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Fernando
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manfred wrote:Somehow our Muslim mayor can do and say whatever he likes and to even suggest you disagree is a major crime. I wonder if our prime ministers comment "Things simply cannot continue as they are" will be condemned as "islamophobic"...
Assuredly: Owen Jones has already called May's speech "violating" the electoral truce. Sort of like Jihad during Ramadan, perhaps?
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Democracy notwithstanding - this madness can not continue unabated or confronted.

May's government MUST convene all Muslim religious leaders in UK. Point blank serve a notice - "There is a limit to our patience & tolerance - stop quoting any passage from your bloody Quran which even remotely hint hatred of others - or, we will clamp on you hard".

Moreover, have non-Muslims attend mosques, armed with video camera and record every word uttered by imams there.

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Oh Hombre, if only! And only if they include madrassas and ban "faith" schools. Then there'd just be the families and the underground to deal with.
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Fernando & manfred
Like the old saying goes. It is not WHAT we say - rather HOW we say it.
Why not use psychological tools to fight Islamism. Use Muslims own cultural & sociological tents (shame, and deeds) to change their mind about Muhammad.

Under disguise of "peaceful dialog" you can start conversation - say about Muhammad, and his life. Does fornicating 9 year old child merits rational conversation in today's standards, the answer is yes.

What I mean, through conversation bring Muhammad down to size - demonstrate that he was not "the perfect man". After which - hopefully many Muslim will have different perspective of Islam & that of Muhammad.

Had he lived today, for sure he would be kept in house of meshugene (mental hospital). etc.

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Hi hombre,

this sounds a straight forward idea, but from I have seen on this site, it rarely gets anywhere... Muslim will start getting "upset", then instead of discussing anything you mention they turn to "discussing" you, more like finding names to call you. Then they walk away proudly saying how they "won" the "argument".

I mean, can have serious conversations with people who say naming a teddy bear "Mohammed" is worth a crime worth death or at least public lashes? Where is the common ground?
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Fake news CNN staging a fake protest in the aftermath of LOndon terrorist attack.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9AEy_ ... urn false;


manufactured fake news for you.they are in different league aren't they?
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We all like to support Trump's travel ban for all Muslim countries, however he has only six countries on the list.

Those three London terrorists don't belong to banned countries.

One from Pakistan and two from Morocco, countries not covered by his ban.

Well known US terrorists belonged to Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and Turkey.

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idesigner1 wrote:We all like to support Trump's travel ban for all Muslim countries, however he has only six countries on the list.

Those three London terrorists don't belong to banned countries.

One from Pakistan and two from Morocco, countries not covered by his ban.

Well known US terrorists belonged to Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and Turkey.
To our f.cked-up so call "President" - While he barks "Ban from 6 "Muslim countries", real casualties are the 28 EU countries who are made to pay for terrorist attacks. His unrestrained language seem to incite more Islamists to do us more harm, then had he been a bit more diplomatic dude.

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Hombre wrote:
idesigner1 wrote:We all like to support Trump's travel ban for all Muslim countries, however he has only six countries on the list.

Those three London terrorists don't belong to banned countries.

One from Pakistan and two from Morocco, countries not covered by his ban.

Well known US terrorists belonged to Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and Turkey.
To our f.cked-up so call "President" - While he barks "Ban from 6 "Muslim countries", real casualties are the 28 EU countries who are made to pay for terrorist attacks. His unrestrained language seem to incite more Islamists to do us more harm, then had he been a bit more diplomatic dude.
So what? what doesn't upset a damn muslim? Serously, what kind of argument is tht hombre.

How is it Trump's fault that Britain has a muslim mayor who doesn't give a damn about the Kaffir? How is that his fault?

When we were fighting in Iraq, and winning, yes winning they weren't attacking in the US.
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President Obama glossed over terrorist attackss as workplace violence, as protests as all kinds of stuff and 4 of our people died more than that realy, but Obama new best..he appeased every muslim group possible and nothing happened. nothing...Europe is doomed.

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Obama went to ME bowed down, apologized, and doing so made happy clappy leftists more happy and came back as useless as he was. Trump went to middle east no apology but demanded action on terrorist fund raisers and came back with a result.

Trump cannot overturn the legacy of decades in 100 days, the key is to limit the immigration from countries were people are stuck with holy barbarian and refuse to change.
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Am I wrong or have things settled a bit in the US now, and not every sneeze or tweet by Trump causes protests and a crisis?

What has happened about his so-called "Muslim ban"?
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manfred wrote:Am I wrong or have things settled a bit in the US now, and not every sneeze or tweet by Trump causes protests and a crisis?

What has happened about his so-called "Muslim ban"?
Maybe his enemies have been too busy rooting for Corbyn?
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Never will the Jews or the Christians be satisfied with thee unless thou follow their form of religion.
Say: "The Guidance of Allah,-that is the (only) Guidance."
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I think being mayor of London & a secular Muslim could have its advantages for UK. One of Khan's biggest challenge should be, for him to shutter the myth of "Muhammad - the perfect man".

Obviously, he must be very careful how he does. I think, convene a series of "multi-faith public dialog between Jews, Christian Hindus & Muslims" would one effective tool.

Lets hear, how non-Muslim clerics cite many Islamic tenants derived from Jewish, Christian & Hindu practices. In other word, point out that many biblical stories mentioned in Quran in mere few verses or short Suras - same stories are described rather with details in books or chapters written hundreds or thousands of years earlier- in both Hebrew Bible & New Testament.

In other words - render Quran as mere poor copy from both HB & NT - without saying it outright.

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SAM wrote:ImageImage
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And here how Muslims thank them.
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But SAM, compare and contrast with this:
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Never will the Jews or the Christians be satisfied with thee unless thou follow their form of religion.
Say: "The Guidance of Allah,-that is the (only) Guidance."
(2:120)

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So you are saying Mohammed stole some of his prayer instructions from the Jews? More plagiarism?
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manfred wrote:So you are saying Mohammed stole some of his prayer instructions from the Jews? More plagiarism?
Isn't he supposed to have got them direct from Moses?
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Fernando wrote:
manfred wrote:So you are saying Mohammed stole some of his prayer instructions from the Jews? More plagiarism?
Isn't he supposed to have got them direct from Moses?
Considering Muhammad got his revelation from Moses through:
Ahron his brother, Jeremias, Jonah, Yehezkiel, Shishkabab (sorry manfred can't help it :roll: ) and finally the delightful Humus, demonstrate the credibility of Muhammad as a genuine
messenger - vs. a cleaver con man who's legacy has lasted to this day.

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