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Re: From Leo Strauss to nowadays Neocons

PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 6:41 pm
by Muhammad bin Lyin
And, of course, if you're anything like most conspiracy people, you've already hidden the fact that you were flat out wrong and have probably moved to your next conspiracy theory so that you don't have to think how horribly wrong your other one was. That's how it works. That's why conspiracy theorists never learn, but rather just invent new ones.

Re: From Leo Strauss to nowadays Neocons

PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 6:43 pm
by The Cat
Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:
The Cat wrote:Tortures aren't conspiracy theory.


I didn't say THEY were. So they tortured and I disagreed with that. Does that make them Nazis and Hitler? Come on. And besides, Bush and Cheny are gone now. So who's going to feed your conspiracies now? What happened to their planned "Reich". Go ahead, answer it. You're the reckless accuser and now you need to back your accusations up.

This whole thread is showing how the Neocons are driven by the Straussian ideology, which is fascistic.

Re: From Leo Strauss to nowadays Neocons

PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 6:46 pm
by Muhammad bin Lyin
The Cat wrote:
Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:
The Cat wrote:Tortures aren't conspiracy theory.


I didn't say THEY were. So they tortured and I disagreed with that. Does that make them Nazis and Hitler? Come on. And besides, Bush and Cheny are gone now. So who's going to feed your conspiracies now? What happened to their planned "Reich". Go ahead, answer it. You're the reckless accuser and now you need to back your accusations up.

This whole thread is showing how the Neocons are driven by the Straussian ideology, which is fascistic.


They can't do it without the right President, right? So they have no consistency to count on or they have a max of 8 years to count on. That, does not a Reich, make. It's ridiculous. These people make a lot of money selling you all of this rubbish. Have you ever considered that? And then, when they're wrong, everybody's supposed to forget all about what they said and nobody's supposed to criticize. Well, if someone tarred and feathered these people, perhaps they would think twice before they offer any reckless theory their mind can create. But see, there are no ramifications for their errors, and they continue to irresponsibly slander without recourse.

Re: From Leo Strauss to nowadays Neocons

PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 6:48 pm
by Muhammad bin Lyin
So again, you mentioned dictators. Where are they now? Simple question. What happened to them? I thought they had full control and Nazism was inevitable?

Re: From Leo Strauss to nowadays Neocons

PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 6:54 pm
by Muhammad bin Lyin
Oh, I forgot. Here's something else too. I recently saw an in depth documentary about FDR and WW2. I was shocked to see how the level of bitter protest against the war was just as bad as in was with the Iraq war, and FDR's opponent was the "anti war" candidate who almost won by making that his strict platform. I was also shocked to find out how many times FDR actually broke the law. He blew Bush away in that category, but people just don't want to bring that up because now in hindsight, the war ended up being the right thing to do and he had to do what he had to do in the face of a very naive American public.

Re: From Leo Strauss to nowadays Neocons

PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 8:54 pm
by The Cat
Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:
The Cat wrote:This whole thread is showing how the Neocons are driven by the Straussian ideology, which is fascistic.


They can't do it without the right President, right? So they have no consistency to count on or they have a max of 8 years to count on. That, does not a Reich, make. It's ridiculous. These people make a lot of money selling you all of this rubbish. Have you ever considered that?

In Weimar Germany democracy has been so overthrown by the Hitlerian putsch. Simple... as Hermann Goering: ''Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country.''

Fritz Stern warnings:
http://www.lbi.org/fritzstern.html
German moderates and German elites underestimated Hitler, assuming that most people would not succumb to his Manichean unreason; they didn’t think that his hatred and mendacity could be taken seriously. They were proven wrong. People were enthralled by the Nazis’ cunning transposition of politics into carefully staged pageantry, into flag-waving martial mass. (...) German history teaches us that malice and simplicity have their own appeal, that force impresses, and that nothing in the public realm is inevitable. (...)

I fear that an estrangement is now taking place, and I suspect that all of us here would wish to preserve in the private realm what may be in jeopardy in public life. German democracy, German acceptance of Western traditions, has been the precondition for its gradual reconciliation with neighbors and former enemies (...) Every democracy needs a liberal fundament, a Bill of Rights enshrined in law and spirit, for this alone gives democracy the chance for self-correction and reform. Without it, the survival of democracy is at risk. Every genuine conservative knows this.


Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:I recently saw an in depth documentary about FDR and WW2. I was shocked to see how the level of bitter protest against the war was just as bad as in was with the Iraq war, and FDR's opponent was the "anti war" candidate who almost won by making that his strict platform. I was also shocked to find out how many times FDR actually broke the law. He blew Bush away in that category

WWII was justified, not the -endless- war in Iraq over false allegations of ties between Saddam and al-Qaeda, enabling the Neocons to shattered American rights. The enacting of fascism in America is a tough process, which must go through the destabilization of its civil rights and of the checks and balances instituted by the Founding fathers. Slowly eroding those were most of king Bush's decisions, under the spell of ''terrorism'', which terrorism they rather imposed on America through shrinking the constitutional Bill of Rights. Pretty fascist to me...

Are the Neocons driven by Leo Strauss fascist ideology? Yes! Are they still very active in America right now? Yes! To avoid this, we all should be vigilants because liberal democracies and Human rights are delicate fabrics that can be done with, as exemplified by recent history.

That's why the prosecution over tortures will rehabilitate and reinstate true American basic values...

Those we, Democrats and Republicans, fought for in WWII.

Re: From Leo Strauss to nowadays Neocons

PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 12:11 am
by Muhammad bin Lyin
The Cat wrote:
Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:
The Cat wrote:This whole thread is showing how the Neocons are driven by the Straussian ideology, which is fascistic.


They can't do it without the right President, right? So they have no consistency to count on or they have a max of 8 years to count on. That, does not a Reich, make. It's ridiculous. These people make a lot of money selling you all of this rubbish. Have you ever considered that?

In Weimar Germany democracy has been so overthrown by the Hitlerian putsch. Simple... as Hermann Goering: ''Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country.''


So how did your comparison make out in reality? In reality, your possibility made you end up with egg on your face and looking like a common creep psycho. So how did your "possible" idea make out? You don't want to answer that because we both know the answer to that.

The Cat wrote:
Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:I recently saw an in depth documentary about FDR and WW2. I was shocked to see how the level of bitter protest against the war was just as bad as in was with the Iraq war, and FDR's opponent was the "anti war" candidate who almost won by making that his strict platform. I was also shocked to find out how many times FDR actually broke the law. He blew Bush away in that category

WWII was justified,


epp epp epp epp....Isn't breaking the law breaking the law??? Isn't that what you would conveniently say when it came to assessing Bush? Don't tell me you haven't done that in the past, because I couldn't be more sure that you already have in some fashion. I know the common profile.

So now, things change. Stage one of shooting through your fallacies that aren't even your own, but are instead someone else's that you identify with.

The Cat wrote: not the -endless- war in Iraq over false allegations of ties between Saddam and al-Qaeda, enabling the Neocons to shattered American rights.


Gee, I never felt violated at all, and now that evil Bush is gone, I won't feel that way for the next 4 years, right? Silly disgruntled conspiracy guy. You're not much smarter than the Muslims.

The Cat wrote: The enacting of fascism in America is a tough process, which must go through the destabilization of its civil rights and of the checks and balances instituted by the Founding fathers. Slowly eroding those were most of king Bush's decisions, under the spell of ''terrorism'', which terrorism they rather imposed on America through shrinking the constitutional Bill of Rights. Pretty fascist to me...


And he only had 8 years. So what happened? What was your emotional, irrational mind afraid of? NOTHING!!!! Go complain to President BARAK HUSSEIN OBAMA about the NAZIS running this country and your silly conspiracy theories and see what he says. Freak.

The Cat wrote:Are the Neocons driven by Leo Strauss fascist ideology? Yes! Are they still very active in America right now? Yes! To avoid this, we all should be vigilants because liberal democracies and Human rights are delicate fabrics that can be done with, as exemplified by recent history.

That's why the prosecution over tortures will rehabilitate and reinstate true American basic values...

Those we, Democrats and Republicans, fought for in WWII.


How about if you get an effin real job first and then come back and talk to me.

Re: From Leo Strauss to nowadays Neocons

PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 1:40 am
by The Cat
Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:
The Cat wrote:In Weimar Germany democracy has been so overthrown by the Hitlerian putsch. Simple... as Hermann Goering: ''Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country.''

So how did your comparison make out in reality?
Iraq. WMD. The Patriot Act. The economic mess left over, etc.

Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:
The Cat wrote:WWII was justified,

epp epp epp epp....Isn't breaking the law breaking the law??? Isn't that what you would conveniently say when it came to assessing Bush?
Only since you equal the fight against fascist aggressions and that of Iraqis who never were involved with WTC at all.

Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:
The Cat wrote:not the -endless- war in Iraq over false allegations of ties between Saddam and al-Qaeda, enabling the Neocons to shattered American rights.

Gee, I never felt violated at all, and now that evil Bush is gone, I won't feel that way for the next 4 years, right? Silly disgruntled conspiracy guy.
Just watch Glenn Beck or listen to Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter, the eliminatists. You'll know better... Or will you? Of course no!

Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:
The Cat wrote:The enacting of fascism in America is a tough process, which must go through the destabilization of its civil rights and of the checks and balances instituted by the Founding fathers. Slowly eroding those were most of king Bush's decisions, under the spell of ''terrorism'', which terrorism they rather imposed on America through shrinking the constitutional Bill of Rights. Pretty fascist to me...

And he only had 8 years. So what happened? What was your emotional, irrational mind afraid of? NOTHING!!!! Go complain to President BARAK HUSSEIN OBAMA about the NAZIS running this country and your silly conspiracy theories and see what he says. Freak.
Can't you project but your own silliness?

Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:
The Cat wrote:Are the Neocons driven by Leo Strauss fascist ideology? Yes! Are they still very active in America right now? Yes! To avoid this, we all should be vigilants because liberal democracies and Human rights are delicate fabrics that can be done with, as exemplified by recent history.

That's why the prosecution over tortures will rehabilitate and reinstate true American basic values...

Those we, Democrats and Republicans, fought for in WWII.


How about if you get an effin real job first and then come back and talk to me.

As always you aren't answering, just throwing any mud at hand... I hope you can do better. :heh:

Re: From Leo Strauss to nowadays Neocons

PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 2:24 am
by Mindstorm
The Cat, the forum's newest Islam Apologist.

Hey The Cat are you still posting out of the PhotoBucket account with Saddam Hussein's head --from those cell phone images-- removed from his body and replaced with Bush's head?

Re: From Leo Strauss to nowadays Neocons

PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 2:58 am
by The Cat
Mindstorm wrote:The Cat, the forum's newest Islam Apologist.

Hey The Cat are you still posting out of the PhotoBucket account with Saddam Hussein's head --from those cell phone images-- removed from his body and replaced with Bush's head?

Iraq had nothing to do with WTC, nor with WMD, now prove me wrong...

You just can't help discrediting yourself over and over. Keep it up, boy.

Re: From Leo Strauss to nowadays Neocons

PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 3:01 am
by Mindstorm
The Cat wrote:
Mindstorm wrote:The Cat, the forum's newest Islam Apologist.

Hey The Cat are you still posting out of the PhotoBucket account with Saddam Hussein's head --from those cell phone images-- removed from his body and replaced with Bush's head?

Iraq had nothing to do with WTC, nor with WMD, now prove me wrong...

You just can't help discrediting yourself over and over. Keep it up, boy.


What does your rebuttal have to do with my observations? It has nothing to do with what I posted.

Re: From Leo Strauss to nowadays Neocons

PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 3:06 am
by Mindstorm
Btw, you never answered my question.

Hey The Cat are you still posting out of the PhotoBucket account with Saddam Hussein's head --from those cell phone images-- removed from his body and replaced with Bush's head?

Re: From Leo Strauss to nowadays Neocons

PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 4:28 am
by Salad In
The Cat wrote:
Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:
The Cat wrote:Tortures aren't conspiracy theory.


I didn't say THEY were. So they tortured and I disagreed with that. Does that make them Nazis and Hitler? Come on. And besides, Bush and Cheny are gone now. So who's going to feed your conspiracies now? What happened to their planned "Reich". Go ahead, answer it. You're the reckless accuser and now you need to back your accusations up.

This whole thread is showing how the Neocons are driven by the Straussian ideology, which is fascistic.


Well if torture equates with Straussian ideology which is, in your opinion fascistic, Mr Obama is a Neocon, a fascist and he adheres to Straussian ideology.

Re: From Leo Strauss to nowadays Neocons

PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 11:31 pm
by Muhammad bin Lyin
The Cat wrote:
Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:
The Cat wrote:In Weimar Germany democracy has been so overthrown by the Hitlerian putsch. Simple... as Hermann Goering: ''Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country.''

So how did your comparison make out in reality?
Iraq. WMD. The Patriot Act. The economic mess left over, etc.


Oh, this is to be compared to Hitler's Germany? Well, by your calculations, we should be that by now, right? So what happened?

The Cat wrote:
Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:
The Cat wrote:WWII was justified,

epp epp epp epp....Isn't breaking the law breaking the law??? Isn't that what you would conveniently say when it came to assessing Bush?
Only since you equal the fight against fascist aggressions and that of Iraqis who never were involved with WTC at all.


OK, say breaking the law is OK when it agrees with your sensibilities. I understand. Gotcha.


The Cat wrote:
Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:
The Cat wrote:not the -endless- war in Iraq over false allegations of ties between Saddam and al-Qaeda, enabling the Neocons to shattered American rights.

Gee, I never felt violated at all, and now that evil Bush is gone, I won't feel that way for the next 4 years, right? Silly disgruntled conspiracy guy.
Just watch Glenn Beck or listen to Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter, the eliminatists. You'll know better... Or will you? Of course no!


I don't feel violated at all. You're the screaming freak who does. How come everybody else doesn't? Because they don't share the same bizarre fatalistic attitude you do?


The Cat wrote:The enacting of fascism in America is a tough process, which must go through the destabilization of its civil rights and of the checks and balances instituted by the Founding fathers. Slowly eroding those were most of king Bush's decisions, under the spell of ''terrorism'', which terrorism they rather imposed on America through shrinking the constitutional Bill of Rights. Pretty fascist to me...


And where is "King" Bush now? See how moronic and paranoid your claims are?

The Cat wrote:
And he only had 8 years. So what happened? What was your emotional, irrational mind afraid of? NOTHING!!!! Go complain to President BARAK HUSSEIN OBAMA about the NAZIS running this country and your silly conspiracy theories and see what he says. Freak.
Can't you project but your own silliness?


That's not an answer, so I'll repeat the question once again. So what happened to your conspiracy theory? Where's Bush and Cheney now, freak?


The Cat wrote:Are the Neocons driven by Leo Strauss fascist ideology? Yes! Are they still very active in America right now? Yes!


And who is currrently enabling them? Let's go. Let's have it.

The Cat wrote: To avoid this, we all should be vigilants because liberal democracies and Human rights are delicate fabrics that can be done with, as exemplified by recent history.


What an over reactive, paranoid freak. And events have definitively proven you so.

The Cat wrote:That's why the prosecution over tortures will rehabilitate and reinstate true American basic values...


Yea!!! Mister symbolism!!!

The Cat wrote:Those we, Democrats and Republicans, fought for in WWII.


We fought World War II over American values?? What frickin planet are you from? Where do you get these stupid ideas from? Yeah, let's restore the values of sticking American Japanese in camps. :lol: Again, what color is the sky in your world?

The Cat wrote:
How about if you get an effin real job first and then come back and talk to me.

As always you aren't answering, just throwing any mud at hand... I hope you can do better. :heh:


I answered every single thing you said and you dodge MY points. Nobody certainly ever accuses me of avoiding an answer or not answering something whether they agree with my answers or not. I couldn't be more of a direct and straightforward person, but not sure i can say the same of you. Don't worry, i know how it goes. The angry young man. Everybody has to tolerate it until he becomes the resolved man. Takes time.

Re: From Leo Strauss to nowadays Neocons

PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 1:41 am
by Muhammad bin Lyin
Ya' know, it's always the same old crap . We're all spoiled in the west and it has driven some to some crazy, self flagellating, self defeating, crazy ideas. And there are the semi unstable people that the bottom feeding Muslims hope to feed on for conversion, or at least count on for a diversion. When bin Laden makes a speech and advises western people about their government, who do you think he's trying to reach, someone like me or someone like Cat who can easily believe that Bush is more evil than bin Laden? I'll say one thing. He's sure trying to reach some type of person and I think he knows which type it is. I've always said, it will be the liberals that open the gate for the Trojan Horse, assuming they haven't unwittingly done so already. Sometimes a little ignorance can be a good thing to temper intellectualism that has gone off the bend. Sounds strange, but I think it's true.

Re: From Leo Strauss to nowadays Neocons

PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 4:28 am
by The Cat
Mindstorm wrote:Hey The Cat are you still posting out of the PhotoBucket account with Saddam Hussein's head --from those cell phone images-- removed from his body and replaced with Bush's head?

After being discredited, you're now irrelevant.

Next?

Re: From Leo Strauss to nowadays Neocons

PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 4:30 am
by The Cat
Salad In wrote:Well if torture equates with Straussian ideology which is, in your opinion fascistic, Mr Obama is a Neocon, a fascist and he adheres to Straussian ideology.

Non Sequitur: Did Obama condone torture or rather asked for the closing of Guantanamo?

Since Leo Strauss mentors were Carl Schmidt, Martin Heidegger and Nietzsche, it's not a question of 'opinion' that the Neocons are fascistics. And, torturing is a totalitarian mindset feature and the methods they employed came directly from North Korea, Cambodia and China. They were meant to produce wanted the false testimonies needed to incriminate, not to provide reliable evidences. The end result of the Neocon policy is worldwide anti-Americanism, exactly the contrary to their stated goal. Quite an achievement indeed!

Re: From Leo Strauss to nowadays Neocons

PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 4:40 am
by The Cat
Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:I'm sure you realize that the day the US makes peace with the ISLAMIC REPUBLIC of Iran, this will be the final legitimizer of the Iranian revolution thereby thwarting the Iranians who wish for regime change to something far less "Islamic". If the west establishes full ties, this tells the Iranian people that their government and system is completely legitimate and accepted by everyone, thereby making the Iranians complacent enough with these Mullahs.

We must deal with Iran and its factual government. If ever a compromise is reached, like civil nuclear energy checked by international envoys, it'll be for the better. Yet, we must avoid to interfere within Iran's inner problems. That was done with the Shah and the problems we're facing now.

Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:After less than a decade Iraq is conclusive? Ridiculous. What happens if that country turns the corner as it seems to be doing and becomes a democratic and economically viable country? what will people say than? where does this arbitrary time table come from where we say that success muct come in X amount of years? Who invents that? See what these people do? Their terrible and they have done nothing but take a tough situation and willfully make it worse with their words and propaganda. these are NOT Americans, regardless of whether they think they are or not.

Who are you to determine who's a real American? And Iraq is a demonstrated failure from the beginning, except for Iran.

Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:
The Cat wrote:Even Shirin Ebadi, the Iranian dissident who won the Nobel Peace Prize, told me recently that Iranians would rather suffer the mullahs for now than the horrors they see in Iraq.

Who causes those horrors? History will tell us.

Bush's Neocons. History has already classified him among the worst president of the USA. The only debate is if a worst president existed or not.

Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:Didn't even Bush himself say the US will leave when the situation on the ground dictates that? And the situation has drastically improve. But if we would have listed to assholes like this joker, and Obama, we would have pulled out with our tail in between our legs, Iraq would be in turmoil and assholes such as this commentator would only say "it was inevitable anyway" and cheesily go back and blame Bush. Well, apparently it WASN'T inevitable and Bush was right to stick to his guns.

And to torture I guess, so multiplying the Islamic radicals. McCain said they'd be in Iraq for a hundred years if needed, yet we were there for all the wrong decisions, from improvised and panicked reasons. So Bush started to torture in order to establish a link between Saddam and al-Qaeda. He failed in that too. In the process, thousands and thousands of Iraqis and Americans were injured, dismembered or killed and the reputation of the US shattered. Quite an achievement indeed.

Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:So how do we "engage" Iran to give up it's Nuclear weapons desires?

Certainly not by invading Iran unilaterally, like we've done in Iraq. Have you ever heard of diplomacy? Iran is almost totally isolated on this question, including many Sunnis & even Russia, so we may reach a striking consensus if needed, thanks to Obama.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/johann-ha ... 16401.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/1 ... 16074.html
http://washingtonindependent.com/46957/ ... t-election

Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:
The Cat wrote:quoting Brzezinski: And thus, in Iran, we have two different forces at work. You have those who are for more democracy, but who are also nationalistic. And there are those who are supporting the regime, who in many respects are like our neocons -- very similar to our neocons. They're Manichean. They look at the world as divided into good and evil, and many of them see America as the personification of evil. So, that makes it much more complicated, and makes our role much more sensitive (...)

I think Obama has redefined America's relationship with Islam. And thereby, he has weakened the capacity of the ayatollahs to present us as a satanic force. But we should have no illusions that Iranian nationalism is going to be easy to deal with. And even if Mousavi wins, for example, we'll still have a complicated problem in the nuclear area. But hopefully, the nature of the dialogue, the atmosphere will change for the better.

Well, obviously none of that happened, naive fool.

After six months of presidency following thirty years and more of gun diplomacy? Who's the naive fool here?

Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:Progress Obama has made with this tact? Zero.

Re-aligning America with its European allies and with the Father's values, reinstating diplomacy, is zero?

You're not better in maths than in debating. How I forgot, you're just the average Neocon!

Re: From Leo Strauss to nowadays Neocons

PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 4:41 am
by Mindstorm
The Cat wrote:
Mindstorm wrote:Hey The Cat are you still posting out of the PhotoBucket account with Saddam Hussein's head --from those cell phone images-- removed from his body and replaced with Bush's head?

After being discredited, you're now irrelevant.

Next?


Okay, I will take that a a yes that you are still posting from that disgusting Photobucket account.

Re: From Leo Strauss to nowadays Neocons

PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 5:00 am
by The Cat
Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:
The Cat wrote:Iraq. WMD. The Patriot Act. The economic mess left over, etc.

Oh, this is to be compared to Hitler's Germany? Well, by your calculations, we should be that by now, right? So what happened?

Hitler's Germany didn't happen overnight. When you can incarcerate citizens endlessly without a trial, when you engage into preemptive war on no ground, yes America was sliding into Fascism. Even the economic mess left over is not without parallel with the Weimar back then.

Winston Churchill, when England's very survival was at stake in 1943: "The power of the executive to cast a man in prison without formulating any charge known to the law and particularly to deny him the judgment of his peers is in the highest degree odious and is the foundation of all totalitarian government...." For Neocons like you, torture is justified with G-d on your side. As such you're no better than the Islamic radicals.

Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:
The Cat wrote:Only since you equal the fight against fascist aggressions and that of Iraqis who never were involved with WTC at all.

OK, say breaking the law is OK when it agrees with your sensibilities. I understand. Gotcha.

Pearl Harbor was an open declaration of war that came without warning or due procedures. I fully understand the American awe then. Nothing to compare with Iraq, where the USA acted on its own. America, then, was the unjustified aggressor. See no differences still?

Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:
The Cat wrote:Just watch Glenn Beck or listen to Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter, the eliminatists. You'll know better... Or will you? Of course no!

I don't feel violated at all. You're the screaming freak who does. How come everybody else doesn't? Because they don't share the same bizarre fatalistic attitude you do?

Everybody else doesn't? Where were you recently?
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Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:
The Cat wrote:The enacting of fascism in America is a tough process, which must go through the destabilization of its civil rights and of the checks and balances instituted by the Founding fathers. Slowly eroding those were most of king Bush's decisions, under the spell of ''terrorism'', which terrorism they rather imposed on America through shrinking the constitutional Bill of Rights. Pretty fascist to me...

And where is "King" Bush now? See how moronic and paranoid your claims are?

Nothing moronic but your comment. Bush is still everywhere in the economic mess he left over while eroding constitutional civil rights under false pretense, tax cuts leading to massive, unprecedented deficits; pre-emptive wars against non-aggressive nations, sanctioning of torture, increased of anti-Americanism worldwide; shifting the tax burden from wealthy corporations and individuals to wage earners which resulted in an increase in the percentage of Americans living in poverty. If one thing he laid down the situation that Germany faced in the 20s.

Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:Where's Bush and Cheney now, freak?

Cheney is very active defending his torture policy. That's freaky isn't it?
And Bush family has long ties with Nazism and Saudi interests.
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The Nazi connection of the Bush Family, through Prescott S. Bush
http://www.liberalslikechrist.org/about/Bushfamily.html
A timeline of events:
http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/timeline.html
On Youtube: John Buchanan, Bush Family Aided Hitler


Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:
The Cat wrote:Are the Neocons driven by Leo Strauss fascist ideology? Yes! Are they still very active in America right now? Yes!

And who is currrently enabling them? Let's go. Let's have it.

Enabling them is a junction of Christian fundamentalists and Patriot rednecks like the eliminationists and far-rightists such as you.
http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2007/03/el ... endix.html

Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:
The Cat wrote:To avoid this, we all should be vigilants because liberal democracies and Human rights are delicate fabrics that can be done with, as exemplified by recent history.

What an over reactive, paranoid freak. And events have definitively proven you so.

Not according to the Department of Homeland Security.
http://p3books.com/theeliminationists/
Quoting: ''The Eliminationists describes the malignant influence of right-wing hate talk on the American conservative movement. Tracing much of this vitriol to the dank corners of the para-fascist right, award-winning reporter David Neiwert documents persistent ideas and rhetoric that champion the elimination of opposition groups. As a result of this hateful discourse, Neiwert argues, the broader conservative movement has metastasized into something not truly conservative, but decidedly right-wing and potentially dangerous. (...)

Neiwart goes onto show how these once fringe ideas have permeated the Republican Party in the past two decades, especially those who had previously been involved in the Reform Party and the Patriot movement, with the result that the political center of the the Conservative movement has shifted further to the Right and morphed into what Neiwart calls Para-fascism. Although not outright revolutionary in tone, and paying some lip-service to law and order, para-fascism is in danger of becoming more proto-fascist in the coming years.
''

Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:
The Cat wrote:That's why the prosecution over tortures will rehabilitate and reinstate true American basic values...

Yea!!! Mister symbolism!!!

The American values aren't symbolics. They are made of people, of hopes and works, of... We-The-People!

Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:
The Cat wrote:Those we, Democrats and Republicans, fought for in WWII.

We fought World War II over American values?? What frickin planet are you from? Where do you get these stupid ideas from? Yeah, let's restore the values of sticking American Japanese in camps.

I thought basic American values were freedom and liberty. Not MacDonald or Coca-cola. Again, Pearl Harbor was an open declaration of war coming without warning or due procedures. America had reasons to be stiff. Btw, Michael Savage suggested we should so intern Muslims...

Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:
The Cat wrote:As always you aren't answering, just throwing any mud at hand... I hope you can do better.

I answered every single thing you said and you dodge MY points. Nobody certainly ever accuses me of avoiding an answer or not answering something whether they agree with my answers or not. I couldn't be more of a direct and straightforward person, but not sure i can say the same of you.

You haven't still answered anything, just trashing and projecting your frantic Bush bigotry. But that's obviously the best to be expected from you. Ad hominem and false analogies are Neocons' trademarks and they stinks...