Page 1 of 1

smoking the pot same as having a glass of strong drink?

PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2017 11:10 am
by Nosuperstition
I have read somewhere that smoking a pot and having a strong alcoholic beverage both have the same delirious effects on the mind?If so why is one thing legal and the other illegal.Is it just the case that one addiction results in many more medical complications than the other?

Re: smoking the pot same as having a glass of strong drink?

PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2017 12:06 pm
by Fernando
It's a mixture of causes, NS. First there's puritanism, which would ban both booze and pot. Then there's ignorance - sometimes willful - of the nature of pot. Thirdly it's raw politics, where politicians see the word "drug" and play to the media and equate pot with cocaine and heroin. As an example of the latter, the UK government sacked its former "drugs czar" Dr. Nutt for saying that pot (amongs some other drugs) wasn't as dangerous as they claim. On the other hand, the Daily Mail's Peter Hitchens regularly blames cannabis for just about every criminal act taking place in the UK. One of the worst example of political ignorance and histeria combined is when politicians say - as they have done - that cannabis must be dangerous because it's illegal.

The facts are very different. The USA tried prohibition of alcohol and massively increased crime. Much of the drugs market is run by criminal gangs, often with even more disastrous results than would come from the drugs alone when they get their recipes wrong. Cannabis - especially if not smoked - is not particularly dangerous: certainly not as dangerous as smoking or excessive drinking. There are also claims that stronger pot has been bred by gangs for commercial reasons; some claim that this doesn't matter because people will use less but Hitchens certainly disagrees. On the other hand, there does seem to be new research suggesting that excessive or long-term cannabis use does cause psychiatric problems - but current political attitudes, both pro and con, probably pre-date this information.
As for medial marijuana, one purified form is legal in the UK but somehow just happens to be priced so expensively that almost all health authorities refuse to pay for it!

All in all, the best solution is probably one of least-harm: legalise but regulate and be ready for a small number of people being seriously affected. But that's probably a pipe-dream!

Re: smoking the pot same as having a glass of strong drink?

PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2017 12:49 pm
by Nosuperstition
On the other hand, there does seem to be new research suggesting that excessive or long-term cannabis use does cause psychiatric problems - but current political attitudes, both pro and con, probably pre-date this information.


So in exactly how many years does each one of drinking a strong beverage,smoking a not so harmless pot and smoking cigarette bring down a human being who eats meat once a week?
And what should be the frequency with which the above can be tried per week?

Re: smoking the pot same as having a glass of strong drink?

PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2017 4:51 pm
by manfred
NS, much depends on quantities. Smoking a lot of pot in the end makes you unable to work properly or to keep a job. A little here and there, once in a blue moon, is I think a different story. I once took the car to a garage for new brake pads. The owner is a very jolly and laid back Jamaican guy, who does smoke a lot of pot.... he forgot to put on all the wheel nuts on one of the the wheels, he put only one, and not even tight. So when I drove off, some distance down the street, the wheel came off, and I crashed the car, quite badly. This accident could have killed someone. I made him fix it and never went back.

If you occasionally drink a glass of wine with your meal, it is actually quite healthy. But when your life starts revolving around drink then that is decidedly unhealthy.

Sadly, if you become an addict, there is little point talking about moderation. An alcoholic has to stop drinking altogether as he is incapable to merely have a little glass now and then.

I would say on the whole smoking a "joint" has a very much stronger effects than a glass of with or a glass of beer, but as I do not smoke that stuff I only go on what I heard and saw.

Re: smoking the pot same as having a glass of strong drink?

PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2017 5:54 pm
by Fernando
manfred wrote:Sadly, if you become an addict, there is little point talking about moderation. An alcoholic has to stop drinking altogether as he is incapable to merely have a little glass now and then.
As Father Ted found to his cost!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3nM4hyIcFQ

Re: smoking the pot same as having a glass of strong drink?

PostPosted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 1:47 pm
by Nosuperstition
Now the chief minister of one province of India named Bihar imposed ban on sales of liquor in his state and said that people should instead consume milk and develop their brains.But the chief minister of my province in India named remnant Andhra Pradesh when questioned about total prohibition on liquor said that if you ban it at one go,drunkards will become mad.Is that true?

Now also I have come to know that those who suffer mental illnesses such as obsessive compulsive disorder,depression etc,have reduced inflow of harmones such as serotonin and dopamine in their brain.So does that mean that those who do not get sufficient amounts of these hormones in their brains due to consumption of tasty foods,alcohol,getting fervently involved in prayer and/or meditation,consumption of coffee,tea,drugs,smoking pot etc. might gradually be affected with the above mental disorders?

Re: smoking the pot same as having a glass of strong drink?

PostPosted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 2:28 pm
by Fernando
I don't think many drunkards would go mad, only the very worst cases get delerium tremens or see pink elephants when their booze is stopped. However, criminals would get very rich and powerful supplying them with their tipple, as happened in the USA.

Re: smoking the pot same as having a glass of strong drink?

PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2017 2:29 am
by Nosuperstition
Fernando wrote:I don't think many drunkards would go mad, only the very worst cases get delerium tremens or see pink elephants when their booze is stopped. However, criminals would get very rich and powerful supplying them with their tipple, as happened in the USA.


I have seen in the Pat Robertson show in the God T.V that homosexuals form less than 1%/0.1% of the population,yet are allowed to practice their leanings.Perhaps they intend to say that the individual benefits of a few can be sacrificed for the greater good of the society in general.Perhaps the greater good here is lesser medical expenses incurred by the government on S.T.Ds.So going by the same lines,a govt might lessen its incurred expenses on the health hazards of a greater number of people consuming alcohol by banning it or sacrificing a few alcoholics to delerium tremens by imposing a blanket ban on booze.

Re: smoking the pot same as having a glass of strong drink?

PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2017 11:00 am
by Fernando
I wouldn't for a minute advocate drinking to the point of alcoholism but AFAIK - in the UK at least - the taxes on alcohol more than pay for the extra NHS costs.

Re: smoking the pot same as having a glass of strong drink?

PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 2:26 pm
by Nosuperstition
Fernando wrote:I wouldn't for a minute advocate drinking to the point of alcoholism but AFAIK - in the UK at least - the taxes on alcohol more than pay for the extra NHS costs.


How does one draw the fine line between an alcoholic and a non-alcoholic?What is the hard and fast criterion?

Re: smoking the pot same as having a glass of strong drink?

PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 3:27 pm
by manfred
Yes. If you drink more than your doctor you are an alcoholic.

Re: smoking the pot same as having a glass of strong drink?

PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2017 9:25 am
by Nosuperstition
Now eating tasty food doesn't seem to put one in as much of an exhilarating spirit or give him as much pleasure as drinking alcohol.So can one safely conclude that the levels of pleasure harmones released by the brain in such cases is quite less as compared with alcohol or drugs?Some people drink to the full and also demand free housing from the govts both state and federal in India by hook or crook.I do not understand them believing in you want to have the cake and eat it too theme.

Re: smoking the pot same as having a glass of strong drink?

PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2017 10:03 am
by manfred
The vast majority of people can use alcohol sensibly. A little glass of red wine a day is actually good for you, it helps to prevent the clogging of arteries, for example and reduces the risk of heart disease.


However, some people cannot deal with alcohol responsibly. Banning it is a poor answer, as whenever that has been tried before, people simply find ways round it. All you need is water sugar and yeast at its most basic to make alcohol yourself in the privacy of your home. A ban will result in criminals getting rich.

When people develop problems with alcohol, there is a point when they simply loose control. They do not know how to stop. They are aware they harm themselves and others around them, but like a drug addict, it does not even matter to them.


That is way an addiction to alcohol can be an illness. Sure, you could argue it is self-inflicted, but you can also say about type 2 diabetes, about sporting injuries, about obesity and much more. At the end of the day a sick person is sick, and needs help. And irrespectively of deserving help, he should get it.

The notion that public assistance should be only given to "deserving people" is a 19th century notion. Today we accept that help should be given according to need.

Re: smoking the pot same as having a glass of strong drink?

PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2017 11:36 am
by Nosuperstition
The thing is in olden days,the educated class in India were either Jains or Buddhists both of whom are against intoxicants like alcohol and drugs.However vast majority of uneducated masses did not bother about such strictures.They ate meat,yet they were not adept in wielding the sword deftly on the battlefield in battles with muslims possibly because of the weakening of their muscles due to alcohol consumption.So might be Hindus might not have had to live for more or less 700 years in North and Central India and for around 200 years in the South had they not consumed alcohol.Love for the pleasure given by alcohol resulted in the slavery for Hindus for many centuries.So it must be discouraged on the basis that those that seek housing should stay fit by restraining themselves from alcohol and to some extent from sweets.

Re: smoking the pot same as having a glass of strong drink?

PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2017 2:23 pm
by Nosuperstition
Drunkardness increases the revenue for the exchequers of both the state and federal governments however it is worth noting that massive numbers of Hindu women went off to middle east as slaves during Islamic invasions.The reason is not that difficult to fathom.The drukards snatch whatever money their wives earn by means of back bending hard work and rough them up after getting drunk.So no wonder those women had no feeling of being firmly attached to their husbands.

Re: smoking the pot same as having a glass of strong drink?

PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2017 2:09 pm
by Nosuperstition
http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=17448&p=231552&hilit=shaman#p231552

My father used to purchase lottery tickets believing that the sister of Shiva would help him get fortune which manifest in the form of winning of a lottery.Now when lotteries were banned in my state citing the deterioration it will cause to the health of the economy of a poor family,he brought them from the neighbouring state through his friend until they were banned even there.So I do not understand as to why lotteries are banned as they create false hopes amongst many and bankrupt them while drink is allowed a free ride even though it too causes the same effect in many people.

If the parents buy their kids iron and fat rich diet such as nuts,ghee etc instead of buying a drink for themselves,the prospects of their kids scoring brightly in academics increases many a fold.

Re: smoking the pot same as having a glass of strong drink?

PostPosted: Sat Sep 23, 2017 10:24 am
by Fernando
Nosuperstition wrote:Love for the pleasure given by alcohol resulted in the slavery for Hindus for many centuries.So it must be discouraged on the basis that those that seek housing should stay fit by restraining themselves from alcohol and to some extent from sweets.
Difficult to prove cause and effect here, NS. What about the beer-swilling Vikings and their toadstool-powered berserkers?
How about the Spartans - was it asceticism or prolonged military training that made them what they were? Perhaps Manfred might know?

Re: smoking the pot same as having a glass of strong drink?

PostPosted: Sat Sep 23, 2017 10:31 am
by Fernando
Nosuperstition wrote:If the parents buy their kids iron and fat rich diet such as nuts,ghee etc instead of buying a drink for themselves,the prospects of their kids scoring brightly in academics increases many a fold.
Undoubtedly correct, if gambling is taken to excess. There are measures to limit both alcohol and gambling but neither can be wholy effective. Ultimately, people can make their own alcohol and people have been known to bet on flies crawling up a window pane. Personally, I enjoy a little drink, which has obvious physical effects, but couldn't bear to bet even a small sum, secure in the knowledge that I would be almost certain to lose it. Drinking glass half full, begging bowl half empty!