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Re: Now that Brexit Succeeded...

PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2019 9:11 pm
by Hombre
Takeiteasynow wrote:May's bargaining strategy is incomprehensible. Why doesn't she threaten Germany to change Southampton into a Chinese container hub? She will have a deal on her terms in 24 hours.
The problem is - once May does take this foolish step - not only she would mess around with of the most powerful countries in the world - also face the wrath of entire 29-State EU declaring economic jihad on UK.

Needless to say - it will also provide Wales & Scotland more incentive & impetus for them to wave goodby to "mother-ship" England - declare independence and join EU.

Re: Now that Brexit Succeeded...

PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2019 9:47 pm
by Takeiteasynow
There would be no wrath. China already bought a harbor in Greece, Piraeus in 2016, that has transformed it into one of the main Mediterranean hub ports and is growing very fast. Secondly, UK's neighbors would veto such an jihad as there are way too many economical ties between them and the lost island. And more incentives for Wales & Scotland to become independent? Nope, the economy is flourishing as never before. The EU is simply scared that UK's departure won't be the last.

Any way, I was just pointing out that May's strategy isn't working out.

Re: Now that Brexit Succeeded...

PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2019 11:29 pm
by Fernando
Takeiteasynow wrote:May's bargaining strategy is incomprehensible. Why doesn't she threaten Germany to change Southampton into a Chinese container hub? She will have a deal on her terms in 24 hours.
Because she is, was, and always will be a remainer. A puppet of Brussels. And, tragically, she's got her way. As Claire Fox said on Sky New's "Papers" tonight, Brexit as people voted for it is dead. I'm drinking the last of our French brandy as a bit of a wake for it. Tomorrow - whisky, gin, rum... but do any non EU countries produce brandy? Our late trade partners the Aussies, perhaps? Not sure it I could bear to drink anything from the Californian grape fields.

So tomorrow is a new era. All we can do now is vote, vote and vote again. As the remainers require, but not for them. First up, we're fortunate to have a UKIP candidate in the local elections and I shall vote for him, sight unseen. Then there are the EU elections, for which it is vital that Ukip and the Brexit Party at least do a deal but preferably merge. If deserters from May's and Corbyn's parties can merge, surely those two can. Sooner or later we'll get a UK general election, for which it is even more vital that all the pro-Brexit and anti-treachery parties sort themselves out and put forward a united front to save the nation from the Treacherous Parliament Syndrome - and, of course, the nightmare of Corybn - by dismissing this set of rogues lock, stock and barrel. Hmm, stocks...yes, quite appropriate. What did they do with barrels in those days, I wonder?

Re: Now that Brexit Succeeded...

PostPosted: Sat Apr 13, 2019 11:22 pm
by Hombre
Takeiteasynow wrote:There would be no wrath. China already bought a harbor in Greece, Piraeus in 2016, that has transformed it into one of the main Mediterranean hub ports and is growing very fast. Secondly, UK's neighbors would veto such an jihad as there are way too many economical ties between them and the lost island. And more incentives for Wales & Scotland to become independent? Nope, the economy is flourishing as never before. The EU is simply scared that UK's departure won't be the last.

Anyway, I was just pointing out that May's strategy isn't working out.
Frankly I am extremely surprised that Greece would sell a historic port to the Chinese. Maybe the greek contracted with China to manage the port - much like they do In Haifa Israel. After all, either Germany or France would easily write a check to Greece to the same.
Nonetheless thanks for the input

Re: Now that Brexit Succeeded...

PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2019 10:10 am
by Takeiteasynow
Frankly I am extremely surprised that Greece would sell a historic port to the Chinese. Maybe the greek contracted with China to manage the port - much like they do In Haifa Israel. After all, either Germany or France would easily write a check to Greece to the same.
Nonetheless thanks for the input


Of course turning Southampton into a Chinese port and container hub is a bad idea.

This Brexit process clarifies that the EU, a specific form of cooperation in Europe, is a failed process. It's commission goes way beyond its mandate as defined in the Lisbon treaty. It has transferred Europe in a transfer union with mass unemployment in southern member states. Skilled workers migrate north so real estate prices skyrocket. Its 0% lending rate policy decimates pensions and savings of citizens in northern member states. It talks about an European army whilst 80% of NATO's budget comes from overseas (US, Canada, Turkey) and depends on others to solve their foreign problems.

It's a failed project and is going to die sooner or later. Still you need collaboration on a European level – so skip the Lisbon treaty and renegotiate towards some kind of confederate structure where each member state participates as a sovereign country – as Europe has to compete with superpowers such as the US and China. Otherwise Europe might fall back to some kind of Victorian age.

Re: Now that Brexit Succeeded...

PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2019 10:30 am
by manfred
There are some things about the EU few people ever talk about.... Moldova, for example. The EU has removed visa obligations for Moldavian citizens... The result is a falling population, as well as an ageing one. There are not enough people to work anymore, and the problem is getting worse rapidly. The country is in a chronic economic crisis. It's major export, wine, very good wine actually, is subject to ridiculous duties in the EU and its biggest previous market, Russia, has imposed an embargo on all things from Moldova, because the government is critical of Putin. There are many empty houses, and in most communities you find mostly old people, either alone, or looking after their grandchildren, as the others work in the EU, mostly in France. As they are illegal workers, they get paid bad wages and typically work as cleaners or in constriction. Sexual abuse of Moldavian women in France is also not unheard of, as people with few rights are easily exploited.

Similar things are also found even within the EU.... Romania and Hungary specially.

The EU is bringing back the worst aspects of colonialism, and even slavery... using different words does little to change things. What is described as such a precious "freedom", the freedom of movement, brings misery and poverty to countless poor people.

Re: Now that Brexit Succeeded...

PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2019 10:38 am
by Takeiteasynow
What is described as such a precious "freedom", the freedom of movement, brings misery and poverty to countless poor people.


Preciously. And besides that, the price for freedom of movement is thought control, lack of democratic control and restriction of individual freedom.

Re: Now that Brexit Succeeded...

PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2019 11:51 am
by Fernando
Freedom of movement might have been tolerable when it was just the original Common Market Six. But not now - look how Merkel has single-handedly pulled a million migrants into the EU, with nothing to stop her. It's only a matter of time before they get German and hence EU citizeship and can move freely where they will. Probably with numerous relatives in on the deal.
If the Germans want all those migrants, that would have been their decision and their problem once upon a time, as with their failed Gastarbeiter system. But now all of Europe has to go along with Merkel.

Re: Now that Brexit Succeeded...

PostPosted: Fri May 24, 2019 11:59 am
by Takeiteasynow
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Re: Now that Brexit Succeeded...

PostPosted: Fri May 24, 2019 12:17 pm
by Fernando
Oh, yes - the chap who wants an amnesty for illegal immigrants.

Re: Now that Brexit Succeeded...

PostPosted: Fri May 24, 2019 4:36 pm
by manfred
Fernando wrote:Oh, yes - the chap who wants an amnesty for illegal immigrants.


I missed that.... I thought he said he wants to allow EU residents to stay after Brexit....

Re: Now that Brexit Succeeded...

PostPosted: Fri May 24, 2019 8:23 pm
by Ariel
Tearful Theresa May finally bowed to the inevitable and called time on her troubled premiership today after a massive Tory mutiny over her Brexit plans. Watched by husband Philip, the Prime Minister was overcome by emotion on the steps of Downing Street as she admitted her desperate struggle to get the UK out of the EU will end in failure. 'I've done my best,' she said. 'I have done everything I can to convince MPs to back that deal ... sadly I have not been able to do so. It is and will always remain a matter of deep regret to me that I have not been able to deliver Brexit.' Mrs May was almost unable to continue as she voiced her pride at having served the country. She declared she will resign as Conservative leader on June 7, triggering a contest that should be complete by the end of July. And there were more tears when she went back inside No10, as she paid tribute to her 'rock' husband during an address thanking her staff and advisers. Mrs May apparently welled up when she said of her time in office, 'it's been a journey'. The dramatic scenes came after Mrs May's last-ditch effort to get her EU deal through the Commons backfired spectacularly.

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Re: Now that Brexit Succeeded...

PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2019 11:32 am
by Fernando
manfred wrote:
Fernando wrote:Oh, yes - the chap who wants an amnesty for illegal immigrants.


I missed that.... I thought he said he wants to allow EU residents to stay after Brexit....
Definitely illegals, from wherever. It was back in 2008 when he was London Mayor,
Boris Johnson calls for illegal immigrant amnesty in London
London mayor to launch review into feasibility of granting amnesty to estimated 400,000 people living illegally in capital
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2008/nov/21/boris-immigration
although he's repeated it since, before the referendum.
EU referendum: Boris Johnson favours amnesty for illegal immigrants – video
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/video/2016/jun/19/eu-referendum-boris-johnson-favours-amnesty-for-illegal-immigrants-video

Re: Now that Brexit Succeeded...

PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2019 11:49 am
by Fernando
On a more topical Brexit note, exit polls. We in the UK have been told extensively that no exit polls could be published before all EU elections were closed on Sunday. Not only did that mean there would be little point in making UK exit polls, but there were serious articles about the possible effect on the reporting of events in our own Parliament, should they be related to the EU elections - like admitting that the rise of The Brexit Party had finally caused May to resign.
Then suddenly yesterday Hey! Presto! we were told who had won the elections in Holland, and today Ireland followed suit with published exit polls.
Goose? Gander? Gold-plating again?
European elections vote LIVE: Juncker’s EU party faces LOSING power as rivals surge
The Green Party is set to claim victory in Dublin according to the latest exit poll by Irish broadcaster RTE.

The Party’s former junior minister Ciaran Cuffe is forecast to win 23 percent of the vote.

The poll also indicates that a candidate from Ireland's largest party, Fine Gael's Sean Kelly, could be re-elected, with the survey of voters in the South constituency putting him on 16 percent.

Fine Gael's Mairead McGuinness looks likely to top the poll in the Midlands/North West constituency.

The polling firm RedC spoke to 3,230 voters in stations across Ireland.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1131931/european-elections-2019-results-vote-live-UK-latest-update-polls-brexit-party-EU

Re: Now that Brexit Succeeded...

PostPosted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 11:34 am
by Takeiteasynow
New Brexit deal agreed, says Boris Johnson

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A Brexit deal has been agreed between UK and EU negotiating teams before a meeting of European leaders in Brussels.

Prime Minister Boris Johnson tweeted: "We've got a great new deal that takes back control."

The two sides have been working on the legal text of a deal, but it will still need the approval of both the UK and European parliaments.

The DUP has cast doubt on its success, saying they still cannot support it.

The Northern Irish party earlier released a statement saying they could not back proposals "as things stand", and - after the PM's announcement - said their statement "still stands".

Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn said the deal sounded "even worse" than what was negotiated by the PM's predecessor, Theresa May, and "should be rejected" by MPs.

But European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker said it was a "fair and balanced agreement".

In a letter recommending the deal to European Council President Donald Tusk, he wrote: "It is high time to complete the withdrawal process and move on, as swiftly as possible, to the negotiation on the European Union's future partnership with the United Kingdom."

Both he and Mr Johnson have urged their respective parliaments to back the deal.

The EU's chief negotiator Michel Barnier told a press conference in Brussels: "We have arrived at an agreement with the British government on an ordered withdrawal of the United Kingdom and the European Union and also on the framework for our future relationship.

He added that the text should provide "the legal certainty in every area where Brexit, like any separation, creates uncertainty and in particular, and first and foremost, for citizens".

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-50079385

Re: Now that Brexit Succeeded...

PostPosted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 11:50 am
by Ariel
Good :clap: Next step...Nexit.

Re: Now that Brexit Succeeded...

PostPosted: Fri Oct 18, 2019 12:49 am
by Hombre
It's hilarious. Like a cat chasing its tail round-n-round. Just few moths ago Teresa May(day) also declared "Yallaliloo :lotpot: we have a deal with Eu" just to end up parliament show her the door. Boris the Johnson may face the same obstacle in the Parliament which already told the Blondie - nu! nu! nu!

The biggest obstacle (the way I understand) is Ireland-N. Irelan. Both wish not be separated by any form of border.

With Scotland threatening Independence from Mama-Lizebath, and N.I. wanting to stay in EU - they could very well try to follow suit. What's left to UK England & Welsh?

I really don't see any desirable outcome - short of a new referendum to decide either way. Since 2016 when Brexit was voted, lots of new information and scenario have been introduced, and a whole new approach need to be taken.

Re: Now that Brexit Succeeded...

PostPosted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 2:19 pm
by Fernando
Hombre wrote: Since 2016 when Brexit was voted, lots of new information and scenario have been introduced, and a whole new approach need to be taken.
We do indeed have a lot more information: we now know what a lot of lying anti-democratic toads inhabit our Parliament and what a crafty set of unyielding empire builders inhabit the Eurocracy.

Re: Now that Brexit Succeeded...

PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 12:48 am
by Ariel
Brexit in januari 2020

The Conservatives are set to win an overall majority of 86 in the general election, according to an exit poll for the BBC, ITV and Sky News.

The survey taken at UK polling stations suggests the Tories will get 368 MPs - 50 more than at the 2017 election - when all the results have been counted.

Labour would get 191, the Lib Dems 13, the Brexit Party none and the SNP 55.

The Green Party will still have one MP and Plaid Cymru will lose one seat for a total of three, the survey suggests.

Counting is under way in the UK's 650 constituencies, with a few early results due before midnight, and the rest to come in the early hours, although the final total will not be known until Friday lunchtime.

Re: Now that Brexit Succeeded...

PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 1:02 am
by Ariel
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