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Re: Elections America.

Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2016 10:40 am
by Fernando
Hombre wrote:The fact is, Trump is the one whom during the 80's, chose to buy steel & Aluminum for his Hotels from China, which contributed to decimation of US steel industries - causing job loses to same blue workers who he has been whining "Chinese are taking our jobs".
Of course, if he'd not taken advantage of the the US government failure to protect the steel industry with duties, he'd have made even bigger losses and then been required to pay even less tax. Then he'd have been in really hot water with the Clintons.

Re: Elections America.

Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2016 10:50 am
by Fernando
Hombre wrote:
Fernando wrote:In other words, working with Soros and his globalists, and helping people meet the challenge by migrating from the third world into the USA (while there's still a difference). Which, of course, has the entirely unintended consequence of globalising American jobs at the same time.
US accepted only 10,000 Syrian refugees, after they underwent a 2 year process of vetting. In a nation of 321M, it is not even a drop in the ocean.
And how many illegal immigrants from and via Mexico? And how many do Obama and Clinton want to offer an amnesty to?
As for the Syrians, the NYT has this to say (via Google)
31 Aug 2016 - U.S. Reaches Goal of Admitting 10,000. Syrian Refugees. Here's Where They Went. The United States admitted its 10,000th Syrian refugee this week in a resettlement program announced by President Obama last fall, according to The White House.
That doesn't sound like a two-year vetting process. Oh, and how come there are hardly any Christian Syrians among them? Surely they are the ones most at risk - from the Islamists as well as the civil war. Have they been vetted out?

Re: Elections America.

Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2016 10:42 pm
by sum
This is worth a read - from JihadWatch -

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/11/robe ... or-funders" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

sum

Re: Elections America.

Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2016 12:15 am
by Fernando
Clinton's just been shown campaigning on Sky News, and there was a clear shot of her with fixed mad eyes and shaking head. Not a lot, but it was there.

Re: Elections America.

Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2016 5:34 pm
by Fernando
Startling claims of startling discoveries among the new Clinton=Abedin emails. I won't go into details because I've no idea how true the story is, but a NYPD officer claims the discoveries are enough to see people locked up.
However, something that I can well believe: these people have been so sloppy because they were clueless about the computers they used. The claim is that Abedin couldn't get her official secure machine to print things out for her, so she forwarded emails to a less secure system - e.g. Yahoo!! - that she could manage to print from. Clinton was, it says, similarly afflicted.
The url gives the claims away, so I've put it behind a spoiler in case people would rather not know. (I wouldn't recommend viewing it at work in the USA).
Spoiler! :

Re: Elections America.

Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2016 6:55 pm
by Hombre
Fernando wrote:And how many illegal immigrants from and via Mexico? And how many do Obama and Clinton want to offer an amnesty to?
The are following their predecessor Reagan who did just that back in 1986 - 3.5M of them.

My good man, entire industries in US have come to depend on these workers labor. Agricultural, lodging, meat, paltry & landscaping just to name a few. W/o them you and I would be paying twice for everything we buy. These people play vital role in US economy.
Besides. Who is heading these corporations which hire these workers - Republicans, including Trump himself. How may illegals work in his hotels with less then minimum wage.?
That doesn't sound like a two-year vetting process. Oh, and how come there are hardly any Christian Syrians among them? Surely they are the ones most at risk - from the Islamists as well as the civil war. Have they been vetted out?
Watch this clip from CBS's 60 minutes. They answer your question from firsthand sources.
http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/finding-r ... rosenberg/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Re: Elections America.

Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2016 7:58 pm
by Fernando
Hombre wrote:
Fernando wrote:And how many illegal immigrants from and via Mexico? And how many do Obama and Clinton want to offer an amnesty to?
The are following their predecessor Reagan who did just that back in 1986 - 3.5M of them.
Tu quo que
My good man, entire industries in US have come to depend on these workers labor. Agricultural, lodging, meat, paltry & landscaping just to name a few. W/o them you and I would be paying twice for everything we buy. These people play vital role in US economy.
Besides. Who is heading these corporations which hire these workers - Republicans, including Trump himself. How may illegals work in his hotels with less then minimum wage.?
So how many ordinary Americans pay for landscaping, or visit Trump's hotels? How many Left-liberals are quietly benefitting from these illegals and their low pay? How many US politicians are even capable of running a country of >300,000,000 people without sneakily padding out an ill-prepared and ill-equipped workforce with illegals? Even fewer than could organise a booze-up in a brewery?
Well, about the same proportion as you might manage to find in the UK or the EU, I suppose.

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Re: Elections America.

Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2016 9:52 pm
by Hombre
Fernando wrote: So how many ordinary Americans pay for landscaping, or visit Trump's hotels? How many Left-liberals are quietly benefitting from these illegals and their low pay? How many US politicians are even capable of running a country of >300,000,000 people without sneakily padding out an ill-prepared and ill-equipped workforce with illegals? Even fewer than could organise a booze-up in a brewery?
Well, about the same proportion as you might manage to find in the UK or the EU, I suppose.
Look at this. even the UK's own arch-conservative (and highly respected) publications - The Economist, has published their editorial for Hillary.

The presidential election
America’s best hope
Why we would cast our hypothetical vote for Hillary Clinton


http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/2 ... -best-hope" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Re: Elections America.

Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2016 11:30 pm
by Fernando
Hombre wrote:Look at this. even the UK's own arch-conservative (and highly respected) publications - The Economist, has published their editorial for Hillary.
It would be a wonder if that Remain-urging journal didn't support that sidekick of Obama, the man who threatened that the UK remain, or suffer. Birds of a feather.

Re: Elections America.

Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2016 12:13 am
by Hombre
Fernando wrote:
Hombre wrote:Look at this. even the UK's own arch-conservative (and highly respected) publications - The Economist, has published their editorial for Hillary.
It would be a wonder if that Remain-urging journal didn't support that sidekick of Obama, the man who threatened that the UK remain, or suffer. Birds of a feather.
love you brother :roll:
Sad reality is, there are too many powerful forces lined up against Trump. Beside blue color workers, he has (as far as I know) no other worthy groups who support him. Even level headed GOP leaders don't support him.

My favorite GOP candidate, had voted for John McCain as write-in candidate. Trump has the emotional intelligence of a 12 year old child. I can appreciate your conservative underpinning. But for the good of me, why would any level headed & educated person even think picking Trump as their leader?

Re: Elections America.

Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2016 9:39 am
by sum
I my opinion, the single most important issue in the world is the unopposed advance, influence and democratic proliferation of Islam. Once Islam attains numerical superiority it is irreversible. It can never be reversed and the original culture and belief system installed once again.

The muslims are focussed, cohesive and resolute in their aim to create Islamic rule and install Sharia.

As the election stands it is clear that Clinton has no intention of putting the break on the Islamic advance in the USA or the muslim immigration. She is almost certainly in the pocket of the Saudis and other Islamic states. She has received many millions of dollars from these Islamic states and as there is no such thing as a free lunch it makes one wonder what the Islamic states are getting in return. Clinton has Huma Abedin as her close personal aid. She comes from a Muslim Brotherhood and Sisterhood family and was brought up in her formative years in Saudi Arabia. She worked for the MSA for two years. Is she a muslim? Has she ever been vetted - this is doubtful? Why on earth is Clinton having her a close personal aid with access to confidential material when she is so intimately linked to Islam and the Saudis?

Donald Trump would appear to be concerned about Islamic terrorism and has made proposals to put a temporary ban on muslim immigration until he finds out hat is going on.

This alone should make Trump the one to elect.

sum

Re: Elections America.

Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2016 10:50 am
by Fernando
Hombre wrote:Trump has the emotional intelligence of a 12 year old child. I can appreciate your conservative underpinning. But for the good of me, why would any level headed & educated person even think picking Trump as their leader?
sum has kindly answered for me. Thankfully I cannot vote for either Trump or Clinton: if I could I'd be gnashing my teeth at the debased condition of American politics. But as sum says, countering the march of Islam trumps just about everything else. Well, the marches of Islam, Soros and the Insane Left.

Re: Elections America.

Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2016 11:45 am
by pr126
If Hillary wins, America will become like western Europe much sooner.

Islam pays well. Politicians sell your country, cash in while you can.

Re: Elections America.

Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2016 1:03 am
by Hombre
sum wrote:I my opinion, the single most important issue in the world is the unopposed advance, influence and democratic proliferation of Islam. Once Islam attains numerical superiority it is irreversible. It can never be reversed and the original culture and belief system installed once again.

The muslims are focussed, cohesive and resolute in their aim to create Islamic rule and install Sharia.

As the election stands it is clear that Clinton has no intention of putting the break on the Islamic advance in the USA or the muslim immigration. She is almost certainly in the pocket of the Saudis and other Islamic states. She has received many millions of dollars from these Islamic states and as there is no such thing as a free lunch it makes one wonder what the Islamic states are getting in return. Clinton has Huma Abedin as her close personal aid. She comes from a Muslim Brotherhood and Sisterhood family and was brought up in her formative years in Saudi Arabia. She worked for the MSA for two years. Is she a muslim? Has she ever been vetted - this is doubtful? Why on earth is Clinton having her a close personal aid with access to confidential material when she is so intimately linked to Islam and the Saudis?

Donald Trump would appear to be concerned about Islamic terrorism and has made proposals to put a temporary ban on muslim immigration until he finds out hat is going on.

This alone should make Trump the one to elect.

sum
I agree with your first paragraph - Once they garner enough constituencies, Muslims will use our democracy to destroy our democracy.

The rest....................Not correct. All money deposited in Clinton foundation - none owned by them, nor goes to their pocket. They use it to fund projects to improve the lives of millions of people in Africa. I invite you to go to the foundation's website and see for yourself, every penny - including their tax return, salaries, are all fully reported.

No doubt, Clintons do have their fault. However, the way their political opponents have been treating them, is far more dishonest and savage then normal political discourse.

If you care to examine Bush familiy's connection to Saudi family through Carlyle Group, the benefit goes directly to their pockets.

Re: Elections America.

Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2016 10:05 am
by sum
Hello Hombre

We will have to wait until the FBI finishes its investigations into Hillary Clinton`s alleged misdemeanours. There are already claims that the Clinton election programme has received donations from Islamic countries.

If you agree that once Islam gains demographic superiority then it will be irreversible, the end of the USA as a secular country and become an Islamic state then why are you supporting Hillary Clinton who is going to bring even more muslim "refugees" into the USA? It is worse than introducing ebola into the country. At least some of the people will survive ebola but the whole nation will be under the control of Islam in perpetuity and not a single non-muslim will be able to do anything about it. It would be the death of the USA.

Could it be that Clinton is giving, in return for monies from Islamic states, a massive increase in the number of muslims being allowed into the USA? She is knowingly and willingly going out of her way to destabilise the USA. Does she no consideration even for her own family`s future?

I can only conclude that she is solely concerned about power and money to the exclusion of everything else.

sum

Re: Elections America.

Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2016 10:38 am
by Fernando
sum wrote:I can only conclude that she is solely concerned about power and money to the exclusion of everything else.
You've missed a possibility: maybe she's not being paid so that she will favour Islam, but being rewarded because she's favoured Islam from her own volition. Obama seems to have been doing that, although I've never seen any suggestion that he's been given any reward. (Well, maybe that comes later, in the afterlife, for a man.)

Re: Elections America.

Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2016 11:37 am
by pr126
Well, Obama as a man, and despite favoured Islam, did not get much respect internationally, so Hillary, as a woman will get even less.

The USA has already lost its role as a superpower, thanks to Obama, with Hillary it will even less.

Nevermind, let China or Russia or even Islam be the key player.
Good night America.

But fear not. See how corrupt and rotten the system is. And it is getting worse.

Trump will not be allowed to win

Re: Elections America.

Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2016 12:29 pm
by sum
Obama and Clinton certainly are favouring Islam through the immigration of muslims. Why? It is of interest to note that 99.9% of immigrants are muslims and only about 0.1% Christians. How do they explain this disparity?

They both know that Islam is totally incompatible with all other ideologies and that all muslims must fight until all religion is for Allah. Why on earth are they both inviting into the USA people who hold hatred and enmity towards the USA and its people? Are Obama and Clinton insane or just treasonous? There has to be a reason and in time it must be made clear.

As a community, muslims are virtually immune to considering apostasy as they are well and truly programmed to think only on Islamic lines. Their minds have had the Golden Rule removed and now are mostly devoid of empathy. This is why they can commit atrocities an such a massive scale - not just localised but worldwide. There might be a few that now "see the light" about Islam being a false religion and the brainchild of a seriously disturbed man but there is nothing that they can do about it within their own community because they would expose their apostasy and endanger their own lives and those of their family.

Political Correctness is preventing criticism of anything Islamic and only Trump among all non-muslim leaders in non-muslim countries appears to want to "see what it is all about". This is enough reason to support Trump.

sum

Re: Elections America.

Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2016 3:18 pm
by Centaur
since leftists took over academia and brainwashed younger generation on their own history, I doubt there is much hope left for the survival of the modern ciivialization. there is a saying those who do not learn from history risk repeating it. The whole history of western civilization or a good part of it was about , fighting to survive isalm, but that is not taught as part of any edn, formal or informal , even worse the exact opposite is taught that Islam is peace and actually violates were those who defending or crusades.If any thought process manage to outshine that, the left wing mass media will hunt it down and finish it off.Leftist like islamist claim they know the best, but in fact they do not know elbow from arse. Its unlikely Trump will win, but if he wins expect race riots instigated by progressive lib.

If Hillary wins soon
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... dents.html

oh yes funded by cinton foundation donors saudi Arabia

Re: Elections America.

Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2016 4:00 pm
by Centaur
This is the dilemma of this gentleman as well everyone runs away