AISYAH AGE WHEN MARRY

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Mohammad also had three male grandsons through his daughter Fatima's marriage with Ali. Most famous are Hassan and Hussein.

Hussein is the father of the Shia, Hassan is the father of the Sunnis, the other is not significant in a religious context.

with just three male grand children, look at all the people claiming to power because of a Family Tree, there is already enough division, but unlike Christianity, Islam is not that divided, two main sects. Sunnis and Shiats.

The Egyptian Copt's name is Mariyah, not Mariam. Are you reading Sources or the National Enquirer?

Only Allah knows.

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Multiple wrote:We have copious traditions relating Muhammad’s marriage proposal when Aisha was six or seven years old, as well as his consummation of that marriage when she was nine:

Aisha (may Allah be pleased with her) narrated that the Prophet (may the blessing and peace of Allah be upon him) married her when she was six years old, and he consummated her in marriage when she was nine years old. Then she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).[2]

Khadijah died three years before the Prophet (the blessing and peace of Allah be upon him) departed to Madina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consummated that marriage when she was nine years old.[3]

Urwa narrated: The Prophet (may the blessing and peace of Allah be upon him) wrote the (marriage contract) with Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years.[4]

Aisha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old.[5]

Aisha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) married her when she was seven years old, and she was taken to his house as a bride when she was nine, and her dolls were with her; and when he (the Holy Prophet) died she was eighteen years old.[6]

This is just a sample of the early Muslim traditions reporting Muhammad’s marriage to the young Aisha, but it is sufficient to show that she certainly wasn’t fifteen years old at the time of the consummation, as some Muslims claim.
already debunked with this verse :
QS. An-Nisa : 5 wrote:Image
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And do not give the weak-minded your property, which Allah has made a means of sustenance for you, but provide for them with it and clothe them and speak to them words of appropriate kindness.
"the weak-minded" ---> children, kids,

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MBenabdelkrim wrote:Mohammad also had three male grandsons through his daughter Fatima's marriage with Ali. Most famous are Hassan and Hussein.

Hussein is the father of the Shia, Hassan is the father of the Sunnis, the other is not significant in a religious context.

with just three male grand children, look at all the people claiming to power because of a Family Tree, there is already enough division, but unlike Christianity, Islam is not that divided, two main sects. Sunnis and Shiats.

The Egyptian Copt's name is Mariyah, not Mariam. Are you reading Sources or the National Enquirer?

Only Allah knows.
Hasan is not father of Sunnis. Sunnis dont follow the tradition of making Imama or Khalifa on basis of blood line. They follow sunna meaning tradition mostly mumbojumbo books like hadith, koran etc. :D
Historians dont agree upon what happned to Hasan's descendents. Hasan was not very active in Islamic politics. According to some sources he was also murdered by some factions .He lived life full of luxury. lots of women. :heh:

Sorry about your Mariyah. She was a copt christians and must have been nemed after mother Mary which is known as Mariyah or Mariam or Mariamma depending on which language faithfuls belong.. Who cares if that Mary was Jesus 's mom or Moses Mom. Allah knows best!! :*)

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Garudaman wrote: already debunked with this verse :
QS. An-Nisa : 5 wrote:Image
Sahih International
And do not give the weak-minded your property, which Allah has made a means of sustenance for you, but provide for them with it and clothe them and speak to them words of appropriate kindness.
"the weak-minded" ---> children, kids,
Mohammed had many different privileges average Muslim's did not. Who are you to claim Muhammed believed Aisha was weak minded?
~A God of mercy
Would never... inform His people war is simply a means of testing ones faith
Surah's:3:140, 3:142,3:166, 3:167, 9:16, 47:4

~.. shame compassion with the victims
Surah's:3:154, 8:17

~.. mock pacifism :
Surah's: 3:167, 47:20

~..disavow peaceful solutions:
Surah:3:156

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Ozes wrote:Mohammed had many different privileges average Muslim's did not. Who are you to claim Muhammed believed Aisha was weak minded?
you don't believe Aisha was weak minded when consummated = you believe those hadith (quoted by Multiple) is wrong, false, or distorted!

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I can't dismiss the validity of those hadith without dismissing the entire quran unless i want to be inconsistent.
And i believe Aisha was a mere child, all hadiths proof her to be. But its clear Muhammed had quite different ideas on what constitutes an adult. The growing of the pubic hair was Muhammed's main indication of adulthood, with females the start of the menstrual cycle. Hence he was kind enough not to penetrate her at 6, and waited till she was 9.
~A God of mercy
Would never... inform His people war is simply a means of testing ones faith
Surah's:3:140, 3:142,3:166, 3:167, 9:16, 47:4

~.. shame compassion with the victims
Surah's:3:154, 8:17

~.. mock pacifism :
Surah's: 3:167, 47:20

~..disavow peaceful solutions:
Surah:3:156

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great ..great Great .. Now with that wonderful defense of Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) sleeping with 9 year old little girl, all Muslim men who are a 50 to 80 year old men can go and marry/sleep with 9 year olds...

Now this is how you present tubes in FFI..


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yeezevee wrote:
great ..great Great .. Now with that wonderful defense of Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) sleeping with 9 year old little girl, all Muslim men who are a 50 to 80 year old men can go and marry/sleep with 9 year olds...

Now this is how you present tubes in FFI..

Thanks. And unfortunately this is not true about everyone.
my answer in somewhere else wrote: The funny thing is Aish (ra) thinks its the best thing to ever happen in her life. Of course she married the prophet of Allah swt. And because of that she became very knowledgeable about things of Islam and she gave advice to Muslims after the prophet's death. And not to mention, naturally if you are physically and mentally ready for marriage, why not marry? Is your arbitrary marriage age correct? Some may not develop mental capacity for marriage even in 20 years in today's societies.

Does magic happen the day you are 18? No, the natural way of knowing physical readiness is puberty, and the mentality can easily be understood by knowing her. But in today's world a guy who has cartoons and plays ps 3 is marrying women, is this guy able to take care of his wife? Is he an adult? No. He has a mentality of a kid. Today our mentality for marriage grows late, because we have too many other things to do.

Until recently the legal age in USA was age of 10. Now, you act like it never happened. It was practiced all over the world. Are you saying everyone is wrong? Your great great grand mother maybe a 9 year old bride. Obviously in modern societies children have this 'childhood' whereby they are children almost half of their lives, now it would not be as before in the past, they have to slowly let them get mentality of an young adult before consummating the marriage.

AND MORE....

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The truth about Aisha (ra) – Until recently the legal age even in the USA is 10 years. Tell me why when women, mentally and physically capable should not marry? In those days, the thing we called ‘childhood’ is not there, thereby their mentality grows faster and they become a young adult faster. And the natural indication for physical growth is puberty. Does you magically become an adult physically and mentally when you reach 18, just like flip of switch?

As you can see from the talks about Aisha (ra), it is the ignorant that talk nonsense and have sex with children not mentally and physically ready. Islam is not for the dumb, blind and deaf. If you can’t apply Islam properly in your life, don’t call yourself a Muslim.
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How refreshing, a Musilm defending their pedo false prophet instead of lying outright about him.

So you acknowledge that he was a pedo, you just saying because others have done it too that makes it okay, right?

We call that two wrongs don't make a right or Tu Quoque.

As to your point about Aeysha 'liking' it. Check out Stockholm Syndrome. Many children who are kidnapped at a young age and repeatedly raped(much like Muhammad did to Aeysha) end up sympathizing with their captors. Throw in the whole religious cult aspect and its not hard to see how Aeysha would turn out the way she did. I personally think she saw how easily Muhammad was able to manipulate gullible people and as they say learned from the master. Didn't she go on to form her own religious cult?

Look at yourself for example, you have been kidnapped and brainwashed by Islam and this is why you find yourself defending your pedophile prophet.

jm
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junkmaster wrote:How refreshing, a Musilm defending their pedo false prophet instead of lying outright about him.

So you acknowledge that he was a pedo, you just saying because others have done it too that makes it okay, right?

We call that two wrongs don't make a right or Tu Quoque.

As to your point about Aeysha 'liking' it. Check out Stockholm Syndrome. Many children who are kidnapped at a young age and repeatedly raped(much like Muhammad did to Aeysha) end up sympathizing with their captors. Throw in the whole religious cult aspect and its not hard to see how Aeysha would turn out the way she did. I personally think she saw how easily Muhammad was able to manipulate gullible people and as they say learned from the master. Didn't she go on to form her own religious cult?

Look at yourself for example, you have been kidnapped and brainwashed by Islam and this is why you find yourself defending your pedophile prophet.

jm

There isn't a cure for stupidity, and you are stupid. Did you even watch the video? And you still failed to realize that being a pedo is taking advantage of a person who is not ready MENTALLY and PHYSICALLY? Was Aisha (RA) mentally and physically ready? Yes she was, she was mentally and physically an adult. And the funny thing is, majority of sexual relationships with children in modern times are done by non-muslims by force. And there is hardly anyone above age of 12 who havent had sexual relationships within YOUR community while our community (Islamic) more than 70% are chaste.
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Islambyme wrote:Was Aisha (RA) mentally and physically ready? Yes she was, she was mentally and physically an adult.
The fact that you think a 9 year old can be "mentally and physically an adult" tells us a lot about your ability to delude yourself. It's actually rather frightening to watch.
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Islambyme wrote:
junkmaster wrote:How refreshing, a Musilm defending their pedo false prophet instead of lying outright about him.

So you acknowledge that he was a pedo, you just saying because others have done it too that makes it okay, right?

We call that two wrongs don't make a right or Tu Quoque.

As to your point about Aeysha 'liking' it. Check out Stockholm Syndrome. Many children who are kidnapped at a young age and repeatedly raped(much like Muhammad did to Aeysha) end up sympathizing with their captors. Throw in the whole religious cult aspect and its not hard to see how Aeysha would turn out the way she did. I personally think she saw how easily Muhammad was able to manipulate gullible people and as they say learned from the master. Didn't she go on to form her own religious cult?

Look at yourself for example, you have been kidnapped and brainwashed by Islam and this is why you find yourself defending your pedophile prophet.

jm

There isn't a cure for stupidity, and you are stupid.
Stupid is attacking the person rather than their arguments.
Islambyme wrote:Did you even watch the video? And you still failed to realize that being a pedo is taking advantage of a person who is not ready MENTALLY and PHYSICALLY? Was Aisha (RA) mentally and physically ready? Yes she was, she was mentally and physically an adult.
I disagree. I contend she was suffering from Stockholm Syndrome because she was brainwashed from an early age and even sexually molested when she was six by Muhammad who couldn't even wait until she was nine to molest and rape her.

Islambyme wrote: And the funny thing is, majority of sexual relationships with children in modern times are done by non-muslims by force. And there is hardly anyone above age of 12 who havent had sexual relationships within YOUR community while our community (Islamic) more than 70% are chaste.
The sad thing is that you think forced sexual relationships are funny. Can you back up these numbers up or are you just pulling them out your head much like Muhammad did with the Koran?


jm
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Spoiler! :
The 2004 John Jay Report commissioned by the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) was based on surveys completed by the Roman Catholic dioceses in the United States. The surveys filtered provided information from diocesan files on each priest accused of sexual abuse and on each of the priest's victims to the research team, in a format which did not disclose the names of the accused priests or the dioceses where they worked. The dioceses were encouraged to issue reports of their own based on the surveys that they had completed.

The 2004 John Jay Report[14] was based on a study of 10,667 allegations against 4,392 priests accused of engaging in sexual abuse of a minor between 1950 and 2002.

The report stated there were approximately 10,667 reported victims (younger than 18 years) of clergy sexual abuse during this period:

Around 81 percent of these victims were male.
22.6% were age 10 or younger, 51% were between the ages of 11 and 14, and 27% were between the ages to 15 to 17 years.[15][16][17]
A substantial number (almost 2000) of very young children were victimized by priests during this time period.
9,281 victim surveys had information about an investigation. In 6,696 (72%) cases, an investigation of the allegation was carried out. Of these, 4,570 (80%) were substantiated; 1,028 (18%) were unsubstantiated; 83 (1.5%) were found to be false. In 56 cases, priests were reported to deny the allegations.
More than 10 percent of these allegations were characterized as not substantiated. (This does not mean that the allegation was false; it means only that the diocese or order could not determine whether the alleged abuse actually took place.)
For approximately 20 percent of the allegations, the priest was deceased or inactive at the time of the receipt of the allegation and typically no investigation was conducted in these circumstances.
In 38.4% of allegations, the abuse is alleged to have occurred within a single year, in 21.8% the alleged abuse lasted more than a year but less than 2 years, in 28% between 2 and 4 years, in 10.2% between 5 and 9 years and, in under 1%, 10 or more years.

The 4,392 priests who were accused amount to approximately 4% of the 109,694 priests in active ministry during that time. Of these 4,392, approximately:

56 percent had one reported allegation against them; 27 percent had two or three allegations against them; nearly 14 percent had four to nine allegations against them; 3 percent (149 priests) had 10 or more allegations against them. These 149 priests were responsible for almost 3,000 victims, or 27 percent of the allegations.[15]
The allegations were substantiated for 1,872 priests and unsubstantiated for 824 priests. They were thought to be credible for 1,671 priests and not credible for 345 priests. 298 priests and deacons who had been completely exonerated are not included in the study.
50 percent were 35 years of age or younger at the time of the first instance of alleged abuse.[15]
Almost 70 percent were ordained before 1970.[15]
Fewer than 7 percent were reported to have themselves been victims of physical, sexual or emotional abuse as children. Although 19 percent had alcohol or substance abuse problems, only 9 percent were reported to have been using drugs or alcohol during the instances of abuse.[15]

Many of the reported acts of sexual abuse involved fondling or unspecified abuse. There was also a large number of allegations of forced acts of oral sex and intercourse. Detailed information on the nature of the abuse was not reported for 26.6% of the reported allegations. 27.3% of the allegations involved the cleric performing oral sex on the victim. 25.1% of the allegations involved penile penetration or attempted penetration.

Although there were reported acts of sexual abuse of minors in every year, the incidence of reported abuse increased by several orders of magnitude in the 1960s and 1970s. There was, for example, a more than sixfold increase in the number of reported acts of abuse of males aged 11 to 17 between the 1950s and the 1970s. After peaking in the 1970s, the number of incidents decreased through the 1980s and 1990s even more sharply than the incidence rate had increased in the 1960s and 1970s.
Spoiler! :
There are constant reports of priests being accused of this crime against children, (particularly boys) from decades ago. These abuse victims are now coming forward. People are not feeling the need to keep their story quiet any longer. If the church leaders knew about the abuse, it was hidden, many times moving the priest to another area.

There are also the new cases which are constantly being brought out into the open. More victims are seeking justice through the courts, and more abusers are being brought up on molestation charges.

The Catholic Church covering up sexual abuse is far from being the only one. There are many of them. Jehovah's Witnesses and Child Sex Abuse are a prime example. Court cases having been brought against them in the last decade for their coverups. It still goes on.


o these figures also are under reported, making guesswork come into play once again for the statistics.
The number of victims of childhood sexual abuse and molestation grows each year. This horrific crime is directly tied to the growth of pornography on the Internet. Studies conducted by the FBI have shown that pornography is extremely influential in the actions of sex offenders and serial murders. Further, statistics show that 90 percent of the predators who molest children have had some type of involvement with pornography. According to Charles Keating of Citizens for Decency Through Law, research reveals that 77% of child molesters of boys and 87% of child molesters of girls admitted imitating the sexual behavior they had seen in pornography they had watched. Roughly 33% of girls and 14% of boys are molested before the age of 18, according to the U.S. Justice Department. Nearly 2/3 of all sexual assaults reported involved minors and roughly 1/3 involved children under the age of 12. In most cases, however, child molestation goes unreported. Estimates are that only 35% of sexual abuse is reported. Kids can be frightened or embarrassed and many times do not say anything. - AND WE ALL KNOW WHO MAKES PORN LOL
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HAHAHAHHAHAHA,


http://www.news-press.com/article/20080 ... t-uncommon" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Although child sexual abuse is reported almost 90,000 times a year, the numbers of unreported abuse is far greater because the children are afraid to tell anyone what has happened, and the legal procedure for validating an episode is difficult (American Academy of Child & Adolescent Psychiatry, 2004).
It is estimated that 1 in 4 girls and 1 in 6 boys will have experienced an episode of sexual abuse while younger than 18 years. The numbers of boys affected may be falsely low because of reporting techniques (Botash, Ann, MD, Pediatric Annual, May, 1997).
Sixty-seven percent of all victims of sexual assault reported to law enforcement agencies were juveniles (under the age of 18); 34% of all victims were under age 12. One of every seven victims of sexual assault reported to law enforcement agencies were under 6. Forty percent of the offenders who victimized children under age 6 were juveniles (under the age of 18). (Bureau of Justice Statistics, 2000).
Most children are abused by someone they know and trust, although boys are more likely than girls to be abused outside of the family. A study in three states found 96% of reported rape survivors under age 12 knew the attacker. Four percent of the offenders were strangers, 20 percent were fathers, 16 percent were relatives and 50% were acquaintances or friends (Advocates for Youth, 1995).



The number of children getting raped is over millions- the solution? Let them be married and enjoy legal sex so they wont go have sex with weird men because they are curious - LOL --- you guys need a reality check..Islam protects children from being abused and giving them the freedom to have LEGAL and moral sex without having to go have sex in hiding, which happens now nomatter how much you try to deny LOL :roflmao: :rock: :tongueout: :whistling: :prop:
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You do realize there is much more incest in Muslim families then in Western families right?
And whats funny about sexual abuse?
~A God of mercy
Would never... inform His people war is simply a means of testing ones faith
Surah's:3:140, 3:142,3:166, 3:167, 9:16, 47:4

~.. shame compassion with the victims
Surah's:3:154, 8:17

~.. mock pacifism :
Surah's: 3:167, 47:20

~..disavow peaceful solutions:
Surah:3:156

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Islambyme wrote:The number of children getting raped is over millions- the solution? Let them be married and enjoy legal sex
There you have it ladies and gentlemen. This is the view of a Muslim. Nothing more really needs to be said.
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