017 report produced by the CIA, FBI and NSA. The process of putting that report together didn’t start until months after we published this article, in December 2016, at which point the intelligence community decided to restrict the investigation to those three agencies.

Here’s what Clapper said, according to Congressional Quarterly. ("ICA" refers to the January 2017 "intelligence community assessment.")

"Additionally, I'll briefly address four related topics that have emerged since the ICA was produced. Because of both classification and some executive privilege strictures requested by the White House, there are limits to what I can discuss. And of course my direct official knowledge of any of this stopped on 20 January when my term of office was happily over.

"As you know, the (ICA) was a coordinated product from three agencies; CIA, NSA, and the FBI not all 17 components of the intelligence community. Those three under the aegis of my former office. Following an extensive intelligence reporting about many Russian efforts to collect on and influence the outcome of the presidential election, President Obama asked us to do this in early December and have it completed before the end of his term."

The January report presented its findings by saying "we assess," with "we" meaning "an assessment by all three agencies."

The October statement, on the other hand, said "The U.S. Intelligence Community (USIC) is confident" in its assessment. As we noted in the article, the 17 separate agencies did not independently come to this conclusion, but as the head of the intelligence community, the Office of the Director of National Intelligence speaks on behalf of the group.

We stand by our rating.


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what clapper was alluding, due to executive privilege, he could not say "all 17 agencies independently reached same conclusion". It is obvious that by "ICA or USIC it means all US agencies. As it turns out, all intelligence agencies were gathering info on Russian hacking into our election - 14 of them turned their finding to FBI, NSA & CIA to be incorporated into the assessment which Clapper presented to Trump in Trump tower. As we all now by now Trump poo pooed it and dismissed as hoke.

As for Comey. He was clear to point out that, "Trump personally was not under investigation at that time. But he is now. Most likely, Mueller must have received the full intelligence report, and after reading it, decided Trump needs to be investigated.

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Hombre wrote:Politicofact.com made considerable research on this very issue (3 againcies vs 17). Here is what they wrote:

Clapper’s May 2017 congressional testimony, on the other hand, was about the much more comprehensive January 2017 report produced by the CIA, FBI and NSA. The process of putting that report together didn’t start until months after we published this article, in December 2016, at which point the intelligence community decided to restrict the investigation to those three agencies.

Here’s what Clapper said, according to Congressional Quarterly. ("ICA" refers to the January 2017 "intelligence community assessment.")

"Additionally, I'll briefly address four related topics that have emerged since the ICA was produced. Because of both classification and some executive privilege strictures requested by the White House, there are limits to what I can discuss. And of course my direct official knowledge of any of this stopped on 20 January when my term of office was happily over.

"As you know, the (ICA) was a coordinated product from three agencies; CIA, NSA, and the FBI not all 17 components of the intelligence community. Those three under the aegis of my former office. Following an extensive intelligence reporting about many Russian efforts to collect on and influence the outcome of the presidential election, President Obama asked us to do this in early December and have it completed before the end of his term."

The January report presented its findings by saying "we assess," with "we" meaning "an assessment by all three agencies."

The October statement, on the other hand, said "The U.S. Intelligence Community (USIC) is confident" in its assessment. As we noted in the article, the 17 separate agencies did not independently come to this conclusion, but as the head of the intelligence community, the Office of the Director of National Intelligence speaks on behalf of the group.

We stand by our rating.


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what clapper was alluding, due to executive privilege, he could not say "all 17 agencies independently reached same conclusion". It is obvious that by "ICA or USIC it means all US agencies. As it turns out, all intelligence agencies were gathering info on Russian hacking into our election - 14 of them turned their finding to FBI, NSA & CIA to be incorporated into the assessment which Clapper presented to Trump in Trump tower. As we all now by now Trump poo pooed it and dismissed as hoke.

As for Comey. He was clear to point out that, "Trump personally was not under investigation at that time. But he is now. Most likely, Mueller must have received the full intelligence report, and after reading it, decided Trump needs to be investigated.

Hombre. he didn't say 17 agencies.. He said 3. your post here, confirms that. i dont care what yu think or read into it and want to beieve, he didn't say 17 agencies.
so your lying about the 17 agencies. HE said 3.
When you learn to be honest let me know...

you don;t get to ssume wht he ws alluding to qnd this so called article assumes what he didnt say, that is not fact Fauzreali...
thanks...

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Do Americans care about obstruction of justice? if they were Hillary should be in prison for keeping classified emails in unauthorized location and when caught out lying about the same and bleaching her servers which amount to clear obstruction of justice.As for Trump, do not think he actually did anything wrong here, even if he instigated Russians to hack to Hillary mails(no proof yet) that was a cool thing to do because it kept the witch out of power and its in the interest of the nation.



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Glitch
By god, when you are going to grow up?. your concept and understanding things is so shallow, it makes it impossible to level with you. YES Clapper was heard saying 3 agencies. Nonetheless , as I sowed you, people - like "politicofact" who's sole objective is to find facts did analyze Hillary's original contention that "in view of all intelligence services". it is their words - not mine.

In past decades, all 16 US intelligence services were grouped under one roof called USIC (United States Intelligence Community) - headed by DNI.

Each agency collects & analyses different component of Intelligence gathering. (Financial, Political, Military, civilians ect.) At the end of the day, they all share their finding with DNI who packages important components into one cohesive report and reports to the PoUS on daily bases.

That's where the phrase "All 17 intelligence services" comes from. Because, their respective contributions is also included in the report about Trump's dealings with Russia.

Dear centaur
Whatever HC did - she never ever compromised national security. No information from her private server was hacked by Russians. So please lay off the BS "she should be in jail"

Again you & glitch drink too much of the foxnews cool-aid. Hannity is no conservative - he is another opportunistic dude like the rest of them - sell whatever bring them the dinero - $$$$
Just see where Foxnews former "conservative Stars" mygan Kelly and Greta van (whatever ended up - with mother of all liberal networks - NBC

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Centaur wrote:Do Americans care about obstruction of justice? if they were Hillary should be in prison for keeping classified emails in unauthorized location and when caught out lying about the same and bleaching her servers which amount to clear obstruction of justice.As for Trump, do not think he actually did anything wrong here, even if he instigated Russians to hack to Hillary mails(no proof yet) that was a cool thing to do because it kept the witch out of power and its in the interest of the nation.



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People care. During the time Hilary was under Obama would have been the only time she could have been prosecuted. President Obama would not have had that because t wld have left a scar on his administration.

We don't tend to go after someone after the face, or it would be a never ending cycle. At present Democrats are the people pushing this crap. They don't have the votes to impeach. but this entire thing is the democrats obstructing trumps agenda.

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Hombre wrote:Glitch
By god, when you are going to grow up?. your concept and understanding things is so shallow, it makes it impossible to level with you. YES Clapper was heard saying 3 agencies. Nonetheless , as I sowed you, people - like "politicofact" who's sole objective is to find facts did analyze Hillary's original contention that "in view of all intelligence services". it is their words - not mine.

In past decades, all 16 US intelligence services were grouped under one roof called USIC (United States Intelligence Community) - headed by DNI.

Each agency collects & analyses different component of Intelligence gathering. (Financial, Political, Military, civilians ect.) At the end of the day, they all share their finding with DNI who packages important components into one cohesive report and reports to the PoUS on daily bases.

That's where the phrase "All 17 intelligence services" comes from. Because, their respective contributions is also included in the report about Trump's dealings with Russia.

Dear centaur
Whatever HC did - she never ever compromised national security. No information from her private server was hacked by Russians. So please lay off the BS "she should be in jail"

Again you & glitch drink too much of the foxnews cool-aid. Hannity is no conservative - he is another opportunistic dude like the rest of them - sell whatever bring them the dinero - $$$$
Just see where Foxnews former "conservative Stars" mygan Kelly and Greta van (whatever ended up - with mother of all liberal networks - NBC

wow, we;re so lucky Hombre is here to tell us what is and isn't breaking the law.
what is and isn't breaching national security, just like Comey coud ascertain Hillry's intent.
And no Hombre 3 agencies believe The russians hacked the DNC. I'm tired of this and you haven't proved anything just like the democrats keep yelling collusion and keep coming up with nothing.


politivo fact whatever very clerly stated Clapper oversees 16 but he said 3. you do this all the time, just like you never admitted your own pictures showed Obama bowing like a little bitch.

the only thing you hve against trump is you don't like him... you are basically a whiny social justice warrior who just wants to believe that people with money are evil.

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