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Re: Islam in America

PostPosted: Sat Jan 09, 2016 2:17 pm
by SAM


Dr. Carson’s claim that in Islam women are subservient, Islam gave women equal rights in 610 that our own United States haven’t given even in 2015. To this day America has not passed the Equal Rights Amendment.

Re: Islam in America

PostPosted: Sat Jan 09, 2016 2:26 pm
by manfred
SAM wrote:
Dr. Carson’s claim that in Islam women are subservient, Islam gave women equal rights in 610 that our own United States haven’t given even in 2015. To this day America has not passed the Equal Rights Amendment.



Islam gave women equal rights? really?

"Allah's Apostle once said to a group of women : 'I have not seen any one more deficient in intelligence and religion than you. A cautious, sensible man could be led astray by some of you.' The women asked: 'O Allah's Apostle, what is deficient in our intelligence and religion?' He said: 'Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?' They replied in the affirmative. He said: 'This is the deficiency of your intelligence' ... 'Isn't it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?' The women replied in the affirmative. He said: 'This is the deficiency in your religion.'"


Sahih Bukhari 1 Hadith No. 301. See also vol. 3, Hadith No. 826.

And did you see this one?:

viewtopic.php?f=69&t=16706

Here is a bit of it...

Gender equality against Islam, says Kerala Sunni leader

Prominent Sunni Muslim leader Kanthapuram Aboobacker Musliyar Saturday said gender equality was “against Islam”.

Addressing a Sunni students’ camp in Kozhikode, the orthodox Sunni leader said, “Where has man-woman equality taken place? It is not going to happen. Gender equality is against Islam, society and human kindness.”

“The world is controlled by men. Women have strength in other areas… They can deliver babies. Only women can nurture babies. Her duty is to rear children and feed the husband,’’ Musliyar said.


http://indianexpress.com/article/india/ ... im-leader/

Re: Islam in America

PostPosted: Sat Jan 09, 2016 10:58 pm
by Fernando
So what are we to dedcuce, SAM, from the testimony of an ill-educated young woman who had a disturbed childhood? Who is so stupid she ordered a turkey without understanding that it was much more than she could cope with? (Be it a bird or a religion.)

Re: Islam in America

PostPosted: Sun Jan 10, 2016 12:18 am
by Hombre
One of the biggest mistakes we the non-Muslims commit, is our utter ignorance and failure to fully understand Muslims standard of accepted value system. We tend to impose our own western values on these poor souls.

We need to realize that, Muslims concept of "equal Right" (in this case for women), completely differ from what we perceive. For us, that means, whatever you are allowed, others in same community are also allowed - regardless of race, religion or gender.

In Islam, that's true to some degree. Women enjoy equal right only among other women - not men. She has "equal right" to share her bed with 3 other women. The right to please her horny husband whenever he wants it - not when she wants. The "right" to obey her barbaric & illiterate husband. The "right" to dress from head to toe in heat of 48c (110F), because men around her can't control themselves, as wild animal do. etc.

Re: Islam in America

PostPosted: Sun Jan 10, 2016 6:58 am
by iffo
SAM wrote:


Dr. Carson’s claim that in Islam women are subservient, Islam gave women equal rights in 610 that our own United States haven’t given even in 2015. To this day America has not passed the Equal Rights Amendment.

Seems like a very nice innocent, cute person. Obviously not very intelligent and did not do her research before becoming muslim. Not sure if she read quran or not. Or knows Muhammad was a child molester and rapped Safiya. Anyone who reads quran and still can not see that this is not god talking has brain of a donkey.

Re: Islam in America

PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2016 8:46 pm
by manfred
Lawsuit: Local schools fail to teach evolution, distort Sept. 11

A Boca Raton attorney claims in a lawsuit that Palm Beach County’s public schools are denying elementary students a full explanation of the theory of evolution and distorting the motives for the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.

Suing on behalf of his 10-year-old son, attorney Barry Silver says the school system is violating students’ constitutional rights by disseminating “false, misleading, and dangerous information” regarding both Islam and evolution.
+Lawsuit: Local schools fail to teach evolution, distort Sept. 11 photo
Taylor Jones
Barry Silver speaking about the need for interfaith communication in 2010. (Palm Beach Post file photo)

In the lawsuit, filed last month, Silver concedes that his son’s fifth-grade science textbook at Waters Edge Elementary west of Boca Raton does explain how environmental changes prompt organisms to adapt, a key tenet of evolution.

But he says the textbook never mentions the terms “evolution,” “natural selection” or the theory’s chief author, Charles Darwin.

In his lawsuit, Silver says that Florida’s educational standards “require the teaching of evolution in the elementary school years.”

But a state Department of Education spokeswoman said Silver was wrong, and that the state’s standards do not call for teaching evolution until after elementary school.

In a statement, the county school district said that its curriculum “adheres to Florida Standards approved by the Florida Department of Education.”

Silver said his son’s school also propagates misleading information about the role of the Islamic faith in the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.

At Waters Edge, Silver said his son watched an education online video about the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks that said the attacks were a violation of Islamic teachings.

“The Koran, the holy book of Islam, calls for Muslims to be peaceful, not to kill,” the instructional video, created by the educational website BrainPOP, says at one point.

In his lawsuit, Silver, a rabbi at L’Dor Va-Dor in Boynton Beach, called the video a “failure to tell the truth about the Koran and Islam,” and he cites 17 passages from the Koran as examples.

“This false statement obscures the motives and causes of the attack of September 11,” the lawsuit states.

“While there are many peaceful and pleasant Muslims, and there are many peaceful and pleasant parts of the Koran, there are plenty of other passages in the Koran which are not peaceful and which encourage Muslims to kill and instruct them not to be peaceful towards non-believers,” it states.

Silver, a longtime activist attorney, argued that obscuring the Koran’s teachings was an act of “political correctness” and tantamount to unconstitutional religious advocacy.

Silver and his two sons presented the lawsuit to the Palm Beach County School Board at last week’s meeting.

School district officials pointed out that Silver has filed similar legal challenges in the past and failed in court.

“Mr. Silver has previously taken legal action against the district on his sons’ behalf on other classroom lessons, and those cases have been dismissed,” the school district said in a statement.

Silver responded that he had simply left unfinished his earlier efforts to deal with the issue in the courts.

The case was dismissed without prejudice, which happens all the time,” he said. “But we had the right to refile.


http://www.mypalmbeachpost.com/news/new ... ist/nppdG/


So it is acceptable to keep kid half/poorly informed about things the governments finds inconvenient or politically incorrect... You cannot expect even a US court to acknowledge that Islam is not "the religion of peace"... so much for the independence of the judiciary and, indeed, for the whole notion that the education is not political indoctrination.

Re: Islam in America

PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2016 10:14 pm
by Fernando
sounds like a particularly un-holy three-way alliance at work. Fundamentalist Islamists, Fundamentalist right-wing Christian creationists and Cultural Marxists. Whatever next?

Re: Islam in America

PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2016 6:41 am
by SAM


Many Americans who have mental retardation to spread Christianity by dragging the cross .. :lol:

Re: Islam in America

PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2016 7:40 am
by manfred
I suppose dragging a cross to spread a religion is a lot better than chopping off people's heads to spread a religion.

Re: Islam in America

PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2016 9:52 pm
by SAM


Director and Oscar-winning Francis Ford Coppola speaking in defense of Islam and Muslims.
:*)

Re: Islam in America

PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2016 10:35 pm
by manfred
Is Islam that fragile it needs defence like that?

Re: Islam in America

PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2016 7:57 am
by SAM
http://www.memritv.org/player/largePlay ... clipid=991


:horseride: "Death to America, the Great Satan" :dev: and "Death to Israel" :lol:

Crowd: Israel is the enemy of Allah.
Man: May the hands of the infidels be chopped off.
Crowd: May the hands of the infidels be chopped off.
Man: May the hands of the infidels be chopped off.
Crowd: May the hands of the infidels be chopped off.
Man: (Chopped off) from the land of the believers.
Crowd: From the land of the believers.
Man: The Audience will now split into two groups: One group will settle the score with America, and the other will settle the score with Israel. This group now: Death to America!
Crowd: Death to America!
Man: Death to Israel!
Crowd: Death to Israel! Death to America!
Man: Death to America!
Crowd: Death to America!
Man: Death to America!
Crowd: Death to Israel! Death to America! Death to Israel!
Man: All together now: Death to America! Death to Israel!
Crowd: Death to America! Death to Israel! Death to America! Death to Israel! Death to America! Death to Israel! Death to America! Death to Israel!
[...]
Speaker: Today, the impure world Zionism, in the modern Age of ignorance, has emerged with the same (polytheistic) ideology, but with new methods. It wants to take over the fields of economy, of culture, and politics, as well as the military, throughout the world.
[...]
We, the pilgrims who have come to the house of God, condemn the plots and the measures taken by the international Zionism – the deceitful Satan who spreads heresy, polytheism, and idolatry, enslaving human beings with a new method. It abuses the divine religion of Moses. It takes Satanic measures, and arouses the world's hatred towards this divine religion, and its true followers. We denounce these criminal acts. We call upon the world of Islam and the free peoples to take significant measures to thwart the Satanic policy of this camp.

Crowd: Allah Akbar. Allah Akbar. Allah Akbar.

Speaker: We, the pilgrims who have come to the house of God, strongly condemn the aggressive measures of "the global arrogance," led by the idol and center of evil, the criminal America. We condemn it for its aggression, war-mongering, its murder, plundering, torture, espionage, its abductions and its secret jails. We strongly condemn it.
We emphasize that the occupation forces must leave the lands of Islam. We express our hatred and our disgust at the mother of all corruption of this century, the Great Satan, and at its illegitimate offspring, the plundering Israel.

Crowd: Allah Akbar. Allah Akbar. Allah Akbar.
[...]
Speaker: My believing brothers, I will now read to you the text of the call of the leader of the Islamic revolution, Imam Khamenei, to the pilgrims who have come to the house of God:
[...]
...Today, the fleets of arrogance are, once again, using new methods of deceit, in order to perpetuate and strengthen their control over the Islamic world. Their slogans of spreading democracy and human rights is one of these methods of deceit. The Great Satan, who embodies evil and violence against humanity, raises the banner of defending of human rights, and summons the peoples of the Middle East to democracy.

The democracy that America wants to implement in these countries, however, means that general elections – which pretend to be popular, but are in fact American elections – will give rise, by means of conspiracies, bribery, and deceptive propaganda, to obedient American collaborators.
These collaborators will accomplish America's goals of arrogance, and first and foremost stopping the spread of Islam, and removing the Islamic values from the scene.
[...]
The fact that the slogan of democracy is being raised by the greedy people who for many years have supported the dictatorial regimes in Asia, Africa, and the American continent is completely unacceptable. Likewise, when the call to fight violence and terrorism by those who support Zionist terrorism, and who carry out the bloodiest kind of violent acts in Iraq and Afghanistan this is a mockery.
[...]
The American and British governments, which permit the torture of suspects, and the spilling of their blood in the streets, and the tapping of citizens' phone calls without a court order, do not have the right to claim they are defending civil rights.
The governments that have blackened the face of modern history with their production and use of nuclear and chemical weapons to not have the right to impose their patronage on the issue of preventing the spread of weapons of mass... on the issue of preventing the spread of nuclear technology.

Re: Islam in America

PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2016 8:04 am
by manfred
Oh, that must be the peaceful, "moderate" Muslims....

nice one Sam, but this clip is some 10 years old and from Iran, not the US.

Re: Islam in America

PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2016 8:26 am
by SAM
Yup..but speech that still resonates and reverberates in the ears of the people of Iran are not lost.

Re: Islam in America

PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2016 4:47 pm
by simple1
SAM wrote:http://www.memritv.org/player/largePlayer.php?&width=571&height=463&skin=memri_red&autoplay=1&clip_image=http://www.memritv.org/pic_clip/clip_intro_571_432.jpg&clipid=991


:horseride: "Death to America, the Great Satan" :dev: and "Death to Israel" :lol:

Crowd: Israel is the enemy of Allah.
Man: May the hands of the infidels be chopped off.
Crowd: May the hands of the infidels be chopped off.
Man: May the hands of the infidels be chopped off.
Crowd: May the hands of the infidels be chopped off.
Man: (Chopped off) from the land of the believers.
Crowd: From the land of the believers.
Man: The Audience will now split into two groups: One group will settle the score with America, and the other will settle the score with Israel. This group now: Death to America!
Crowd: Death to America!
Man: Death to Israel!
Crowd: Death to Israel! Death to America!
Man: Death to America!
Crowd: Death to America!
Man: Death to America!
Crowd: Death to Israel! Death to America! Death to Israel!
Man: All together now: Death to America! Death to Israel!
Crowd: Death to America! Death to Israel! Death to America! Death to Israel! Death to America! Death to Israel! Death to America! Death to Israel!
[...]
Speaker: Today, the impure world Zionism, in the modern Age of ignorance, has emerged with the same (polytheistic) ideology, but with new methods. It wants to take over the fields of economy, of culture, and politics, as well as the military, throughout the world.
[...]
We, the pilgrims who have come to the house of God, condemn the plots and the measures taken by the international Zionism – the deceitful Satan who spreads heresy, polytheism, and idolatry, enslaving human beings with a new method. It abuses the divine religion of Moses. It takes Satanic measures, and arouses the world's hatred towards this divine religion, and its true followers. We denounce these criminal acts. We call upon the world of Islam and the free peoples to take significant measures to thwart the Satanic policy of this camp.

Crowd: Allah Akbar. Allah Akbar. Allah Akbar.

Speaker: We, the pilgrims who have come to the house of God, strongly condemn the aggressive measures of "the global arrogance," led by the idol and center of evil, the criminal America. We condemn it for its aggression, war-mongering, its murder, plundering, torture, espionage, its abductions and its secret jails. We strongly condemn it.
We emphasize that the occupation forces must leave the lands of Islam. We express our hatred and our disgust at the mother of all corruption of this century, the Great Satan, and at its illegitimate offspring, the plundering Israel.

Crowd: Allah Akbar. Allah Akbar. Allah Akbar.
[...]
Speaker: My believing brothers, I will now read to you the text of the call of the leader of the Islamic revolution, Imam Khamenei, to the pilgrims who have come to the house of God:
[...]
...Today, the fleets of arrogance are, once again, using new methods of deceit, in order to perpetuate and strengthen their control over the Islamic world. Their slogans of spreading democracy and human rights is one of these methods of deceit. The Great Satan, who embodies evil and violence against humanity, raises the banner of defending of human rights, and summons the peoples of the Middle East to democracy.

The democracy that America wants to implement in these countries, however, means that general elections – which pretend to be popular, but are in fact American elections – will give rise, by means of conspiracies, bribery, and deceptive propaganda, to obedient American collaborators.
These collaborators will accomplish America's goals of arrogance, and first and foremost stopping the spread of Islam, and removing the Islamic values from the scene.
[...]
The fact that the slogan of democracy is being raised by the greedy people who for many years have supported the dictatorial regimes in Asia, Africa, and the American continent is completely unacceptable. Likewise, when the call to fight violence and terrorism by those who support Zionist terrorism, and who carry out the bloodiest kind of violent acts in Iraq and Afghanistan this is a mockery.
[...]
The American and British governments, which permit the torture of suspects, and the spilling of their blood in the streets, and the tapping of citizens' phone calls without a court order, do not have the right to claim they are defending civil rights.
The governments that have blackened the face of modern history with their production and use of nuclear and chemical weapons to not have the right to impose their patronage on the issue of preventing the spread of weapons of mass... on the issue of preventing the spread of nuclear technology.


So these are moderate Muslims, chop this and chop that. Kill this and kill that. Dead to this and dead to that. O, you are so peaceful, and your Allah allow you and encourage you to do these chopping, killing, dead to other human. O, your religion is so peace.

How can anyone coexist with Muslim when these kind of messages is feed into Muslim everyday?

Re: Islam in America

PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2016 8:35 pm
by SAM
simple1 wrote:
So these are moderate Muslims, chop this and chop that. Kill this and kill that. Dead to this and dead to that. O, you are so peaceful, and your Allah allow you and encourage you to do these chopping, killing, dead to other human. O, your religion is so peace.

How can anyone coexist with Muslim when these kind of messages is feed into Muslim everyday?
I think the majority of white people must be extinct in the first place? They are the ones who create upheaval and unrest in the earth of God. :yuk:

Re: Islam in America

PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2016 9:26 pm
by manfred
I think the majority of white people must be extinct in the first place? They are the ones who create upheaval and unrest in the earth of God. :yuk:


so once you have killed off all the white folk on earth, Sam, who would be next? Anyone else you want to see dead?

The hilarious part is you have no problems at all saying things like that and accuse OTHERS or racism...My turn for a :yuk:

Re: Islam in America

PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2016 9:46 pm
by M85
manfred wrote:
I think the majority of white people must be extinct in the first place? They are the ones who create upheaval and unrest in the earth of God. :yuk:


so once you have killed off all the white folk on earth, Sam, who would be next? Anyone else you want to see dead?

The hilarious part is you have no problems at all saying things like that and accuse OTHERS or racism...My turn for a :yuk:

I'm certain SAM can come up with quite a list, but no doubt there is one particular group (religious and cultural) that would be at the top of SAM's wish list (hint, that three letter word).

Re: Islam in America

PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2016 9:52 pm
by SAM
manfred wrote:
I think the majority of white people must be extinct in the first place? They are the ones who create upheaval and unrest in the earth of God. :yuk:


so once you have killed off all the white folk on earth, Sam, who would be next? Anyone else you want to see dead?

The hilarious part is you have no problems at all saying things like that and accuse OTHERS or racism...My turn for a :yuk:
Ashkenazi Jews belong to white peoples, they are not a real Israelite.

"Kill the unbelievers (White Race and Ashkenazi Jews) wherever you find them." :lotpot:

Re: Islam in America

PostPosted: Thu Jan 14, 2016 5:27 pm
by Gezza
Ashkenazi Jews belong to white peoples, they are not a real Israelite.

"Kill the unbelievers (White Race and Ashkenazi Jews) wherever you find them." :lotpot:


Yeah - it would be humorous if it wasn't so exactly the same attitude as you get from the fanatical followers of every other supremacist ideology that has plagued humanity from time immemorial. Usually a hijacked religion or a political construct using exactly the same kinds of methods of propagating itself as religions--charismatic leader, belief in supremacy of system, small initial groups of followers, increase in aggression as they grow their numbers & strength and compete with opposition for dominance. Happened with all the ancient and recent Empires. Happened with Christianity. Happened (and is notably happening again) with Islam. Happened with Hinduism (and is notably happening again). Happening with Buddhism in Myanmar. Happened with Fascism. Happened with Communism. Sadly, having societies, institutions and belief systems instigated or taken over by wreckers, crooks, fanatics, murderers & megalomaniacs just seems to be part of human experience throughout history. :cry:

Anyway, Sam, Muslim fundamentalist fanatics seem to be killing people all over the world, other Muslims included, at the moment. So why do they do that? Especially killing other Muslims? Christians gave up on killing each other over sectarian differences. What's causing Muslims to be still going at it if it's supposed to be a religion of peace based on the Quran & Sunnah?

And if it's supposed to be an inspired & tolerant religion why are Daesh & Taliban & Saudi Arabian Muslim societies (as examples of Islamic societies) so intolerant of any other religions and of atheism and agnosticism?