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Re: Coronavirus news

Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2020 12:12 pm
by manfred
To be honest to me the measures our government are introducing or considering are bordering on the Kafkaesque.

For example, there is talk of new lockdowns. and of forcing all people over 50 (!) to remain in doors, for an undetermined period. This all reminds me of the movie "Logan's run", a scifi classic where everybody lived in a controlled space, a "bubble city", was not allowed to leave and lived under strict government control. People over 30 were not allowed in the City and were euthanised. Everybody was taught to fear the "outside" greatly and avoid it all cost.

If people over 50, all of them, have to shield, how will the schools be staffed. due to open in September? Where do we get all those young teachers from to cover the lessons? What about consultants in hospitals? How many are young men or women?

The latest madness is a proposal to make it law to wear goggles. What next. tin foil hats? Galoshes?

Another odd idea is to close pubs again to prevent spread in schools. I have no idea how that works....

If you ask me, governments should legislate for the MINIMUM disruption possible to allow an acceptable risk. On top of that there should be advice on what people can do in addition to keep safe. and this should be up to the individual. The statistical risk of catching Covid in the UK is about half that of being in a car accident this year.
In other countries this varies but not by a lot.

So if we can accept a risk using a car or bike, we also need to look at what is an acceptable risk to take in an epidemic. I am 90 years old, so it I have to die from this it does not bother me. We all have to go some time. I would not want to give it to someone though.

Re: Coronavirus news

Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2020 1:13 pm
by Ariel
manfred wrote:
Tue Aug 04, 2020 12:12 pm

The latest madness is a proposal to make it law to wear goggles. What next. tin foil hats? Galoshes?
How about this?

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Re: Coronavirus news

Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2020 1:51 pm
by pr126
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Re: Coronavirus news

Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2020 2:11 pm
by pr126
Public Health Official Barbara Ferrer on the previous page looks like an exhumed corpse.

Maggie de Block suffers from anorexia or some other eating disorder.

And Hugo the Jong the shoe fetish. Where do you find them?

Re: Coronavirus news

Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2020 3:49 pm
by manfred
Maggie de Block suffers from anorexia or some other eating disorder.
I am not sure it is anorexia..... possibly lekkere taarten met slagroom

Re: Coronavirus news

Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2020 4:29 pm
by pr126
The anorexia comment was in jest.

She is what medically called morbidly obese.
Or as I say it, digging her grave with her teeth.

Re: Coronavirus news

Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2020 5:45 pm
by Ariel
manfred wrote:
Tue Aug 04, 2020 3:49 pm
Maggie de Block suffers from anorexia or some other eating disorder.
I am not sure it is anorexia..... possibly lekkere taarten met slagroom
She likes her food. That is true. In an article she admitted that she and her husband likes their food, and her husband says, Maggy is a great cook.

Did you know she is a medical doctor ?

Re: Coronavirus news

Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2020 6:47 pm
by manfred
A doctor? Excellent! I would love to have her as my doctor, she would never tell me to have a diet.

Re: Coronavirus news

Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2020 7:34 pm
by Ariel
manfred wrote:
Tue Aug 04, 2020 6:47 pm
A doctor? Excellent! I would love to have her as my doctor, she would never tell me to have a diet.
:nono1: Not quite true Manfred. She said the Belguim kids are too fat, and they need to eat healty ,exercise, and lose weight.

So I guess ,even you would not be safe.
Maggie De Block (Open Vld), Federal Minister for Public Health, has allocated five million euros a year for the reimbursement of a visit to a dietician for overweight children, she announced on Monday.

The children will be able to have ten consultations over the course of two years. With this measure, De Block wants to lower the threshold for overweight children and their parents to look for professional help as much as possible.

The numbers show that the percentage of overweight and obese boys went up from 11 to 15% between 2006 and 2014, and up from 8 to 11% for girls. An estimated 75,000 children aged 6 to 17 years old will be able to enjoy this, the minister said. The measure was approved by the RIZIV (National Institute for Health and Disability Insurance) insurance committee.

“Being overweight at a young age is often a sign for chronic obesity problems at a later age, which means a greater risk of cardiovascular disease and diabetes,” said De Block. “Scientific studies have shown that intervention in the diet of children leads to significant weight loss, and therefore a reduction of the risk.”

Re: Coronavirus news

Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2020 10:52 am
by Ariel
Barricades in Madrid, clashes in Barcelona, looting in Logrono as anti-lockdown protests grip Spain

Spain has been gripped by violence as anti-lockdown protesters clash with police in multiple cities, including Madrid and Barcelona, over the state and regional governments’ move to toughen Covid-19 restrictions.
Protesters torched garbage containers and erected makeshift barricades on Gran Via, and reportedly smashed several store fronts elsewhere in central Madrid on Saturday night.

When police moved in to clear the unruly gathering, they were pelted with stones and flares, and reportedly fired blank bullets, forcing the protesters to disperse into nearby streets.

Meanwhile in Barcelona, police officers were pelted with stones and other projectiles, as they tried to disperse a smaller-scale anti-lockdown protest for the second consecutive night.

The regional government of Catalonia approved a new package of measures this week, including the perimeter confinement of each municipality, limiting people to their own district on weekends.

Clashes also took place in the Spanish city of Logrono, where protesters burned trash containers, smashed windows and looted several shops.

Spanish Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez urged Spaniards in a Saturday night tweet to show patience and demonstrate “responsibility, unity and sacrifice” to defeat the global pandemic, while condemning the “violent and irrational behavior” by a “small minority” of the population.

Spain's parliament approved a six-month extension of the national state of emergency last week, granting regional authorities more power to tackle the country's second wave of Covid-19. This is Spain's third extension to the state of emergency during the pandemic and will be in force until May 9, but with an option for it to be lifted on March 9.

Under this new extension, regional governments have the power to control freedom of movement and curfew times without having to go through complicated fortnightly procedures in parliament. Since then, many regions have toughened their coronavirus measures, with nighttime curfews, lockdowns and travel restrictions.

Re: Coronavirus news

Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2020 5:32 pm
by Ariel
Oh, dear.... :ermm:
Halal Status of COVID-19 Vaccine Worries Muslims

JAKARTA, INDONESIA - In October, Indonesian diplomats and Muslim clerics stepped off a plane in China. While the diplomats were there to finalize deals to ensure millions of doses reached Indonesian citizens, the clerics had a much different concern: Whether the COVID-19 vaccine was permissible for use under Islamic law.

As companies race to develop a COVID-19 vaccine and countries scramble to secure doses, questions about the use of pork products — banned by some religious groups — has raised concerns about the possibility of disrupted immunization campaigns.

Pork-derived gelatin has been widely used as a stabilizer to ensure vaccines remain safe and effective during storage and transport. Some companies have worked for years to develop pork-free vaccines: Swiss pharmaceutical company Novartis has produced a pork-free meningitis vaccine, while Saudi- and Malaysia-based AJ Pharma is currently working on one of their own.

But demand, existing supply chains, cost and the shorter shelf life of vaccines not containing porcine gelatin means the ingredient is likely to continue to be used in a majority of vaccines for years, said Dr. Salman Waqar, general secretary of the British Islamic Medical Association.

Spokespeople for Pfizer, Moderna and AstraZeneca have said that pork products are not part of their COVID-19 vaccines. But limited supply and preexisting deals worth millions of dollars with other companies means that some countries with large Muslim populations, such as Indonesia, will receive vaccines that have not yet been certified to be gelatin-free.

This presents a dilemma for religious communities, including Orthodox Jews and Muslims, where the consumption of pork products is deemed religiously unclean, and how the ban is applied to medicine, he said.

"There's a difference of opinion amongst Islamic scholars as to whether you take something like pork gelatin and make it undergo a rigorous chemical transformation," Waqar said. "Is that still considered to be religiously impure for you to take?"

'Greater harm'

The majority consensus from past debates over pork gelatin use in vaccines is that it is permissible under Islamic law, as "greater harm" would occur if the vaccines weren't used, said Dr. Harunor Rashid, an associate professor at the University of Sydney.

There's a similar assessment by a broad consensus of religious leaders in the Orthodox Jewish community as well.

"According to the Jewish law, the prohibition on eating pork or using pork is only forbidden when it's a natural way of eating it," said Rabbi David Stav, chairman of Tzohar, a rabbinical organization in Israel.

If "it's injected into the body, not (eaten) through the mouth," then there is "no prohibition and no problem, especially when we are concerned about sicknesses," he said.

Yet there have been dissenting opinions on the issue — some with serious health consequences for Indonesia, which has the world's largest Muslim population, some 225 million of the world’s nearly 2 billion Muslims.

In 2018, the Indonesian Ulema Council, the Muslim clerical body that issues certifications that a product is halal, or permissible under Islamic law, decreed that the measles and rubella vaccines were "haram," or unlawful, because of the gelatin. Religious and community leaders began to urge parents to not allow their children to be vaccinated.

"Measles cases subsequently spiked, giving Indonesia the third-highest rate of measles in the world," said Rachel Howard, director of the health care market research group Research Partnership.

A decree was later issued by the Muslim clerical body saying it was permissible to receive the vaccine, but cultural taboos still led to continued low vaccination rates, Howard said.

"Our studies have found that some Muslims in Indonesia feel uncomfortable with accepting vaccinations containing these ingredients," even when the Muslim authority issues guidelines saying they are permitted, she said.

Vaccine hesitancy on the rise

Governments have taken steps to address the issue. In Malaysia, where the halal status of vaccines has been identified as the biggest issue among Muslim parents, stricter laws have been enacted so that parents must vaccinate their children or face fines and jail time. In Pakistan, where there has been waning vaccine confidence for religious and political reasons, parents have been jailed for refusing to vaccinate their children against polio.

But with rising vaccine hesitancy and misinformation spreading around the globe, including in religious communities, Rashid said community engagement is "absolutely necessary."

"It could be disastrous," if there is not strong community engagement from governments and health care workers, he said.

In Indonesia, the government has already said it will include the Muslim clerical body in the COVID-19 vaccine procurement and certification process.

"Public communication regarding the halal status, price, quality and distribution must be well-prepared," Indonesian President Joko Widodo said in October.

While they were in China in the fall, the Indonesian clerics inspected China's Sinovac Biotech facilities, and clinical trials involving some 1,620 volunteers are also underway in Indonesia for the company's vaccine. The government has announced several COVID-19 vaccine procurement deals with the company totaling millions of doses.

Sinovac Biotech, as well as Chinese companies Sinopharm and CanSino Biologics — which all have COVID-19 vaccines in late-stage clinical trials and deals selling millions of doses around the world — did not respond to Associated Press requests for ingredient information.

In China, none of the COVID-19 vaccines has been granted final market approval, but more than 1 million health care workers and others who have been deemed at high risk of infection have received vaccines under emergency use permission. The companies have yet to disclose how effective the vaccines are or possible side effects.

Pakistan is late-stage clinical trials of the CanSino Biologics vaccine. Bangladesh previously had an agreement with Sinovac Biotech to conduct clinical trials in the country, but the trials have been delayed due to a funding dispute. Both countries have some of the largest Muslim populations in the world.

While health care workers on the ground in Indonesia are still largely engaged in efforts to contain the virus as numbers continue to surge, Waqar said government efforts to reassure Indonesians will be key to a successful immunization campaign as COVID-19 vaccines are approved for use.

But, he said, companies producing the vaccines must also be part of such community outreach.

"The more they are transparent, the more they are open and honest about their product, the more likely it is that there are communities that have confidence in the product and will be able to have informed discussions about what it is they want to do," he said.

"Because, ultimately, it is the choice of individuals."

Re: Coronavirus news

Posted: Wed Dec 23, 2020 5:12 pm
by Ariel
How awful. Good luck England, and people, stay healthy .
Britain's coronavirus R rate is UP to 1.5 in London, 1.3 across the UK and RISING in all southern regions as super-infectious variant sweeps across the country
  • New variant hotspots London and the East of England have the fastest growing outbreaks, experts warn
    R rate is stable in Midlands, North East and North West, with large parts in Tier 3 since October
    London and most of South East are now in Tier 4, and lockdown is expected to expand later today
    It comes as a new, more infectious variant is becoming the dominant strain in South and spreading UK-wide

Re: Coronavirus news

Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2021 3:54 am
by antineoETC
Ariel wrote:How awful. Good luck England, and people, stay healthy .
How would you say they should go about doing that? Aren't most people going to stay more or less healthy even if they catch the virus? Shouldn't the virus therefore be allowed to rip because more people are dying of suicide, untreated cancer etc as a result of lockdowns and treating Covid patients over other sick people than they would if the virus were allowed to take its natural toll of the old, obese and other vulnerable groups? Isn't the solution to hospitals being overwhelmed by severely symptomatic Covid sufferers to keep those people away from hospitals and allow them to die at home (which would require guards at front doors to stop people desperately struggling to breath from leaving home and heading to A&E)? Is Covid even real or, even if it is, isn't it just an excuse for totalitarians to control peoples lives, make them wear masks and stop them flying on planes and having fun? What say you Ariel?

Re: Coronavirus news

Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2021 10:44 am
by Ariel
antineoETC wrote:
Sat Jan 09, 2021 3:54 am
Ariel wrote:How awful. Good luck England, and people, stay healthy .
How would you say they should go about doing that? Aren't most people going to stay more or less healthy . What say you Ariel?
What I say now is, that I find you extremely rude. What have I ever done to you that you dislike me so much.

You know what I mean antineoETC. You are not stupid . What I mean is, Don't get sick, take care , please stay healty.

And the next time when you address me, remember, I am not your sister, wife or daughter but an older lady from The Netherlands who wants to be treated with the same respect I always gave you.

I am angry now antineoETC.

And by the way, you don't know how I think of Covid 19. I have been a nurse , so I know the danger of this virus, and I warn my family often to take care, and listen to the experts, and not to the corona deniers .

Re: Coronavirus news

Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2021 1:35 pm
by antineoETC
Ariel wrote:What I say now is, that I find you extremely rude. What have I ever done to you that you dislike me so much.
Please forgive me if I gave you that impression. Please do believe me, I certainly don't dislike you.
You know what I mean antineoETC. You are not stupid . What I mean is, Don't get sick, take care , please stay healty.
I will of course continue to socially distance, wear my mask in shops etc and to avoid overly crowded situations where social distancing is not possible.
And the next time when you address me, remember, I am not your sister, wife or daughter but an older lady from The Netherlands who wants to be treated with the same respect I always gave you.
Again, my sincerest apologies if I came across as disrespectful or unduly familiar.
I am angry now antineoETC.
Sorry I unintentionally angered you with my words.
And by the way, you don't know how I think of Covid 19.
No I didn't. I do now.
I have been a nurse
I owe my life to nurses. My respect for you is even higher now than it was, if that is possible.
so I know the danger of this virus, and I warn my family often to take care, and listen to the experts, and not to the corona deniers .
Sorry, if my manner of questioning led you to think I assumed you to be among the Covid deniers. My post was in response to yours but my questions were rhetorical and not solely intended for your consideration. There are libertarians out there who do think we should adopt a totally laissez faire approach to the virus and do think measures to control the virus are an unwarranted infringement of individual freedom, including the freedom to run businesses, as well as an unacceptable burden on the economy. I was addressing these people more than I was addressing you.

Re: Coronavirus news

Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2021 4:06 pm
by Ariel
It is oke antineoETC. Sorry from me too.

I was a tiny bit, no , very annoyed when I answered your post.

As you perhaps don't know, I am also moderater at the Dutch forum, and there are 5 men who all believe that covid is a hoax, and they can't stop posting stupid anti corona articles , and articles from antivax sites.

It takes me hours to expose those articles.

You had to had to bear the brunt of my anger. Sorry. :oops: