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Gender equality against Islam, says Kerala Sunni leader

PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2015 9:51 am
by survivor
Gender equality against Islam, says Kerala Sunni leader.

http://indianexpress.com/article/india/ ... im-leader/

Prominent Sunni Muslim leader Kanthapuram Aboobacker Musliyar Saturday said gender equality was “against Islam”.
Addressing a Sunni students’ camp in Kozhikode, the orthodox Sunni leader said, “Where has man-woman equality taken place? It is not going to happen. Gender equality is against Islam, society and human kindness.”
“The world is controlled by men. Women have strength in other areas… They can deliver babies. Only women can nurture babies. Her duty is to rear children and feed the husband,’’ Musliyar said.
Claiming that women do not have “courage”, Musliyar asked if there is a woman doctor who can perform a major surgery.
“Women doctors can do general medicine or manage pediatrics. But they don’t have the courage for big surgical interventions,’’ he said.
Referring to a recent controversy over segregation of girls and boys in a Muslim-run college, the orthodox Muslim leader said the demand that girls and boys be allowed to sit together was meant to destroy Islam.
He said that the allegation of a Muslim woman journalist that children used to be sexually abused at madrasas was baseless, and added that those who raise the allegation should bring forth evidence.
Musliyar has a history of making controversial observations over women issues and their role in society.
He had recently come out against women reservation in local governing bodies. He had also advocated marriage of minor girls to ensure morality and discipline in society.

Re: Gender equality against Islam, says Kerala Sunni leader

PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2015 11:59 am
by manfred
"Allah's Apostle once said to a group of women : 'I have not seen any one more deficient in intelligence and religion than you. A cautious, sensible man could be led astray by some of you.' The women asked: 'O Allah's Apostle, what is deficient in our intelligence and religion?' He said: 'Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?' They replied in the affirmative. He said: 'This is the deficiency of your intelligence' ... 'Isn't it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?' The women replied in the affirmative. He said: 'This is the deficiency in your religion.'"


Sahih Bukhari 1 Hadith No. 301. See also vol. 3, Hadith No. 826.

So he is quite right, it is...

Re: Gender equality against Islam, says Kerala Sunni leader

PostPosted: Sat Jan 09, 2016 7:45 am
by Nosuperstition
manfred wrote:
"Allah's Apostle once said to a group of women : 'I have not seen any one more deficient in intelligence and religion than you. A cautious, sensible man could be led astray by some of you.' The women asked: 'O Allah's Apostle, what is deficient in our intelligence and religion?' He said: 'Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?' They replied in the affirmative. He said: 'This is the deficiency of your intelligence' ... 'Isn't it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?' The women replied in the affirmative. He said: 'This is the deficiency in your religion.'"


Sahih Bukhari 1 Hadith No. 301. See also vol. 3, Hadith No. 826.

So he is quite right, it is...


Well according to one Jewish person on this site,increase in iron content in blood and brain can make the brain function much more efficietly.Blood puddings eaten in some European countries might have made people of those countries extremely intelligent according to Fernando.During menstruation and childbirth,women experience a lot of blood loss.In addition,they are given less to eat if they are housewives as they do not supposedly need much energy to do household chores.Hence one might expect women in general to be less intelligent.However I have seen quite intelligent women during my studies.

http://anjanadesigns.blogspot.com/2014/12/chand-sultana-warrior-queen-of.html

This might be a corruption due to having kingdoms in the midst of Hindu kafirs amongst whom even female soldiers and warrior queens existed.But then it also shows that muslims too understand that women not undergoing childbirth and with sufficient replenishment of nutrients can behave intelligently in overseeing diplomatic correspondence and are allowed to wield tasks as tough as wielding a sword,words of Muhammad not regarding.

Re: Gender equality against Islam, says Kerala Sunni leader

PostPosted: Sat Jan 09, 2016 11:57 am
by Fernando
manfred wrote:
"The women asked: 'O Allah's Apostle, what is deficient in our intelligence and religion?' He said: 'Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?' They replied in the affirmative. He said: 'This is the deficiency of your intelligence' ... ''"
Such was the deficiency in Mo's reasoning that he indulged in circular arguments.
Way back then, so it's no wonder his modern apologists do the same thing.

Re: Gender equality against Islam, says Kerala Sunni leader

PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 2016 7:18 pm
by Amanalice
manfred wrote:..
So he is quite right, it is...


For such lunatic we have a saying in Indian mother tongue as "maro kam daudao jyada", means beat less but make them run a lot. :x

Re: Gender equality against Islam, says Kerala Sunni leader

PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 2016 8:20 pm
by manfred
Don't blame me... I actually believe that it is essential that women and men are treated equally. In some narrow areas that is not possible, as only women bear children, for example. Then provisions need to be made that these things do not interfer with equal opportunities.

I can't help what Muslims believe, I have no control over that at all. All I said was that his announcement is in line with Islamic teaching.

Re: Gender equality against Islam, says Kerala Sunni leader

PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 2016 8:28 pm
by Hombre
But here on youtube video he retracts his previous comments.


which is which?

Re: Gender equality against Islam, says Kerala Sunni leader

PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2016 6:46 am
by Nosuperstition
In fact I have seen in films widows being personally attacked by their antagonistic family members that with not much work,no love and too much time to think , their brains have become sharper.They do that when the widow replies tit for tat in a verbal dual and when the other party has nothing to refute her argument.

Shows that Hindus perfectly understood that just being a woman does not automatically render her unintelligent and that her intellectual capabilities increase when things such as enough time to think and brood over are available with her(things that are also available aplenty with the non-working classes).

I have also heard that even though many of the elite in India are light skinned due to natural human affinity for light skin,it is fact the dark skinned ones who are more clever as they think less of making love/self obsession with beauty etc and concentrate more on hard work and studies.

Perhaps that is the reason why the later Manusmriti verses ask a widow either to remain chaste for the rest of her life or to mount the pyre of Suttee. :D .An idle brain is the devil's workshop afterall. :wink:

Re: Gender equality against Islam, says Kerala Sunni leader

PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2016 10:08 am
by Nosuperstition
It is also in sync with what the holy book of most present day literate Hindus,the Bhagavad Gita has to say about the correlation between lust/making love and intellect.It is said in that text that just like smoke covers the fire,lust dampens or clouds the intellect of the mind.It then extols the virtues of celibacy amongst human beings.According to Chanakya or Chinko Kaur,Bhagavad Gita is brought to the fore by Brahmins post the rise of veggie and monastic Buddhism in the Mauryan Empire post 250 B.C and it did not have wide spread currency before.

However the Bhagavad Gita is just the essense of Upanishads composed around 600 to 400 B.C.Per both HPyroli and islam4all site,Vedas do not contain as much sublimation as the Upanishads.

Re: Gender equality against Islam, says Kerala Sunni leader

PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2016 10:46 pm
by Hombre
Musliyar asked if there is a woman doctor who can perform a major surgery.
“Women doctors can do general medicine or manage pediatrics. But they don’t have the courage for big surgical interventions,’’ he said.
Maybe not. But, given the chance, no doubt, they know exactly how "surgically" castrate his testicles.