Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:The Cat wrote:Tortures aren't conspiracy theory.
I didn't say THEY were. So they tortured and I disagreed with that. Does that make them Nazis and Hitler? Come on. And besides, Bush and Cheny are gone now. So who's going to feed your conspiracies now? What happened to their planned "Reich". Go ahead, answer it. You're the reckless accuser and now you need to back your accusations up.
The Cat wrote:Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:The Cat wrote:Tortures aren't conspiracy theory.
I didn't say THEY were. So they tortured and I disagreed with that. Does that make them Nazis and Hitler? Come on. And besides, Bush and Cheny are gone now. So who's going to feed your conspiracies now? What happened to their planned "Reich". Go ahead, answer it. You're the reckless accuser and now you need to back your accusations up.
This whole thread is showing how the Neocons are driven by the Straussian ideology, which is fascistic.
Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:The Cat wrote:This whole thread is showing how the Neocons are driven by the Straussian ideology, which is fascistic.
They can't do it without the right President, right? So they have no consistency to count on or they have a max of 8 years to count on. That, does not a Reich, make. It's ridiculous. These people make a lot of money selling you all of this rubbish. Have you ever considered that?
German moderates and German elites underestimated Hitler, assuming that most people would not succumb to his Manichean unreason; they didn’t think that his hatred and mendacity could be taken seriously. They were proven wrong. People were enthralled by the Nazis’ cunning transposition of politics into carefully staged pageantry, into flag-waving martial mass. (...) German history teaches us that malice and simplicity have their own appeal, that force impresses, and that nothing in the public realm is inevitable. (...)
I fear that an estrangement is now taking place, and I suspect that all of us here would wish to preserve in the private realm what may be in jeopardy in public life. German democracy, German acceptance of Western traditions, has been the precondition for its gradual reconciliation with neighbors and former enemies (...) Every democracy needs a liberal fundament, a Bill of Rights enshrined in law and spirit, for this alone gives democracy the chance for self-correction and reform. Without it, the survival of democracy is at risk. Every genuine conservative knows this.
Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:I recently saw an in depth documentary about FDR and WW2. I was shocked to see how the level of bitter protest against the war was just as bad as in was with the Iraq war, and FDR's opponent was the "anti war" candidate who almost won by making that his strict platform. I was also shocked to find out how many times FDR actually broke the law. He blew Bush away in that category
The Cat wrote:Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:The Cat wrote:This whole thread is showing how the Neocons are driven by the Straussian ideology, which is fascistic.
They can't do it without the right President, right? So they have no consistency to count on or they have a max of 8 years to count on. That, does not a Reich, make. It's ridiculous. These people make a lot of money selling you all of this rubbish. Have you ever considered that?
In Weimar Germany democracy has been so overthrown by the Hitlerian putsch. Simple... as Hermann Goering: ''Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country.''
The Cat wrote:Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:I recently saw an in depth documentary about FDR and WW2. I was shocked to see how the level of bitter protest against the war was just as bad as in was with the Iraq war, and FDR's opponent was the "anti war" candidate who almost won by making that his strict platform. I was also shocked to find out how many times FDR actually broke the law. He blew Bush away in that category
WWII was justified,
The Cat wrote: not the -endless- war in Iraq over false allegations of ties between Saddam and al-Qaeda, enabling the Neocons to shattered American rights.
The Cat wrote: The enacting of fascism in America is a tough process, which must go through the destabilization of its civil rights and of the checks and balances instituted by the Founding fathers. Slowly eroding those were most of king Bush's decisions, under the spell of ''terrorism'', which terrorism they rather imposed on America through shrinking the constitutional Bill of Rights. Pretty fascist to me...
The Cat wrote:Are the Neocons driven by Leo Strauss fascist ideology? Yes! Are they still very active in America right now? Yes! To avoid this, we all should be vigilants because liberal democracies and Human rights are delicate fabrics that can be done with, as exemplified by recent history.
That's why the prosecution over tortures will rehabilitate and reinstate true American basic values...
Those we, Democrats and Republicans, fought for in WWII.
Iraq. WMD. The Patriot Act. The economic mess left over, etc.Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:The Cat wrote:In Weimar Germany democracy has been so overthrown by the Hitlerian putsch. Simple... as Hermann Goering: ''Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country.''
So how did your comparison make out in reality?
Only since you equal the fight against fascist aggressions and that of Iraqis who never were involved with WTC at all.Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:The Cat wrote:WWII was justified,
epp epp epp epp....Isn't breaking the law breaking the law??? Isn't that what you would conveniently say when it came to assessing Bush?
Just watch Glenn Beck or listen to Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter, the eliminatists. You'll know better... Or will you? Of course no!Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:The Cat wrote:not the -endless- war in Iraq over false allegations of ties between Saddam and al-Qaeda, enabling the Neocons to shattered American rights.
Gee, I never felt violated at all, and now that evil Bush is gone, I won't feel that way for the next 4 years, right? Silly disgruntled conspiracy guy.
Can't you project but your own silliness?Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:The Cat wrote:The enacting of fascism in America is a tough process, which must go through the destabilization of its civil rights and of the checks and balances instituted by the Founding fathers. Slowly eroding those were most of king Bush's decisions, under the spell of ''terrorism'', which terrorism they rather imposed on America through shrinking the constitutional Bill of Rights. Pretty fascist to me...
And he only had 8 years. So what happened? What was your emotional, irrational mind afraid of? NOTHING!!!! Go complain to President BARAK HUSSEIN OBAMA about the NAZIS running this country and your silly conspiracy theories and see what he says. Freak.
Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:The Cat wrote:Are the Neocons driven by Leo Strauss fascist ideology? Yes! Are they still very active in America right now? Yes! To avoid this, we all should be vigilants because liberal democracies and Human rights are delicate fabrics that can be done with, as exemplified by recent history.
That's why the prosecution over tortures will rehabilitate and reinstate true American basic values...
Those we, Democrats and Republicans, fought for in WWII.
How about if you get an effin real job first and then come back and talk to me.
Mindstorm wrote:The Cat, the forum's newest Islam Apologist.
Hey The Cat are you still posting out of the PhotoBucket account with Saddam Hussein's head --from those cell phone images-- removed from his body and replaced with Bush's head?
The Cat wrote:Mindstorm wrote:The Cat, the forum's newest Islam Apologist.
Hey The Cat are you still posting out of the PhotoBucket account with Saddam Hussein's head --from those cell phone images-- removed from his body and replaced with Bush's head?
Iraq had nothing to do with WTC, nor with WMD, now prove me wrong...
You just can't help discrediting yourself over and over. Keep it up, boy.
Hey The Cat are you still posting out of the PhotoBucket account with Saddam Hussein's head --from those cell phone images-- removed from his body and replaced with Bush's head?
The Cat wrote:Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:The Cat wrote:Tortures aren't conspiracy theory.
I didn't say THEY were. So they tortured and I disagreed with that. Does that make them Nazis and Hitler? Come on. And besides, Bush and Cheny are gone now. So who's going to feed your conspiracies now? What happened to their planned "Reich". Go ahead, answer it. You're the reckless accuser and now you need to back your accusations up.
This whole thread is showing how the Neocons are driven by the Straussian ideology, which is fascistic.
The Cat wrote:Iraq. WMD. The Patriot Act. The economic mess left over, etc.Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:The Cat wrote:In Weimar Germany democracy has been so overthrown by the Hitlerian putsch. Simple... as Hermann Goering: ''Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country.''
So how did your comparison make out in reality?
The Cat wrote:Only since you equal the fight against fascist aggressions and that of Iraqis who never were involved with WTC at all.Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:The Cat wrote:WWII was justified,
epp epp epp epp....Isn't breaking the law breaking the law??? Isn't that what you would conveniently say when it came to assessing Bush?
The Cat wrote:Just watch Glenn Beck or listen to Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter, the eliminatists. You'll know better... Or will you? Of course no!Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:The Cat wrote:not the -endless- war in Iraq over false allegations of ties between Saddam and al-Qaeda, enabling the Neocons to shattered American rights.
Gee, I never felt violated at all, and now that evil Bush is gone, I won't feel that way for the next 4 years, right? Silly disgruntled conspiracy guy.
The Cat wrote:The enacting of fascism in America is a tough process, which must go through the destabilization of its civil rights and of the checks and balances instituted by the Founding fathers. Slowly eroding those were most of king Bush's decisions, under the spell of ''terrorism'', which terrorism they rather imposed on America through shrinking the constitutional Bill of Rights. Pretty fascist to me...
The Cat wrote:Can't you project but your own silliness?And he only had 8 years. So what happened? What was your emotional, irrational mind afraid of? NOTHING!!!! Go complain to President BARAK HUSSEIN OBAMA about the NAZIS running this country and your silly conspiracy theories and see what he says. Freak.
The Cat wrote:Are the Neocons driven by Leo Strauss fascist ideology? Yes! Are they still very active in America right now? Yes!
The Cat wrote: To avoid this, we all should be vigilants because liberal democracies and Human rights are delicate fabrics that can be done with, as exemplified by recent history.
The Cat wrote:That's why the prosecution over tortures will rehabilitate and reinstate true American basic values...
The Cat wrote:Those we, Democrats and Republicans, fought for in WWII.
The Cat wrote:How about if you get an effin real job first and then come back and talk to me.
As always you aren't answering, just throwing any mud at hand... I hope you can do better.
Mindstorm wrote:Hey The Cat are you still posting out of the PhotoBucket account with Saddam Hussein's head --from those cell phone images-- removed from his body and replaced with Bush's head?
Salad In wrote:Well if torture equates with Straussian ideology which is, in your opinion fascistic, Mr Obama is a Neocon, a fascist and he adheres to Straussian ideology.
Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:I'm sure you realize that the day the US makes peace with the ISLAMIC REPUBLIC of Iran, this will be the final legitimizer of the Iranian revolution thereby thwarting the Iranians who wish for regime change to something far less "Islamic". If the west establishes full ties, this tells the Iranian people that their government and system is completely legitimate and accepted by everyone, thereby making the Iranians complacent enough with these Mullahs.
Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:After less than a decade Iraq is conclusive? Ridiculous. What happens if that country turns the corner as it seems to be doing and becomes a democratic and economically viable country? what will people say than? where does this arbitrary time table come from where we say that success muct come in X amount of years? Who invents that? See what these people do? Their terrible and they have done nothing but take a tough situation and willfully make it worse with their words and propaganda. these are NOT Americans, regardless of whether they think they are or not.
Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:The Cat wrote:Even Shirin Ebadi, the Iranian dissident who won the Nobel Peace Prize, told me recently that Iranians would rather suffer the mullahs for now than the horrors they see in Iraq.
Who causes those horrors? History will tell us.
Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:Didn't even Bush himself say the US will leave when the situation on the ground dictates that? And the situation has drastically improve. But if we would have listed to assholes like this joker, and Obama, we would have pulled out with our tail in between our legs, Iraq would be in turmoil and assholes such as this commentator would only say "it was inevitable anyway" and cheesily go back and blame Bush. Well, apparently it WASN'T inevitable and Bush was right to stick to his guns.
Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:So how do we "engage" Iran to give up it's Nuclear weapons desires?
Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:The Cat wrote:quoting Brzezinski: And thus, in Iran, we have two different forces at work. You have those who are for more democracy, but who are also nationalistic. And there are those who are supporting the regime, who in many respects are like our neocons -- very similar to our neocons. They're Manichean. They look at the world as divided into good and evil, and many of them see America as the personification of evil. So, that makes it much more complicated, and makes our role much more sensitive (...)
I think Obama has redefined America's relationship with Islam. And thereby, he has weakened the capacity of the ayatollahs to present us as a satanic force. But we should have no illusions that Iranian nationalism is going to be easy to deal with. And even if Mousavi wins, for example, we'll still have a complicated problem in the nuclear area. But hopefully, the nature of the dialogue, the atmosphere will change for the better.
Well, obviously none of that happened, naive fool.
Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:Progress Obama has made with this tact? Zero.
The Cat wrote:Mindstorm wrote:Hey The Cat are you still posting out of the PhotoBucket account with Saddam Hussein's head --from those cell phone images-- removed from his body and replaced with Bush's head?
After being discredited, you're now irrelevant.
Next?
Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:The Cat wrote:Iraq. WMD. The Patriot Act. The economic mess left over, etc.
Oh, this is to be compared to Hitler's Germany? Well, by your calculations, we should be that by now, right? So what happened?
Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:The Cat wrote:Only since you equal the fight against fascist aggressions and that of Iraqis who never were involved with WTC at all.
OK, say breaking the law is OK when it agrees with your sensibilities. I understand. Gotcha.
Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:The Cat wrote:Just watch Glenn Beck or listen to Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter, the eliminatists. You'll know better... Or will you? Of course no!
I don't feel violated at all. You're the screaming freak who does. How come everybody else doesn't? Because they don't share the same bizarre fatalistic attitude you do?
Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:The Cat wrote:The enacting of fascism in America is a tough process, which must go through the destabilization of its civil rights and of the checks and balances instituted by the Founding fathers. Slowly eroding those were most of king Bush's decisions, under the spell of ''terrorism'', which terrorism they rather imposed on America through shrinking the constitutional Bill of Rights. Pretty fascist to me...
And where is "King" Bush now? See how moronic and paranoid your claims are?
Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:Where's Bush and Cheney now, freak?
Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:The Cat wrote:Are the Neocons driven by Leo Strauss fascist ideology? Yes! Are they still very active in America right now? Yes!
And who is currrently enabling them? Let's go. Let's have it.
Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:The Cat wrote:To avoid this, we all should be vigilants because liberal democracies and Human rights are delicate fabrics that can be done with, as exemplified by recent history.
What an over reactive, paranoid freak. And events have definitively proven you so.
Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:The Cat wrote:That's why the prosecution over tortures will rehabilitate and reinstate true American basic values...
Yea!!! Mister symbolism!!!
Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:The Cat wrote:Those we, Democrats and Republicans, fought for in WWII.
We fought World War II over American values?? What frickin planet are you from? Where do you get these stupid ideas from? Yeah, let's restore the values of sticking American Japanese in camps.
Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:The Cat wrote:As always you aren't answering, just throwing any mud at hand... I hope you can do better.
I answered every single thing you said and you dodge MY points. Nobody certainly ever accuses me of avoiding an answer or not answering something whether they agree with my answers or not. I couldn't be more of a direct and straightforward person, but not sure i can say the same of you.
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