Islam’s Universal Economic Failure

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Posted By Daniel Greenfield On August 1, 2012 @ 12:38 am In Daily Mailer,FrontPage

If Romney accomplished nothing else during his Israeli visit, he did manage to offend every single Palestinian Arab terrorist group, all of whom, the Palestinian Authority, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, the PFLP and the DFLP, issued press releases denouncing him. American media outlets have been denouncing him for saying that the GDP Per Capita differences between Israel and the Palestinian Authority represent a contrast in values.

The official media narrative is that these differences are the results of oppression, checkpoints and blockades. But then why does the IMF put Israel’s GDP Per Capita well ahead of the oil-rich kingdom of Saudi Arabia?

Saudi Arabia has no Israeli checkpoints, no Israeli soldiers or planes flying overhead. It has wealth literally pouring out of the ground with a fifth of the world’s petroleum reserves. And yet the IMF puts it 13 places behind Israel and the World Bank puts it 8 places behind Israel. The only Muslim countries with a better GDP Per Capita than Israel are small monarchies drowning in oil.

The non-oil Muslim countries who are closest to Israel are Malaysia and Lebanon, 32 and 33 places behind Israel. Both countries also have sizable non-Muslim populations. Muslims make up only 50 percent of Lebanon and only 60 percent of Malaysia. No Muslim country without oil has a better GDP Per Capita than a Muslim country with sizable Christian or Buddhist minorities.

What Romney didn’t mention, but should have, is that the Palestinian Authority dealt yet another blow to its economy when it drove out the Christian population. Christians in the territories have traditionally made the best businessmen and the capital of the Palestinian Authority was actually started by Jordanian Christian refugees escaping Muslim persecution.

Israel has 1.2 Muslims inside the Green Line who account for 52 percent of its social benefits. Israel’s national unemployment rate is 5.6 percent. The Arab unemployment rate is 27 percent. Only 59 percent of Muslim men and only 19 percent of Muslim women are officially part of the workforce. That’s compared to 56 percent of Jewish women and 52 percent of Christian women.

The average Israeli family has double the monthly income of the average Arab family. Half the Arab sector officially lives in poverty. The Israeli Jewish GDP is nearly three times higher than the Arab-Israeli GDP.

This could be blamed on the usual scapegoat of racism, but the Israeli Arab GDP of $6,750 is actually better than the $5,900 GDP in neighboring Jordan, the $6,540 GDP in Egypt and the $5,041 GDP in Syria. This is the same range in which most non-oil Arab Muslim states are grouped and it is clear that there is no escaping it without a big petroleum reserve. Or like Lebanon with its $15,523 GDP, a whole lot of Christians to actually work for a living.

Again culture is the determinant. Israel within the Green Line only has about 150,000 Christians and about as many Druze, and both groups perform better economically. Christian Arabs have a higher employment rate and a better rate of higher education than Muslims.

Apart from that official 1.2 million, Israel is also responsible for the 4 million in the Palestinian Authority (some of whom overlap with that 1.2 million and some of whom are imaginary and exist only to collect benefits from international agencies) who are still Israel’s responsibility, according to them and to the world, even though they also continue insisting that they want their own state.

The reason why the GDP in Palestinian areas is so terrible is because its inhabitants live in a giant welfare state. Palestinian Arabs were already receiving 725 dollars in per capita assistance. They don’t need an economy because the United States and the European Union are their economy. They don’t need a state because the UNRWA is their state.

It’s easy to admire Israel for what it has accomplished, but it stands out so much because of the region it’s in. Singapore and Hong Kong are less remarkable because they are in a region where countries don’t just give up and wait around for foreigners to come and find oil on their land. In Asia, countries make things happen for themselves. In the Middle East, if you’re not Jewish or Christian and you don’t have oil, then you have economic problems.

But let’s leave the Middle East and head over to Asia. India and Pakistan are divided by a GDP Per Capita difference of almost a thousand dollars. India is naturally in the lead. Within India, Muslims are at the bottom of the economic ladder. Their per capita GDP is lower, their literacy rate is lower and they perform worse than Hindus. And yet the average Indian Muslim annual income at 513 dollars is still higher than the average annual income in Pakistan at 420 dollars. This remains consistent with the higher Arab-Israeli income and lower Jordanian Arab income model meaning that Muslims in non-Muslim countries will earn less than the majority, but more than they would in a majority Muslim country.

In Africa, Muslim Somalia sits next door to Ethiopia and Kenya and its GDP is so small it can’t even be registered compared to $1,093 and $1,746 for them. You might try to blame Somalia’s civil war, but Rwanda, which experienced a genocide, has a $1,341 GDP. Niger with an 80 percent Muslim population and a $771 GDP sits next door to Chad with only a 53 percent Muslim population and a $1,865 GDP. Next door Cameroon has a 70 percent Christian majority and a $2,257 GDP.

In Britain the myth of the hardworking Bangladeshi or Pakistani storekeeper is practically sacred. In reality 70 percent of Bangladeshis and Pakistanis live in low income households, compared to 50 percent of Africans, 30 percent of Indians and 20 percent of the natives. Bangladeshis and Pakistanis not only have dramatically higher unemployment rates than natives, but they have higher unemployment rates than Africans.

If the issue were racism, then their unemployment rates would be in line with far lower Indian unemployment rates. Instead Muslims have the worst economic record in the UK. Pakistani Muslims in the UK are three times more likely to be unemployed than Hindus. Indian Muslims are twice as likely to be unemployed as Indian Hindus.

Again this fits the same model of Muslims from non-Muslim countries being less economically inept than Muslims from majority Muslim countries. The crucial difference between minority Muslims and majority Muslims is culture. Minority Muslims do have their own culture, but no minority group can entirely escape the values of the majority culture. Arab Israelis and Indian Muslims absorb enough of the values of the majority culture to perform better than their neighbors in Jordan or Pakistan. And they even carry on these absorbed values when they move to another country.

We can see the direct consequences of those values in action. In the UK, Muslims have the highest dropout rate and lack of qualifications of any religion. They have the highest male and female unemployment rates. This isn’t racism, this is Islamism.

Muslims have the highest unemployment rate in Ireland. In Belgium, Moroccans and Turks have a five times higher unemployment rate of the native population. In Australia, Muslims have twice the unemployment rate of non-Muslims and forty percent of their children live below the poverty line. Muslims also have the highest unemployment rate in Canada, 14.4 percent to a national rate of 7.2 percent.

The response to all these numbers is the usual cry of racism, but racism fails to explain why Muslims fail more comprehensively at home than they do abroad. If Muslims fail in the West Bank, then Israeli checkpoints are to blame. If they fail in Canada, Australia and Europe, then racism is to blame. But if they fail in Pakistan, Somalia and Saudi Arabia– who is to blame?

Responsibility is the missing element. It’s the character value without which there can be no economic success. The same lack of responsibility that manifests itself after a Muslim terrorist attack, when Muslims rush to position themselves as the victims, rather than dealing with the violence in their midst, also manifests itself in the economic arena and in every aspect of life. This lack of responsibility is a failure of values that cannot be escaped or ascribed to racism, the occupation or the boogeyman.

http://frontpagemag.com/2012/daniel-greenfield/islams-universal-economic-failure/print/

[pr126]

Islam is a parasitic culture entity. It consumes everything, produces nothing.
In the last thousand years there was nothing of value to humanity that Islam has contributed.

The so called "Golden Age" that Muslims and their apologist harp on about happened in spite of Islam, and not because of it.

[ringmaster]

It's simple. A garbage toilet religion spawns a garbage toilet people.

That is not bigotry (as one Dhimmi in our forum would say). That is not "racism", as many apologists in need of a brain transplant would say.

To say the things the writer of the article said is not prejudice. It is not prejudice if it is factual, and what he said is most certainly factual.

[Nazzim ibn Abu Talib]

A muslim dominated world is just like a zombie infested world. Nothing is produced and the zombies invade more and more areas to consume up whatever is remaining. Muhammad himself set the mark as he did no work other than pillaging/raiding/invading.

[marduk]

Islam was designed to support itself and spread by constantly robbing others and making them convert. The Bible has many stories involving agriculture and fishing. Islam has none of that, because they never did that. No agriculture, no mining of minerals, nothing which is in any way productive. Their only industry was robbing, which they called "succour from Allah", and slave trading. Once the demand for slaves died out they had no real source of income other than stealing. God forbid they actually do some work and plant some crops. That's far beneath Muslims. Islam is a parasite on productive peoples. If they hadn't lucked into a bunch of oil they would all be destitute right now and begging America and Europe to feed them like the Palestinians and Pakistanis.

[Equestrian]

"If Romney accomplished nothing else during his Israeli visit, he did manage to offend every single Palestinian Arab terrorist group, all of whom, the Palestinian Authority, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, the PFLP and the DFLP, issued press releases denouncing him. American media outlets have been denouncing him for saying that the GDP Per Capita differences between Israel and the Palestinian Authority represent a contrast in values."

A good reason why Americans should reelect Obama "the annointed One". We can't have racist American presidents going around offending Islamic terrorists.

We should all join the Leftist media elite establishment in denouncing Romney for his rebuke of Islamic values.

[Auzer]

LOL on the comments and the article ....

Desperation at its best? People here and crazy Muslims in Islamic World are no different. The rationale is shut down by their hate. While the former's hate is directed towards Muslims , later's is directed towards the West.

So lets break it down may be? Region by region where significant populations of Muslims and non-Muslim reside together?...So let the game begin...

In South East-Asia ...

the major successful countries are Islamic nations...Malaysia and Indonesia...now don't pull out "Singapore" please. It is just too small to matter...Philipines , a big "Christian" nation , that also gets alot of aid from the US , is way behind than Indonesia ....even though Indonesia is just bunch of little Islands scattered in a small place...

So South East Asia -- Muslims are intellectually "Superior" than Christians there... (tick)

In Africa ...

North Africa (Muslim Majority) is doing WAY , WAY better than South/Central Africa (Christian Majority). Remember , not all of North Africa has oil..but yet , they surpass the oil rich Christian majority nations like Nigeria (well , a slight Christian majority...but majority!) ..

So Africa --- Muslims here are also intellectually "superior" than Christians...This also translates into better economic conditions...

In East Europe-Asia Minor region

Here again....The Muslim majority Turkey is the economic powerhouse while 'Christian-majority' nations like Greek etc are BROKE! "Muslim Majority" Turkey is the fastest growing economy of the Europe...A Europe which is going bankrupt as we speak! If it was not for Germany/France...Europe would've been exhausted long ago...

So here again...Muslims are vastly superior to their non-Muslim Christian counterparts..

Now these are the regions with significant Muslim and Non-Muslim populations...And it is clearly evident that Muslims outperforms Christians and hence Islam is superior to others...

Now-- I haven't counted in ALL Muslim regions like Middle-East/Central Asia etc..Here Muslims form overwhelming majority so comparison is hard and unfair...

Now West is economically successful. We all know that. Thanks to Industrialization etc.... AND Israel is also WEST! Israelis were EUROPEAN JEWS! Remember? So just because West is ahead...Muslims become some "incapable freaks" ? lol ...But now , it has been established that Muslims are inherently superior to non-Muslims ...See all the regions with significant Muslim and non-Muslim populations...and see the performance..I have already showed you


Now coming to the West... Even in America...American Muslims vastly outperform general American population. American Muslims are more educated and more prosperous than average Americans etc (Source : The Economist) ...... So what exactly do we conclude here?

In "equal" environments : Islam outperforms others globally..isn't it?


See how easy it is to blabber? You people are a joke.

Frontmag? LOL. Good going....

[Equestrian]

Azuer: "People here and crazy Muslims in Islamic World are no different. The rationale is shut down by their hate. While the former's hate is directed towards Muslims , later's is directed towards the West.

I refuse to believe that you are this stupid, Auzer. The differences between the people here and those "crazy Muslims" are glaringly obvious. Opposition to Islam does not prescribe the murder and subjugation of non-believers, Islam, as those crazy Muslims understand it, does.

It is your rationale that is stunted by your contempt for those who criticize Islam. You and your Leftist ilk fail to realize that opposing Islam does not entail hating Muslims. If you really believe that criticizing an ideology is equivalent to hating those who subscribe to it, then you have just indicted yourself as one who hates others. You are, after all, criticizing the "people here".

Your entire post is indictive of the sloppy demagoguery that permeates Leftist dialogue. Aggrieved by the criticism, you react by demonizing your opponents. But you see, demagoguery only persuades the lazy thinkers, arouses the impressionable, and is applauded by like-minded individuals. All of which you will be hard-pressed to find here.

[ringmaster]

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In "equal" environments : Islam outperforms others globally..isn't it?


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Simply not true:

(1) Muslims who have immigrated into Europe have not improved the lives of Europeans. They have made things worse. Things like rape stats and crime have sky-rocketed thanks to muslims. They clog the welfare rolls in disproportionate numbers.

(2) Since muslims have decided to essentially quarantine themselves in the Indian subcontinent by creating separate states of Pukeistan and Bangladesh (formerly East Pukeistan), the economic contrast between India and Pukeistan is there for all to see.

(3) Japan and China are the economic powerhouses in the far east...not Indonesia and Malaysia.

(4) Muslims intellectually superior? What a laugh. In Egypt, in spite of being in a very disadvantageous position economically (in terms of hiring practices, admissions to schools and such), Coptic Christians make up a hugely disproportionate number (disproportionate to their share of the population) of the educated professional classes. The same is true of Lebanese, Iraqi, and Jordanian Christians.

Auzer....your attempts to rationalize some sort of fictional islamic superiority are about as laughable as Mesmorial's attempts to find logic in the koran.

Islamic superiority? A billion muslims cannot subdue a few million Jews, and bitch boy allah can't change that.

[marduk]

Muslims are even failures at their favorite activity, terrorism. They got lucky with 9/11 because the US air transportation system was so ridiculously lax on security. Since then, the closest they got to a successful attack was groin bomb boy. He succeeded gloriously, inshallah, in terrorizing his scrotum.

They recently made a successful attack on an Israeli bus, but did it result in Israel announcing that it was dissolving its status as the Jewish State? Nope. All it succeeded in doing was reminding the world that Muslims really are all terrorists, just that most are too lazy and spineless to do what Muhammad commanded them to.

[Auzer]

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In "equal" environments : Islam outperforms others globally..isn't it?


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Simply not true:

(1) Muslims who have immigrated into Europe have not improved the lives of Europeans. They have made things worse. Things like rape stats and crime have sky-rocketed thanks to muslims. They clog the welfare rolls in disproportionate numbers.

(2) Since muslims have decided to essentially quarantine themselves in the Indian subcontinent by creating separate states of Pukeistan and Bangladesh (formerly East Pukeistan), the economic contrast between India and Pukeistan is there for all to see.

(3) Japan and China are the economic powerhouses in the far east...not Indonesia and Malaysia.

(4) Muslims intellectually superior? What a laugh. In Egypt, in spite of being in a very disadvantageous position economically (in terms of hiring practices, admissions to schools and such), Coptic Christians make up a hugely disproportionate number (disproportionate to their share of the population) of the educated professional classes. The same is true of Lebanese, Iraqi, and Jordanian Christians.

Auzer....your attempts to rationalize some sort of fictional islamic superiority are about as laughable as Mesmorial's attempts to find logic in the koran.

Islamic superiority? A billion muslims cannot subdue a few million Jews, and bitch boy allah can't change that.

You missed the whole point ... smh...

First : China and Japan are in "EAST-ASIA" and NOT in "SOUTH EAST-ASIA" ...So better learn geography may be?

I made ample smileys and also written explicitly ...but you didn't get it. So in simple words : My post was to show you guys how ridiculous YOU look when making the same comments...Islam is parasitic...Muslims are failures .blah blah....There is no "Christian Superiority" or "Islamic Superiority" bu.llshit..Its all "Western superiority" and "Asian Decline" --while Asia is rising again....

So your rhetoric is useless... Islam's global economic failure? Well 1.6 billion Muslims globally have a GDP of ~ $ 7 trillion or so (At nominal rates) and Oil money constitutes a very small part of this overall earning....While India with its 1.3 billion people has a economy of just $ 1.6 trillion or so etc..but YET..."Islam" is a failure and "India" is rising economic powerhouse WHAT A JOKE!

Plus : I have already gave you the details of regions where Muslims and "Non-Muslim" population resides in significant numbers .... We all know who outperforms who ...

And yes , Islamic Immigration to the Europe has caused problems...but Islamic Immigration to America is a great success story and Muslims are doing very well here.... what can be the reason? Education levels of immigrants? Opportunities and freedom provided in the new lands? We in America don't ban minarates of mosques or ban Burkas etc ( Though I agree with France on banning Burka....Hijab is alright...beautiful...but Burka? NOT ACCEPTABLE!) ...but still freedom is freedom...

[StrongLove]

And yes , Islamic Immigration to the Europe has caused problems...but Islamic Immigration to America is a great success story and Muslims are doing very well here.... what can be the reason? Education levels of immigrants? Opportunities and freedom provided in the new lands? We in America don't ban minarates of mosques or ban Burkas etc ( Though I agree with France on banning Burka....Hijab is alright...beautiful...but Burka? NOT ACCEPTABLE!) ...but still freedom is freedom...

The difference is that the Yankees will not put up with as much BS as the Europeans. The US is not "multicultural", it's a melting pot. The onus is on the immigrant to become American NOT for the society to conform to the immigrants expectations. Not to mention the muslim population is much smaller here in North America. %2. muslims are more quiet & peaceful in smaller groups.

[ringmaster]

In "equal" environments : Islam outperforms others globally..isn't it?


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You missed the whole point ... smh...

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No...You missed the point. I was merely addressing your point about muslims in "equal environments", wherever that environment may be.

The fact is that non-muslim minorities outperform muslims even in muslim-dominated societies such as the ones I mentioned. Christians in countries like Egypt, Lebanon, and Iraq clearly outperform muslims, and in those societies, muslims are really "much more than equal". The rules are really tilted in favor of muslims.

I mentioned China and Japan, not for geographic reasons, but to make the point that economic powerhouses are neither muslim, nor are they all ethnically Caucasian.

The contrast between India and Pukeistan is a very clear example of muslim failure in "equal environments".

As for muslims in the United States, most of those who immigrate there are already among the best educated from their original societies, and so have a leg up. The muslims that immigrate to North America are not really a representative cross section of the entire "umma". In situations where you can compare an entire cross section, muslims are miserable failures.

Europe does not have America's luxury of an ocean separating them from the islamic cesspools of the mental east and North Africa, and in every case in Europe, islamic immigration has been a huge detriment.

[Auzer]

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No...You missed the point. I was merely addressing your point about muslims in "equal environments", wherever that environment may be..

Whatever.... I already made my point...

The fact is that non-muslim minorities outperform muslims even in muslim-dominated societies such as the ones I mentioned. Christians in countries like Egypt, Lebanon, and Iraq clearly outperform muslims, and in those societies, muslims are really "much more than equal". The rules are really tilted in favor of muslims.

Yeah so you want to compare bunch of Christians to Muslims , but I compared "MILLIONS" vs "MILLIONS" in S.East Asia , Africa , Asia-Minor-East Europe etc etc... As national entities lying in SAME areas....Muslims outperform failures like Christians etc (People in those countries are Christians actually...they practice the faith..unlike in the West where no one gives a tiny sh!t about Christianity etc) .....

By the way , I would want to see some credible sources on your claims that Copts vastly outperform Muslims in Egypt... All I see in Egypt are Muslims... Top Politicians , Generals , Bureaucrats , Judges , Professionals etc are Muslims for the majority part...

So whats the source of your claims?

I mentioned China and Japan, not for geographic reasons, but to make the point that economic powerhouses are neither muslim, nor are they all ethnically Caucasian.

You are dumb.

Since you guys were going on about "Islamic Economic Failure" blah blah... I just picked some regions where Muslims and Non-Muslims reside..and compared the performance...It comes out as Muslims are the one's that actually outperform others..."Practicing Christian" nations are the worst failures..

The contrast between India and Pukeistan is a very clear example of muslim failure in "equal environments".

Well , Pakistan and India are in SAME league....whats your point? Their GDP per Capita , Urban-Rural divide , Standards of living , Inflation rate,poverty etc etc are ALL the same ... A slight difference can be possible...sometimes in favor of India while sometimes in favor of Pakistan...but overall...they both are developing nations of South Asia.... I don't know what you are talking about?

I hope you are not an indian who believes that his sh!thole country is some mega power etc? Lots of indian delusionals on the internet you know...

As for muslims in the United States, most of those who immigrate there are already among the best educated from their original societies, and so have a leg up. The muslims that immigrate to North America are not really a representative cross section of the entire "umma". In situations where you can compare an entire cross section, muslims are miserable failures.

Well I did compare the entire cross section (whatever it means) and it comes out that Christians are the miserable failures while Muslims outperform others...Awww did I break your bubble there? And By the way , you are mixing between Indians and Muslims....These are INDIANS who are best educated from their original societies..Top Indian IT experts are hired by our companies...Muslims are just like other immigrants...they make their life AFTER coming to the states....

BTW , new-generation of Muslims also outperform our youth...are they born "educated" ? I know your experience of life is very shallow. You probably never travelled in Muslim world...Ignorance is a bliss.

Europe does not have America's luxury of an ocean separating them from the islamic cesspools of the mental east and North Africa, and in every case in Europe, islamic immigration has been a huge detriment

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America is a great land of freedom....We aren't Europeans , nor we are scared of "minrates" of Mosques...lol

[StrongLove]

I wouldn't be so quick to boast about freedom & success of muslims in the US or here in Canada. One or two more terrorist attacks & all muslims here could be in grave danger.


There is a reason so many muslims immigrate to other countries & it's not because they have good economies. Perhaps Auzer came from an islamic country to the US. Why didn't you move to Turkey or one of the other islamic economic power houses you mentioned in your post?

Does being non-islamic country make a country rich. No. I believe the level of poverty in islamic states depends on HOW islamic the country is ( natural resources play a part). The more the religion is part of every day thinking, the more impaired the intellect becomes, the poorer the country is. It is an oppressive, retarding force on the human mind & spirit.

[ringmaster]

Whatever.... I already made my point...

You made no point at all.

Yeah so you want to compare bunch of Christians to Muslims , but I compared "MILLIONS" vs "MILLIONS" in S.East Asia , Africa , Asia-Minor-East Europe etc etc... As national entities lying in SAME areas....Muslims outperform failures like Christians etc (People in those countries are Christians actually...they practice the faith..unlike in the West where no one gives a tiny sh!t about Christianity etc) .....

I wasn’t exclusively comparing muslims to Christians, I was comparing muslims to non-muslims, some of which are Christian and some of which are not.

By the way , I would want to see some credible sources on your claims that Copts vastly outperform Muslims in Egypt... All I see in Egypt are Muslims... Top Politicians , Generals , Bureaucrats , Judges , Professionals etc are Muslims for the majority part...

Of course the political elite in Egypt are going to be muslims. They comprise more than 90% of the population. The fact is that Copts are systematically discriminated against in the job market and have to make it on their own. Compared to muslims, they do so, out of all proportion to their numbers.

You are dumb.

Anybody who thinks islam can be reformed is dumb.

Since you guys were going on about "Islamic Economic Failure" blah blah... I just picked some regions where Muslims and Non-Muslims reside..and compared the performance...It comes out as Muslims are the one's that actually outperform others..."Practicing Christian" nations are the worst failures..

Insignificant economy of the Arab World

"GDP in all the Arab countries stood at $531.2 billion in 1999- less than a single European country; Spain, ($595.5 billion)." (AHDR 2002: p 85)

http://www.globalcomplexity.org/AHDR.htm

So you can dream on in your blissful ignorance.

Well , Pakistan and India are in SAME league....whats your point? Their GDP per Capita , Urban-Rural divide , Standards of living , Inflation rate,poverty etc etc are ALL the same ... A slight difference can be possible...sometimes in favor of India while sometimes in favor of Pakistan...but overall...they both are developing nations of South Asia.... I don't know what you are talking about?

Simply not true.

This is from a source from within Pukeistan itself.

http://tribune.com.pk/story/13533/pakis ... ening-gap/

Here are some excerpts:

In 1947, Pakistan and India had roughly the same gross domestic product per capita, i.e. the average Pakistani was about as rich (or rather, as poor) as the average Indian. But with the end of British domination and the formation of a new country, this was an era of great ambition.

And……..

This scenario isn’t going to be a wake-up call to action. But — and here’s the kicker — although Pakistan will continue to be as poor and as miserable a place as it is now, our neighbour India is becoming a dramatically different place altogether. Last year the average Indian made about $3,500 annually. The average Pakistani, $2,000. Ten years ago the disparity was reversed. Ten years from now the average Indian will be twice as rich as the average Pakistani and this gap is only going to widen in the decades and years to come.

So my point stands. Pukeistan is not even in the same league as India.

Well I did compare the entire cross section (whatever it means) and it comes out that Christians are the miserable failures while Muslims outperform others...Awww did I break your bubble there?

No you did not. You tried to represent muslims in the States as being a representative cross section of the Umma. Nothing could be further from the truth. The muslims who immigrate to the States have to be well enough educated to qualify for immigration in the first place. Crossing the Mediterranean in a skiff is a different matter than crossing an ocean.

And By the way , you are mixing between Indians and Muslims....These are INDIANS who are best educated from their original societies..Top Indian IT experts are hired by our companies...Muslims are just like other immigrants...they make their life AFTER coming to the states....

Some Indian are muslims too, but the majority of those who were muslim at the time of India’s partition went to Pukeistan. My point is that they are same ethnic stock, but that nevertheless India has greatly outperformed Pukeistan.

The majority of Indians are Hindu. In addition to muslims, there are also Parsis, Christians, Sikhs, and even a few Jews. The latter all outperform muslims too. For example, the most productive agricultural state is the Indian Punjab (where most Sikhs live). Even though they were roughly equally productive at India’s partition, Sikhs greatly outperform the Pakistani agriculture in the Pakistani Punjab.

http://www.pakissan.com/english/issues/ ... ture.shtml

Note that the foregoing is also a Pakistani source.

According to the following source, the best educated and richest Indians are Hindus:

http://www.deeshaa.org/2008/02/26/relig ... in-the-us/

The very fact that India has so greatly outperformed s.hitholeistan, and Hindus make up the wealthiest people, it stands to reason that they outperform muslims within India too.

BTW , new-generation of Muslims also outperform our youth...are they born "educated" ? I know your experience of life is very shallow. You probably never travelled in Muslim world...Ignorance is a bliss.

Not a relevant stat. It is not a cross section of the umma. Educated parents tend to have more educated children, so it stands to reason that an educated immigrant group will have educated children too.

America is a great land of freedom....We aren't Europeans , nor we are scared of "minrates" of Mosques...lol

Now that is just a load of crap. Americans levy taxes on the basis of citizenship rather than residency. They are the only country on earth to do so. So to call America the land of the free is just bulls.hit. You are not even free to leave without still being taxed.

[Auzer]

Of course the political elite in Egypt are going to be muslims. They comprise more than 90% of the population. The fact is that Copts are systematically discriminated against in the job market and have to make it on their own. Compared to muslims, they do so, out of all proportion to their numbers.

You still didn't give me the sources of your claim that Christian minorities somehow outperform Muslims? Please cut on this crap. Your bubble has been burst...awww how does it feel that even at its WORST in history , Islam holds a GDP of ~ $7trillion (and growing)?

Anybody who thinks islam can be reformed is dumb.

Anyone who thinks that Islam can be "destroyed" is even dumber.

Insignificant economy of the Arab World

"GDP in all the Arab countries stood at $531.2 billion in 1999- less than a single European country; Spain, ($595.5 billion)." (AHDR 2002: p 85)

http://www.globalcomplexity.org/AHDR.htm

So you can dream on in your blissful ignorance.

Only one being ultra ignorant is you.

I aint discussing "Arab" thingy....I'm discussing the topic of "Global Islamic Economic Condition" ...
Secondly , today , Arabs have a combined GDP of ~ $ 3.8 trillion! Saudi Arabia ALONE has $400 billion in RESERVES...while whole Europe is going broke...You are giving me the stats of 13 years ago? Really? Buddy , at that time , China was NO WAY NEAR Europe...Today , Europe is no way near Chinese economic muscle...

According to your stats...Arab economy was even less than Spain....Today however....Arab economy is more than THREE-TIMES bigger than Spainish economy..and the gap is increasing only....

So again..fail.

By the way ...you never replied to THIS part of my post


Islam's global economic failure? Well 1.6 billion Muslims globally have a GDP of ~ $ 7 trillion or so (At nominal rates) and Oil money constitutes a very small part of this overall earning..(Source : IMF)..While India with its 1.3 billion people has a economy of just $ 1.6 trillion or so etc..but YET..."Islam" is a failure and "India" is rising economic powerhouse...why?

By the way Islamic Global Economy worth more than $ 10 trillion! , at purchasing power ....


So whats up buddy?

Simply not true.

This is from a source from within Pukeistan itself.

http://tribune.com.pk/story/13533/pakis ... ening-gap/

Did you take any economy class in your highschool in india? I don't need "sources" ...whatever that newspaper is...I retrieve my data directly from worldbank,IMF etc...

I have compared data like GDP per capita , Current Account Balance , Inflation rate , Unemployment rate , poverty , structure of economy (sector based) , Gender inequality etc etc ....BOTH countries are in a same ball-park!

Your sh!thole india is same as Pakistan....slight differences mean squat! Your posting of stupid links shows nothing.....

Tell me if you want "detailed" breakdown of both countries..I'll give you....decide it yourself..

So my point stands. Pukeistan is not even in the same league as India.

Your point stands? Yeah right.... Please see above and lets compare? Shall we?

I see , many of the posters here aren't even very well-read ....mmmmm

No you did not. You tried to represent muslims in the States as being a representative cross section of the Umma. Nothing could be further from the truth. The muslims who immigrate to the States have to be well enough educated to qualify for immigration in the first place. Crossing the Mediterranean in a skiff is a different matter than crossing an ocean.

No one is talking about American Muslims etc .... I compared WHOLE REGIONS ffs! I know your fantasy of non-existent "inherent incapable Muslims" has evaporated and now you have nothing to respond back!

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Some Indian are muslims too, but the majority of those who were muslim at the time of India’s partition went to Pukeistan.  My point is that they are same ethnic stock, but that nevertheless India has greatly outperformed Pukeistan. 

LOL! No buddy , no one "outperformed" anything! I already told you how....Overall...India is "performing better" right now vis-a-vis Pakistan...but to say that India has decisively "outperformed" Pakistan is fallacious! Right now , China is doing better than us...but has China outperformed the might U.S?!?! NOT IN HUNDRED YEARS!

Plus : Pakistanis and indians are NOT 'same ethnic stock' ..there is huge diversity!... Please read more books , and less internet blogs.

The very fact that India has so greatly outperformed s.hitholeistan, and Hindus make up the wealthiest people, it stands to reason that they outperform muslims within India too.

HAHAHAHAHA....Yes kid , so "greatly" outperformed but yet their GDP per capita , economy structure , poverty rate , inflation , unemployment , current account balance etc etc are pretty similar.... Yes , very "greatly" outperformed.....smh...

You didn't answer though? Are you an indian?

Now that is just a load of crap. Americans levy taxes on the basis of citizenship rather than residency. They are the only country on earth to do so. So to call America the land of the free is just bulls.hit. You are not even free to leave without still being taxed.

Explain may be?

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@ Auzer
The OPEC has earned $17 trillion USD since 1973 for the oil they sell to the world.

You wrote:

and Oil money constitutes a very small part of this overall earning.

So if the oil revenue (17 Trillion) is just a small part of the overall earning, where is the rest coming from?
What do they produce? What is their industry? What do they manufacture? What do they export? To whom? Where is the trade?

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@ Auzer
The OPEC has earned $17 trillion USD since 1973 for the oil they sell to the world.
So if the oil revenue (17 Trillion) is just a small part of the overall earning, where is the rest coming from?
What do they produce? What is their industry? What do they manufacture? What do they export? To whom? Where is the trade?

There are approximately whooping 55 etc Muslim Majority nations .. How can I know "what" they produce etc? These are completely different economies working in different environments etc ...For e.g ---> Some Arab countries (not all , but some) have oil wealth...so they do energy business... Indonesia and Malaysia doesn't have oil..but they have other stuff..Malaysia is pretty decent in technology products...Pakistan and Bangladesh have textile industries..Pakistan is also one of the largest producer of agricultural products like Wheat , Rice etc ...Turkey is the largest/one of the largest exporter of T.V to Europe...not to mention Turkish Construction Companies dominate world markets ....then you have Dubai..which is a tourist hub....then you have global Halal industry worth hundreds of billion dollars etc ...International Companies like Emirates , Turkish Airlines etc chip in too... Remember , oil money just went to few Arab countries...Overwhelming majority of Muslims never received any "oil money" etc ...

Islamic World is still way below her actual potential...but I don't buy the stupid argument that being Muslims makes you dumb etc or "Global Islamic failure on economy" bs!

As I already said ...if Islam is a failure economically...then what is india?

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Would you care to back up your claims with actual data? It would help.
And whilst in Malaysia, have a look at the Bumiputera system