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France.... Muslims attack police, torch cars for two nights after a Muslima was arrested for refusing to identify herself or lift her face veil.

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The wreckage of burnt cars are pictured in the social housing projects neighbourhood of Bagatelle on April 17, 2018 in Toulouse after a second night of clashes between angry youths and police, that have led to 18 arrests.

Toulouse, France has been rocked by two nights of furious riots, triggered by the arrest of a woman who refused to remove her Islamic full-face veil for police. Some 18 people were arrested.

Hundreds of police units were deployed after young residents threw stones, torched cars and set fire to garbage cans, police told the AFP. The clashes began on Sunday afternoon in the Toulouse district of Bellefontaine after a woman wearing a full-face veil – which is illegal in France – was stopped by the police for an identity check.

She allegedly showed a poor-quality photocopy of her identity card and refused to lift her veil to let police officers see her face. After several futile attempts to have her lift the veil, the woman began to scream for help, France Info reports.

She was placed under arrest and moved into a police vehicle. Soon after, a group of about 30 people circled the police and attacked them. Officers attempted to quell the crowd by discharging their weapons and used tear gas launcher.

Along with the disturbances in Bellefontaine, there were also riots in Mirail and the neighboring district of Reynerie, which also began on Sunday evening. It’s believed the riots are connected to the suicide of a prisoner incarcerated in Seysses near Toulouse, who was found hanged in his cell on Saturday.

Hundreds of policemen were mobilised during the clashes in Reynerie with around 15 cars set on fire by rioters and around 300 tear gas grenades launched in the crowd.

“The clashes were extremely violent. My colleagues were very shocked, the events were very complicated to manage but they showed a lot of composure,” said spokesperson Didier Martinez.

“There was clearly an intention to attack the police,” said district police officer Arnaud Bavois describing scenes of “great violence” during the riots. The high-risk districts of Reynerie, Bellefontaine and Mirail in Toulouse, are identified as priority security areas.
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France ‘celebrates’ World Cup victory: 292 arrests, 45 injured police officers and 2 dead civilians

On Monday morning, police authorities made public the results of vandalism and clashes that have followed France’s victory in the World Cup.

292 people have been taken into custody, including 90 in Paris and 18 in Lyon, with 45 policemen seriously wounded, French newspaper Le Monde reports.

There were also acts of vandalism throughout the country, especially in Paris where dozens of youths shattered windows and looted popular stores.

Videos of destroyed cars and looting have surfaced on the Internet leading to the suspicion that dozens of millions of euros in damages were done. Around 800 cars have been torched in the weekend, leading to serious criminal investigations being launched.

The police also found 3 members of the Turkish community of Amiens were stabbed by 3 people waving flags of the Kurdistan Workers’ Party; the injured were transported hurriedly to hospital.
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Man arrested after CCTV footage of woman being hit in face outside Paris cafe angers France.

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A man has been arrested in Paris in connection with an apparently random attack in which a woman was hit in the face.

Marie Laguerre said the man made a number of degrading comments and obscene noises as she walked past a cafe in the French capital on her way home from work.

After the 22-year-old told him to “shut up”, the man threw an ashtray at her head before they traded insults and he struck her with his hand across the face.

The incident was captured on CCTV and shared widely on social media, triggering a debate about sexual harassment and the treatment of women.

Reports in French media said the suspect, named as 25-year-old Firas M, had been receiving psychiatric treatment in hospital and was arrested as he left the facility in northern Paris. :clueless:

Police initially struggled to pursue the lead because of medical confidentiality rules that prevented the hospital from sharing information with detectives.

The suspect was described as “violent” and “able to hit his mother” according to French newspaper, Le Parisien.

He is being held in custody following his arrest on Monday and Ms Laguerre has been invited to the police station to identify him.

Commenting on the attack at the time, Ms Laguerre said: "It wasn't the first time that day, that week, or that month. It had been building up. I got angry and said 'shut up'. I didn't think he'd hear, but he did.”

Angered by her response, the man threw an ashtray at her, missing by only a few inches.

Continuing with the insults, he then struck her across the face.

"I know he's going to hit me," she said. "I could have run off but there was no question of that. I wasn't going to look down and certainly wasn't going to apologise."

The attack prompted an outpouring of anger.

Marlène Schiappa, the French equalities minister said shortly afterwards: “It is not acceptable that in France, in 2018, women are hit in the street because they refuse to be insulted when they walk. It is a fundamental issue of liberty."

After the attack, people in a neighbouring cafe intervened and she briefly went home before going back to collect witness statements and complain to police.

Many members of the public praised her actions on social media and Alexandra Cordebard, mayor of Paris’s 10th arrondissement, expressed her support.
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500 illegal migrants from Africa storm Paris’s main airport and demand the French PM give them permanent residency rights or French citizenship

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Hundreds of illegal migrants from Africa stormed Paris’s main airport and occupied an entire terminal on Sunday, demanding to meet with the country’s prime minister.

Footage posted on Twitter shows the roughly 500 migrants chanting in Terminal 2 of the Charles de Gaulle airport as about a dozen police officers in tactical gear look on, the NY Post reports.

“France does not belong to the French! Everyone has a right to be here!” one person can be heard yelling into a loudspeaker.

The protest was organized by the migrant support group “La Chapelle Debout”, which said their members call themselves “Black Vests.”

The group comes amid the country’s months-long “Yellow Vests movement” over tax reforms; French citizens are required to carry yellow vests in their vehicles for emergencies.

In an official statement, the group asked to meet with Prime Minister Edouard Philippe over the country’s asylum policy and the leaders of Air France.

They demanded that the airline “stop any financial, material, logistical or political participation in deportations.”

Later Sunday, an Air France delegation met with the group, a member told local newspaper Le Parisien.
A migrant who took part in the protest warned it wouldn’t be the last.

“We have targeted Air France, and other actions will follow,” he told the paper.

The protest shut down the terminal, though airport operator “Aeroports de Paris” said no flights had been affected.
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Terror explosion in French city of Lyon injures at least 13 people, including an 8-year-old girl

Police last night locked down the Victor Hugo area of the French city Lyon while the streets were filled with soldiers and firefighters, local media reported.

Anti-terror cops are hunting a male suspect after 13 people were injured when a parcel bomb filled with “nails, bolts and screws” exploded during rush hour in Lyon yesterday.

The man, aged in his 30s, was seen placing a bag outside a bakery in the Victor Hugo area of the city at 5.30pm local time before riding away on a bicycle, an official said.

Alain Bardelis, of the local police union, said the suspected bomber had his head covered and was wearing dark glasses, but was caught on CCTV.

A witness living in a flat on Victor Hugo said: “We heard a monstrous noise, and our windows came in. We could see that people were running everywhere down below. I saw people wounded.

A local woman said the horrific blast happened outside her home where she had been standing ten minutes before.

She tweeted: “I am going to throw up. The explosion in the street, I spent 10 minutes before. It’s literally the foot of my house.”

According to local media, the devastating explosion was caused by a parcel bomb which was filled with nails, bolts and screws.

French leader Emmanuel Macron interrupted a TV interview to say: “There’s been a bomb attack in Lyon, there are injuries.”

He later tweeted: “Tonight I think of the wounded of the explosion in Lyon, their families affected by the violence that has fallen on their loved ones in the street, and all Lyon. We are at your side.”

The attack comes on the eve of European elections in the country, when millions will go to the polls to elect new MEPs.

France has been the victim of some of Europe’s worst terror assaults in recent years.

In January 2015, 12 people were killed when two jihadis attacked the Parisian offices of French satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo.

And later that year, in November, a group of terrorists unleashed hell on the capital city murdering 130 innocent people in a coordinated gun and bomb massacre.

Nice in the south of France was also targeted in July 2016 when an extremist used a truck to kill 86 people who were celebrating Bastille Day.
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France: Muslims screaming “Allahu akbar” attack police station with paving stones and pyrotechnic devices

The conventional wisdom is that these “youths” will become loyal, productive French citizens if they’re given enough money and sufficient access to social services. Surely that will work, won’t it?

“A police station in the Eure attacked by youths shouting ‘Allah Akbar,'” translated from “Un commissariat de l’Eure attaqué par des jeunes aux cris d’«Allah Akbar»,” by Etienne Jacob, Le Figaro, June 29, 2019 (thanks to David):

Fifteen people launched projectiles, pyrotechnic devices and cobblestones on the police station south of Rouen, on the night of Thursday to Friday, insulting officials who came to defend the scene.

The scene is impressive. On the night of Thursday to Friday, the Val-de-Reuil-Louviers police station (Eure), south of Rouen, was stormed by a gang of young people. Around two o’clock in the morning, about fifteen hooded individuals attacked the establishment by launching numerous projectiles and also firing mortars, according to police reports consulted by Le Figaro. On the video surveillance images that we were able to consult, we saw two guards trying to contain the shooting of the attackers using riot shields. In shirts, the officials did not seem at all prepared for such an assault. Smoke, “pyrotechnic elements” of all colors and paving stones were thrown at the police.

Individuals seemed determined to enter the police station. Their attacks lasted for about half an hour, both against the officials and the building. They responded with tear gas…Around 2:30, calm finally returned. No officer was injured, some material damage was found: three windows were hit, and a vehicle was damaged.

“Come out, we’re going to burn you up”

…A complementary police report, consulted by Le Figaro, indicates that several officials heard cries of “Allah Akbar” during the assault. “Strip the French fuckers”, “Come out we are going to burn you”, chanted the suspects before fleeing, says the same document. On the spot, the remains of 115 projectiles were found, one specifies….
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Why do so many accounts of such things report cries of “Allah Akbar”? Are they deaf? Don't they hear “Allah-hu Akbar”? Don't they understand it's their proclamation that Allah is the greatEST of gods, their assertion of polytheism? Or would they rather we didn't know?
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Undocumented migrant “black vest” protesters storm Panthéon in Paris and demand the right to stay in France

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Hundreds of undocumented migrants have stormed the Panthéon monument in central Paris and demanded the right to remain in the country.

The protesters, who were mainly from West Africa, surged into the building at around midday on Friday.

Tourists were evacuated from the mausoleum, where many of France’s most famous figures are buried.

The group called themselves the “black vests” – a reference to the yellow vest protest movement that spread through much of France earlier this year.

They waved papers in the air, chanted, and demanded to hold talks with Prime Minister Édouard Philippe over their immigration status.
In a statement, the protest group described themselves as “the undocumented, the voiceless and the faceless of the French Republic”.

“We don’t want to negotiate with the interior minister and his officials any more, we want to talk to Prime Minister Édouard Philippe now!” it said.

Between 200 and 300 migrants took part in the protest, a police spokesman told Reuters news agency.

But other estimates – from activist groups and witnesses – said as many as 700 people were involved in the demonstration.

There were 37 arrests made, and reportedly some of the demonstrators suffered minor injuries.

The protesters remained in the Panthéon, a grand neoclassical building in the centre of the city, for several hours before they were evacuated by police.

Writers Émile Zola, Victor Hugo and Alexandre Dumas, and scientist Marie Curie, are among those buried in the building.

“All of the people who gained entry to the Panthéon have been evacuated,” Prime Minister Philippe said on Twitter. “France is a country based on the rule of law which means… respect for public monuments and for the memory they represent.”

Conservative leader Marine Le Pen called the occupation unacceptable. She tweeted: “In France, the only future for any illegal immigrant should be getting kicked out, because that’s the law.”
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Hundreds of undocumented migrants illegal immigrants
Fixed it for them. Why has this American euphemism crossed the Atlantic?
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Fernando wrote:
Hundreds of undocumented migrants illegal immigrants
Fixed it for them. Why has this American euphemism crossed the Atlantic?
I shall fix this for you.
Hundreds of illegal immigrants foreign criminals
A person who comes to the US without permission of the immigration authorities is inadmissible. A person who ....
  • enters or attemps to enter the United States at any time or place other than one designated by U.S. immigration officers (in other words, away from a border inspection point or other port of entry)
  • eluds examination or inspection by U.S. immigration officers (people have tried everything from digging tunnels to hiding in the trunk of a friend’s car)
  • attempts to enter or obtain entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or willful concealment of a material fact (which might include, for example, lying on a visa application or buying a false green card or other entry document).
... commits a crime and can be fined (as a criminal penalty), or imprisoned for up to six months.

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French Police Reported Nearly 900 Acts Of Anti-Catholic Vandalism In 2018. What Is Going On?

French police reported 129 thefts and 877 acts of vandalism in Catholic spaces in 2018, but neither the Church nor French media are calling attention to the widespread incidents, reported RealClearInvestigations Wednesday.

“We do know that the government has downplayed the official figures for years … The French government and media seem to be mostly complicit in their silence, perhaps because the Church and Christianity is seen as a historically powerful majority,” Ellen Fantini of the Observatory on Intolerance and Discrimination Against Christians in Europe told the Daily Caller News Foundation in an email Thursday.

The 2018 numbers tell just part of the story. The French Ministry of the Interior said attacks on Christian sites have quadrupled between 2008 and 2019, according to RealClear. (RELATED: Texas Man Pleads Guilty To Trying To Support ISIS When He Was A Teen)

These attacks include urination in baptismal fonts, the desecration of Catholic cemeteries and destroying centuries-old art. Some point to growing “Christianophobia” and cite the extreme examples of a suspected Islamic extremist opening fire at a crowded Christmas market in Strasbourg, France, in December and the 2016 murder of priest Jacques Hamel.

What cultural shifts are leading vandals to commit crimes like setting fire to the door of Saint-Sulpice, the second-largest church in Paris? Experts interviewed by RealClear gave explanations that ran the gamut: They placed blame on a lack of respect for religion rather than Christianity in particular, the fact that these Catholic sites are unguarded and therefore ripe for mischief, and growing anti-Christian sentiment in the country fueled by clergy sexual abuse.

For example, Christian journal Avenir de la Culture looked into the example of a nude female protester posing in front of the Virgin Mary statue in the Grotto at Lourdes reported RealClear.

“These are not isolated acts,” the author wrote in September, according to RealClear’s translation. “They testify to a climate in France that is profoundly anti-Christian.”

But French political philosopher Pierre Manent took a different perspective.

“This vandalism is drawn to Christian sites because they’re less defended and present little risk, and there are a lot of them,” he said according to RealClear.

The stories of these desecrations may remain untold because many members of the church who are most affected do not want media outcry.

“We do not want to develop a discourse of persecution,” Archbishop Georges Pontier, head of the French Bishops Conference, told Le Point according to a translation included in RealClear. “We do not wish to complain.”

Media and government may not call attention to the attacks to avoid provoking anti-Islamic sentiment, although evidence shows Muslims are behind a “small fraction” of anti-Christian crimes, according to RealClear.

Many perpetrators are never caught, but French press reports indicate roughly 60 percent of those apprehended are youths, according to RealClear.

However, other young people are stepping forward to combat the vandalism, Fantini said.

“On a positive note, a new citizens’ initiative has been formed (mostly young Catholics, as far as I can tell, called Protège ton église … to coordinate volunteers to check on churches and to politely disperse troublemakers,” she said.

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:wot: Some judges are real idiots.
Jewish woman’s killer not criminally liable because he was high on marijuana, French judge rules

A Muslim man who killed his Jewish neighbor in Paris while shouting about Allah is probably not criminally responsible for his actions because he had smoked marijuana beforehand, a French judge ruled.

The preliminary ruling in the trial of Kobili Traore for the 2017 murder of Sarah Halimi came Friday from a judge of inquiry — a magistrate that in the French justice system is tasked with deciding whether indicted defendants should in fact stand trial.

Francis Khalifat, the president of the CRIF umbrella group of French Jewish communities, called the ruling “unsurprising but hardly justifiable.” He said his group and others will appeal in hopes of bringing Traore to trial.

He could be hospitalized for treatment of his psychotic lapses or made to attend a drug rehabilitation program, or he could be released.

Khalifat’s op-ed published Monday on the CRIF website follows a series of protests over perceived delays in Traore’s trial and the efforts, including by judges, that CRIF and others have condemned as attempts to prevent a murder trial.

Sammy Ghozlan, a former police commissioner and founder of France’s Bureau for Vigilance Against Anti-Semitism, told the Jewish Telegraphic Agency in May that the handling of the Halimi case has made him “no longer have full confidence that anti-Semitic hate crimes in France are handled properly.”

Traore pummeled Halimi, a physician and kindergarten teacher, for an hour as police stood outside the woman’s door, according to reports. He shouted about Allah and called her a “demon” before throwing her to her death. Traore had called Halimi’s daughter “dirty Jewess” two years before killing the mother, the daughter has said.
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This is bizarre.... a deliberate intoxication is NOT a defence, at least not in English law.... is that different on the continent?

So, does that mean anyone killing a child because of drunk driving is also not guilty? I can do anything at all, as long as I smoke a joint beforehand?

If anything, this sounds to me like a killing because of religious/racial hate, so if anything, that should be dealt with very severely. No wonder the Jews of Europe are packing their bags in unprecedented numbers to go to Israel.
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manfred wrote:This is bizarre.... a deliberate intoxication is NOT a defence, at least not in English law.... is that different on the continent?
No, not here.

But the poor man was shouting about Allah. I am sure that helped to clear him from accusation and blame .

The judge must have been of opinion that it is Allah Who creates mistakes and causes people to commit them in destiny.

So................ :smartass:
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For Manfred...Hij folterde Joodse vrouw en wierp haar uit raam: “Maar dader niet verantwoordelijk voor daden want hij had cannabis gerookt”
’s Nachts was haar Malinese buurman, Kobili Traoré (27), haar appartement binnengedrongen. Hij folterde haar meer dan een uur een stuk. Tijdens de marteling reciteerde hij koranverzen en riep meermaals “Allah Akbar” voor hij haar levend van het balkon op de derde verdieping wierp. De toegebrachte verwondingen waren volgens het politierapport zo erg dat William Attal, de broer van het slachtoffer, de bloederige details niet wenste te delen met de pers.
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manfred wrote:If anything, this sounds to me like a killing because of religious/racial hate
It sounds to me like searching for any possible excuse to avoid finding him guilty or to minimise any sentence.
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Migrants claim French border police are racists who treat them badly

Migrants who’ve been forced across the Franco-Italian border have accused the French police of being racists and treating them badly.

Reporters from the Italian newspaper Il Giornale spoke with several migrants along the border including a man named Hamid who claimed that French police had forced him back across the border into Italy while hurling insults at him.

Hamid told reporters, “When the French police understood that I am Algerian, they started insulting me in Arabic.”

“They told me ‘**** your mother’. They are racists,” he added.

A report from France’s National Borders Assistance for Foreigners (Anafé) has also accused the police of racism claiming that train “passengers are subdivided and selected on the basis of ‘external’ signs, such as skin color, ‘smell’, clothing”.

The report also accuses the police of “asking for the documents only to people with physical traits that may suggest that they originate from African or Middle East countries.”

Reporters from Il Giornale also spoke to a man named Daren who lives in the border town of Ventimiglia who happened to be detained by French police for the reason that he looked like he might be a migrant.

“I live in Ventimiglia with my family I was just going to do a concert. I’m a singer,” he told reporters.

These latest reports follow another Il Giornale report from October of 2018 which confirmed that French police were driving across the border into Italy and dropping off migrants in the town of Claviere.

After hearing about it, Italy’s interior minister Matteo Salvini slammed the French, saying: “What happened to Claviere is an unprecedented offense against our country.”

In a letter sent to France’s interior minister Christophe Castaner, Matteo Salvini stated that Italy would no longer be Europe’s dumping ground for migrants, writing: “The choices made only in Paris and Berlin are enough, Italy is no longer willing to accept all immigrants arriving in Europe.”
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Dijon, France: two women beaten because of their cleavage. Guess by who

THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO AMERICA IF PEOPLE KEEP BEING BULLIED BY “ISLAMOPHOBIC” CLAIM AND SILENCE INTO SUBMISSION.
Around 10.45 p.m. Wednesday evening, the police intervened at Dijon France train station.

On a train from Paris, two men attacked a 33-year-old woman, accusing her of wearing clothing that was too light, namely a cleavage.

The two young men are Afghan asylum seekers living in Dole (Jura) meaning they are illegal aliens but they already feel at home because the authorities, the media and the NGO’s told them so.

and at home, it’s Islam. Where it’s banal to insult young women.

The two Muslims even tried to force them to get down the train at Dijon station and one of them beat them in the legs.

When questioned, the two individuals aged 19 and 23 will answer what other said before then: “it’s our culture, we didn’t mean any harm, we don’t know the code of your country”. They were summoned to appear before the criminal court, and the judge, like many before them, will let them go free.
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France: Violent attacks against firefighters and police officers “the new normal”

Physical assaults against firefighters, emergency personnel, and police officers in France are becoming more and more common, with French media describing it as “the new normal.”

According to a report by The Local France, since 2017, assaults against fire personnel have increased by 23 percent.

Over the weekend, France saw several violent attacks carried out against firefighters.

After being called to a scene in Noisy-le-Roi, firefighters were attacked by a 15-year-old after they responded to a call from his mother who suspected he had overdosed on drugs or alcohol.

“When they arrived, the teenager threatened to ‘snuff them.’ He kept on punching and kneeing the firefighters until they managed to control him. Two of the three men had cuts and bruises on their faces – they will be unable to work for six and 10 days respectively,” the Local reports.

In Aix-en-Provence, while attempting to resuscitate an 80-year-old man in the Jas-de-Bouffan neighborhood, emergency services had their vehicle stolen and destroyed. Emergency services found the vehicle not far from the scene smashed between a wall and another car. One side of the car had been completely ripped off.

In Corsica, a firefighter was attacked by an injured man who he was trying to help. Although the call began normally, the injured man suddenly became violent and punched one of the responders, a 52-year-old firefighter, in the face. The firefighter suffered injuries which required six stitches and resulted in him missing eight days of work.

“The population is being abandoned,” André Goretti, the president of the firefighters union in France told Franceinfo.

“Emergency services cannot meet people’s needs anymore and firefighters are the last link in this chain,” Goretti continued, adding “We are totally abandoned by those who govern us and those who employ us.”

Violent gang attacks against French police officers are also on the rise.

In July, in the notorious Seine-Saint-Denis ‘no-go’ suburb of Paris, police were attacked by somewhere around 20 “hostile individuals who had obviously prepared their act”. Just a few days earlier, a local police station in the department of Eure in northern France was besieged by a group of 15 to 30 young hooded Muslims who launched projectiles and fireworks, while shouting the two words ‘Allahu Akbar’
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