Spirituality -A Garden of Wisdom: Jiddu Krishnamurti
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A Word on the First Part...
The first page of the former thread has many links, plus a resume of all 52 pages, AND a direct link to every five pages, for convenience. Food for though to enjoy! The thread started in the Holiday Forum, unavailable actually, and I did recover it in the 2004/2008 forum. The former thread has been unfittingly published in the Miscellaneous main and the topic is only distantly related to the God or Religion Mains.
So, I've decided to published it herein. I hope the folks will cross-over...
Best to summarize it, is my welcoming to IamThat in its last (p.52) page: High IamThat, welcome into the Garden, a most unusual thread at FFI forum focusing on spirituality and wisdom (as apart from any organized religion). Looking through its pages, you'll find topics covering the whole world of spirituality (enlightenment) like the obvious hyphen between the Christian Holy Spirit, the Judaic Shekinah, the Buddhist Bodhi (or Japanese Satori); the Zoroastrian Spenta Mainyu, the Hindu Paramatman (Vedic Agni) up to the yogist Kundalin.
Krishnamurti is only one author quoted here among many others, from Lao Tse to William Blake; Buddha & Confucius to H.D. Thoreau & R.W. Emerson; Thiruvalluvar to Vivekananda; from R. Maharishi to Kahlil Gibran, or Thomas Jefferson to Anthony de Mello; Plotinus up to the Dalai-Lama, etc. You're welcome to bring in whatever is related to wisdom and spirituality.
In May 2007, it had received 25,000 hits, more than doubling next October, although I didn't post much. It now has 59,919 entries and keeping on while frozen. Most of the time, I've been posting all alone, but the continuing affluence indicated me that it was alright just like that!
For a bridge, I'll reproduce something from Krishnamurti: On Being Religious (much longer, page 50):
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The religious mind does not function from a center of authority, whether it is accumulated knowledge as tradition, or it is experience, which is really the continuation of tradition, the continuation of conditioning. The religious spirit does not think in terms of time, the immediate results, the immediate reformation within the pattern of society. ...We said the religious mind is not a ritualistic mind; it does not belong to any church, to any group, to any pattern of thinking.
The religious mind is the mind that has entered into the unknown, and you cannot come to the unknown except by jumping; you cannot carefully calculate and enter the unknown. The religious mind is the real revolutionary mind, and the revolutionary mind is not a reaction to what has been. The religious mind is really explosive, creative; not in the accepted sense of the word creative, as in a poem, decoration, or building, as in architecture, music, poetry, and all the rest of it. It’s in a state of creation. (...)
--A man who believes in God can never find God. If you are open to reality, there can be no belief in reality. If you are open to the unknown, there can be no belief in it. After all, belief is a form of self-protection, and only a petty mind can believe in God. Look at the belief of the aviators during the war who said God was their companion as they were dropping bombs! So you believe in God when you kill, when you are exploiting people. You worship God and go on ruthlessly extorting money, supporting the army, yet you say you believe in mercy, compassion, kindliness.
As long as belief exists, there can never be the unknown; you cannot think about the unknown, thought cannot measure it. The mind is the product of the past, it is the result of yesterday, and can such a mind be open to the unknown? It can only project an image, but that projection is not real; so your god is not God: it is an image of your own making, an image of your own gratification.
There can be reality only when the mind understands the total process of itself and comes to an end. When the mind is completely empty -only then is it capable of receiving the unknown. The mind is not purged until it understands the content of relationship -its relationship- with property, with people until it has established the right relationship with everything.
Until it understands the whole process of conflict in relationship, the mind cannot be free. Only when the mind is wholly silent, completely inactive, not projecting, when it is not seeking and is utterly still only then that which is eternal and timeless comes into being.
As I've written to IamThat, page 52 (itself loaded, beginning with the Egyptian Ma'at 42 Principles):
Getting into the second part...HARMONY. Harmony is the Alpha & Omega of true spirituality, where opposites co-exist.
As such, nothing is more practical than the inner wisdom of its out bounding way by.