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Yes, I read that too.... apparently he simply used an old computer model he designed for flu epidemics with a few modifications, and made horrifying predictions of perhaps more than a million dead in the UK alone. That, combined with pressure from the EU to do the same as other EU countries got us into the "lockdown". The hangover of this will be with us for a long time... higher taxes, higher unemployment, a recession....

Laughable, even after the lockdown, for some time, people could easily travel between the UK and the EU, even Italy, Spain, Belgium and France... So we really did not do this at all well.

It is also worth noting that every country records their statistics differently, so it is difficult to make comparisons... (Not to mention that some countries use "political" statistics... maybe even more than we think....)
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Indeed. It makes you wonder why the work of a once qualified scientist as Neil Neil Ferguson isn't regularly checked or revised by others or why his work isn't peer reviewed before iturned into a governmental policy that affects so many people. And as you said the data for his models are also politically biased.

It's obvious that the amount of talking heads in the public sector needs to be reduced drastically.
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This, believe it or not, is the Egyptian Minister of Health...

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Coptic Hala Zayed. It seems that the Egyptian government is quite secular.
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She is a Copt? Strange that... in Egypt Coptic women do not generally wear a head scarf, unless sometimes perhaps an elderly lady...
I posted this merely to show her face mask wearing skills....

As to Egypt being somewhat more secular, that is because of the 2011 revolution... the government does not have a lot of members with an Islamic agenda anymore, but there is also no initiative to reform...
The Constitution provides for freedom of belief and the practice of religion; however, the Government places restrictions on this right. According to the Constitution, Islam is the official state religion, and Shari'a is the primary source of legislation; religious practices that conflict with the official interpretation of Shari'a are prohibited. However, since the Government does not consider the practice of Christianity or Judaism to conflict with Shari'a, for the most part members of the non-Muslim minority worship without legal harassment and may maintain links with coreligionists in other countries. Members of other religions that are not recognized by the Government, such as the Bahá'í Faith, may experience personal and collective hardship.

An 1856 Ottoman decree still in force requires non-Muslims to obtain a presidential decree to build a place of worship. In addition Interior Ministry regulations issued in 1934 specify a set of 10 conditions that the Government must consider prior to issuance of a presidential decree permitting construction of a church. These conditions include the location of the proposed site, the religious composition of the surrounding community, and the proximity of other churches. The Ottoman decree also requires the President to approve permits for the repair of church facilities.
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She is a Copt? Strange that... in Egypt Coptic women do not generally wear a head scarf, unless sometimes perhaps an elderly lady...
I posted this merely to show her face mask wearing skills....
Yeah, my bad. Hala is a Coptic baby name. But this Hala is a devote muslim.
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manfred wrote: I posted this merely to show her face mask wearing skills....
Perhaps this dear lady does not want to infect other people, but does not mind if someone infects her ?

I found out there are more strange Ministers of Health.

Belgium: This is Maggie De Block

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This is Public Health Official Barbara Ferrer,

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From The Netherlands. Ex teacher Hugo de Jonge .The minister with the funny shoes.

No joke. He wears them all the time.

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Maggie De Block.... :lotpot:

She conforms EXACTLY to the English stereotype for a Belgian woman. (One rude people like me would say that in public though....) Block in name and in shape.

I wonder was she is saying....

Something about chocolate, perhaps?
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Do you remember Frans Timmermans? He is the architect of the "The European Green Deal" . Because of the carona virus, he told Europe we have to eat differently

I agree.

Frans Timmermans. The good life of Brussels.
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Goodness... I am 1.72m tall and weight 62 kg... And I think I am fat.....

And I read somewhere that bad taste is a symptom of Cororna Virus.. did Hugo de Jonge get a test yet?

BTW I read somewhere the Greens want a tax on meat... I can't remember if that was Holland or Germany....
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manfred wrote:Goodness... I am 1.72m tall and weight 62 kg... And I think I am fat.....
No, you have a perfect weight.
And I read somewhere that bad taste is a symptom of Cororna Virus.. did Hugo de Jonge get a test yet?
I don't know. But not many people in Holland are being tested. Not even staff in nursinghomes. That's why so many people in Holland have died in nursinghomes and care centers . My aunty also died in a care center of corona. It makes me angry.

But they are testing the staff now. A bit late, but al those older people who have died untested are not being counted as corona victims . That kept the number of casualties nice and low.
BTW I read somewhere the Greens want a tax on meat... I can't remember if that was Holland or Germany....
I guess that is in Germany. But in Holland they also want to change the VAT to 21% . It is still 9% though.

Germany: 'Meat tax' on the table to protect the climate
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I am so sorry to hear about your auntie. How awful.
The way nursing homes in Europe have been treated is disgusting. In Sweden, if a nursing home resident has the virus he or she is not even allowed hospital care.
In the UK, we had weeks of insufficient equipment to protect residents and staff. Most of the UK's dead are from care homes. It is as if once you reach a certain age, your life does not matter much any more, nor do the lives of those who care for you. For the first few weeks the residents who died in care homes where not even counted in the statistics... as if they were little more than animals.

To me this shows just how thin the veneer of "civilisation" really is.
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manfred wrote:
To me this shows just how thin the veneer of "civilisation" really is.
I know...In Holland there are people who compare older people with dry wood. They would die soon anyway. They say that that the economy is much more important than the death of some older people.

Jort Kelder, an influencer, and a columniste said , Are we going to offer our economy for the life of some fat people and senior citizens from 70 years and older...? :(

And many people in Holland who want to have there "freedom back" :huh: agreed like they stood before Pontius Pilate who asked "Who do you want to die...the senior citizens, or the economy . "
So they shouted "the senior citizens. Kill them, kill them. Safe the economy. We want our freedom back. We want to go to a pub or a restaurant. To the beach, to the cinema...Corona is not worse than a flu.

I know, I exaggerate, but it makes me sick at heart.
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It seems the UK civil service cannot do third grade maths....

This a a UK government official site...
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

They say that the number of new corona virus cases on the 20th May was 2472 and that the total is now 248293...

But the day before the total was 248818
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and many other sources

So despite of the recorded increase of 2472 the total actually DECREASED by 525....

And strangely not a single paper picked it up....

We are also the only country in the world that does not report the number of recovered cases, the current number of serious cases, or even just the active cases.
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Sweden’s COVID-19 death toll becomes highest in the world

Sweden had 6.08 deaths per million inhabitants per day between May 13 and May 20. This is the highest in the world, above the UK, Belgium and the US, which have 5.57, 4.28 and 4.11, respectively.

At this stage of the pandemic, the Scandinavian country has the highest mortality rate per capita, according to a Financial Times trackerwhich uses a seven-day rolling average of new deaths.

In recent weeks, as the death toll has fallen significantly in other European countries such as Spain, Italy, France and the UK, Sweden’s has remained stubbornly high.

As of Wednesday, 3,831 people had died from COVID-19 in Sweden – a country with a population of 10 million. Denmark, Finland and Norway – which each have about 5 million inhabitants – have recorded death tolls of 551, 301 and 233, respectively.

The FT tracker shows that Sweden had 6.4 deaths per million people 61 days after its death rate first climbed above 0.1 deaths per million. That contrasts with the UK’s 6.2 deaths per million at the same stage, Italy’s 5.5 and Spain’s 4.

Sweden’s no-lockdown approach to the virus has attracted international scrutiny and some criticism. However, Sara Byfors, a leading specialist at Sweden’s public health agency, said she was not aware of the tracker’s numbers.

“We are concerned about people dying from the disease. It’s not something we take lightly… We keep on working on our strategy,” Byfors said.

State epidemiologist Anders Tegnell, the spokesman for Sweden’s outlier coronavirus strategy, dismissed the figures, arguing that it was misleading to focus on the death toll over a single week.

He has also suggested a second wave of the virus could be milder in Sweden than in countries where lockdowns were imposed.

“I think the Swedish strategy has proven to be sustainable. We get figures now that people are actually increasing their adherence to our advice, not decreasing,” Tegnell said.

Although Sweden’s hospitals have reported strained conditions, they have not been overwhelmed.

At the Danderyd Hospital in Stockholm, Klara Bergmark, head of the intensive care unit, told reporters from AFP that staff may be tired, but they are preparing to work at a heightened level over the summer and potentially “the whole year“.
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Coronavirus funerals: Sri Lanka's Muslims decry forced cremation

Sri Lankan authorities are insisting on cremation for coronavirus victims - a practice forbidden by Islam. The nation's minority Muslim community says they are using the pandemic to discriminate, writes BBC Sinhala's Saroj Pathirana.

On 4 May, Fathima Rinoza, a 44-year-old mother of three from Sri Lanka's minority Muslim population, was admitted to hospital with a suspected case of Covid-19.

Fathima, who lived in the Sri Lankan capital, Colombo, had been suffering from respiratory problems and the authorities feared she had caught the virus.

On the day she was admitted to hospital, the family was "set upon" by the authorities, her husband Mohamed Shafeek said.

"The police and military along with officials arrived at our door," he said. "We were kicked out and they sprayed [disinfectant] everywhere. We were all scared but they didn't tell us anything. Even a three-month-old baby was tested and they took us like dogs to the quarantine centre."

The family was held for a night but released the next day and told to quarantine for two weeks, Mohamed said. By then, they had received news that Fathima had died, at the hospital, on her own.

Fathima's adult son was asked to go to the hospital to identify his mother's body. He was told that her body could not be returned to the family, he said, as her death was linked to Covid-19.

Instead he was forced to sign papers authorising her cremation, the family said - even though under Muslim law cremation is considered a violation of the human body.

"He was told that her body parts needed to be removed for further tests. Why would they need body parts if she had corona?" said his father Shafeek, who feels the family were not fully informed about what happened.

Fathima's family and others in Sri Lanka's Muslim community say the authorities are violating their rights by forcing them to cremate victims even though coronavirus victims can be buried.

They argue it's the latest step in a pattern of discrimination by the majority Sinhalese population. A petition against the cremation rule has been accepted by the country's Supreme Court, which will begin hearing the case on 13 July.

Many Muslims in Sri Lanka feel they have been demonised since April 2019, when Islamists linked to little-known local groups targeted high-end hotels and churches in Colombo and in the east of the country, killing more than 250 people in a spate of devastating attacks.

Since the death of the first Sri Lankan Muslim from coronavirus on 31 March, some media outlets have openly blamed the Muslim community for spreading the disease, even though only 11 deaths have been officially recorded in the country.

Rituals associated with burial in Islam are designed to give the body dignity in death
Dr Sugath Samaraweera, the government's chief epidemiologist, told the BBC it was government policy that all those who die from Covid-19, as well as those suspected of dying from it, are cremated, as burials could contaminate ground drinking water.

Dr Samaraweera said the government was following expert medical advice, and applying the rule to anyone suspected of dying from coronavirus, regardless of religion.

"The WHO offers guidelines for the whole world. It is our responsibility to adopt or customise those guidelines suitable to our country," he said.

But Muslim activists, community leaders and politicians have asked the Sri Lankan government to reconsider the decision.

Ali Zahir Moulana, a former minister and senior leader of the Sri Lanka Muslim Congress party, said the Muslim community was prepared to accept the rule "if there is evidence or scientific backing to prove that burial is dangerous to public health". But he questioned the science behind it, and accused the government of pursuing a "dark political agenda".

Interim guidance published by the WHO in March says victims of coronavirus "can be buried or cremated", and does not mention dangers to groundwater.

On the same day that Fathima died, 64-year-old Abdul Hameed Mohamed Rafaideen passed away at his sister's house in Colombo. The labourer and father of four had been suffering from breathing difficulties.

His youngest son, Naushad Rafaideen, told the BBC that a neighbour from the majority Sinhala community died the same day.

Because of lockdown travelling restrictions, local police asked the family to take the body of the neighbour, together with their father's body, to the hospital.

At the mortuary, the doctor told Naushad he was not allowed to touch his father's body because of the risks of Covid-19, even though it wasn't clear whether the virus was the cause of death.

He said he wasn't sure what would happen to him if he didn't sign, but he feared a backlash against his family and community if he refused. He said the Sinhalese family was treated differently, and allowed to pay respects to their relative at a funeral parlour, though the BBC could not independently verify this. Only Naushad and a handful of relatives were allowed to attend the cremation of his father, he said.

Meanwhile, nearly six weeks after the death of his wife, Shafeek is unsure whether she ever tested positive for coronavirus, and he is struggling to come to terms with not being able to bury her body. One thing he was sure of, he said. "We Muslims do not cremate our dead."
  • They argue it's the latest step in a pattern of discrimination by the majority Sinhalese population. A petition against the cremation rule has been accepted by the country's Supreme Court, which will begin hearing the case on 13 July.


To my humble opinion those cremation rules have nothing to do with discrimination.
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'Trust me, you wouldn't eat it!' Muslim housing commission resident trapped in Melbourne's misery towers complains the food she's given for free isn't halal

A Muslim woman locked up in one of Melbourne's nine public housing towers says she wasn't able to eat the food delivered to her door as she didn't know if it was halal.

TikTok user Dekaspammmm has shared a series of videos detailing her experience of being confined to her unit while Melbourne battles a second wave of coronavirus infections.
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'On the first day we received some bread and this thing,' she said in the footage, alongside a picture of the meal.
'Trust me you wouldn't eat it if you could afford your own food.
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Volunteers scramble to organise food and personal hygiene supplies at the Australian Muslim Social Services Agency in North Melbourne
'I'm Muslim, I have a diet. I can't eat any food that's not halal. How am I supposed to know what's gone into that?'

'And even if it was halal, I don't think I'd eat that honestly, especially when I can afford my own food.'

The nine public housing towers in North Melbourne and Flemington were put into immediate lockdown on Saturday afternoon.

Three thousand people will remain in hard lockdown until all residents are tested for COVID-19 and the results are evaluated.

The tower's lockdown order is for 14 days, but Premier Daniel Andrews hoped to end it in five.

However the residents will also have to endure the newly announced six-week, stage three lockdown with the rest of the city.

The TikTok user said Australians interested in supporting residents stuck in the towers could donate to the local mosque, the Australian Muslim Social Services Agency (AMSSA).

On Tuesday night AMSSA shared Instagram stories as they prepared to deliver supplies to one of the towers.

'After being denied so many times we finally fought to get the food into 12 Holland Court, Flemington,' one video was captioned.

'So glad the residents can have something to eat tonight.'

AMSSA said they were holding off on supplies donations from Wednesday.

'We've stopped taking in new donations due to space capacity,' they wrote on Facebook.

'Thank you very much for your support.'

Dekaspammmm said it was 'unacceptable' she was not allowed to buy her own groceries while confined to her high-rise building.

Mr Andrews said on Wednesday there were 75 COVID-19 cases in total at the nine public housing towers.

Victoria recorded 134 new cases on Wednesday.
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Muslims are allowed to eat non halal food if it is an emergency. Or starve.
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Hong Kong scientist Dr. Li-Meng Yan believes the Chinese government knew about the novel coronavirus well before it claimed it did.
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Question is, was it a deliberate act of infecting people?
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