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What if US is No Longer Able to "Support" Israel?

Postby Garudaman » Sun Dec 16, 2012 2:12 pm

we know if Israel gets funding from US : http://ifamericansknew.org/stats/cost_of_israel.html

but we know that now the US dollar is not as strong as in the past, and in addition yesterday the US president seems to imply...
http://www.businessinsider.com/obama-is ... deo-2012-9
Asked whether he feels pressured by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to take action on Iran, Obama said that he agrees with Israel's insistence that Iran not be allowed to obtain a nuclear weapon.
But, he continued, "when it comes to our national security decisions — any pressure that I feel is simply to do what's right for the American people. And I am going to block out — any noise that's out there."

...if he would do anything for the sake of the US people, including sacrificing Israel (if needed)! :D

so the question is, if US no longer "supports" Israel, would Israel still persist? :*)
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Re: What if US is No Longer Able to "Support" Israel?

Postby ygalg » Sun Dec 16, 2012 2:24 pm

time will tell
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Re: What if US is No Longer Able to "Support" Israel?

Postby Auzer » Sun Dec 16, 2012 4:37 pm

Israel will be annihilated by the combine Arab military power. Simple as that. (But this won't happen since U.S will always support Israel)
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Re: What if US is No Longer Able to "Support" Israel?

Postby ygalg » Sun Dec 16, 2012 5:05 pm

Auzer wrote:Israel will be annihilated by the combine Arab military power. Simple as that. (But this won't happen since U.S will always support Israel)

your preferred scenario?
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Re: What if US is No Longer Able to "Support" Israel?

Postby Yohan » Sun Dec 16, 2012 7:37 pm

Auzer wrote:Israel will be annihilated by the combine Arab military power. Simple as that. (But this won't happen since U.S will always support Israel)

Only after Mecca and Medina are annihilated, and kept radioctive for 10,000 years.
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Re: What if US is No Longer Able to "Support" Israel?

Postby Auzer » Mon Dec 17, 2012 12:47 pm

ygalg wrote:
Auzer wrote:Israel will be annihilated by the combine Arab military power. Simple as that. (But this won't happen since U.S will always support Israel)

your preferred scenario?


I'm an ardent supporter of two-state solution based upon 1967 borders.

Plus : I found your comment as bit offensive. Do you think I am anti-semitic or would want to see the blood of innocent jews? seriously man?!?! :sly:

Yohan wrote:
Auzer wrote:Israel will be annihilated by the combine Arab military power. Simple as that. (But this won't happen since U.S will always support Israel)

Only after Mecca and Medina are annihilated, and kept radioctive for 10,000 years.


Most likey....
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Re: What if US is No Longer Able to "Support" Israel?

Postby sum » Mon Dec 17, 2012 5:38 pm

Hello Auzer

Do you believe in the right of conquest?

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Re: What if US is No Longer Able to "Support" Israel?

Postby Auzer » Mon Dec 17, 2012 6:00 pm

sum wrote:Hello Auzer

Do you believe in the right of conquest?

sum


What do you mean? There is no *right* of conquest. Bigger powers smash smaller one's...simple
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Re: What if US is No Longer Able to "Support" Israel?

Postby ygalg » Mon Dec 17, 2012 8:24 pm

Auzer wrote:I'm an ardent supporter of two-state solution based upon 1967 borders.

no longer plausible scenario.

Plus : I found your comment as bit offensive. Do you think I am anti-semitic or would want to see the blood of innocent jews? seriously man?!?! :sly:

you favor US continues support of israel?
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Re: What if US is No Longer Able to "Support" Israel?

Postby Auzer » Tue Dec 18, 2012 4:20 am

ygalg wrote:no longer plausible scenario.


Baloney. It is still the most plausible scenario.

you favor US continues support of israel?



Upto a certain level , yes. As long as we are moving towards any long term solution (which doesn't seem the case as of now)
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Re: What if US is No Longer Able to "Support" Israel?

Postby sum » Tue Dec 18, 2012 9:41 pm

Hello Auzer

You say that there is no right of conquest. How far back in time does this apply? If it stands for all time then the lands that Islam conquered should be returned to their original populations and the original culture re-instated. However, this is not now possible, is it? Islam has destroyed the original culture and religion and damaged the brains of the people by installing the Islamic dogma. Their brains are genuinely damaged and a mutant strain of humanity created. An indoctrinated muslim is nolonger the same as the rest of the human race.

It is no fault of the present day muslims as each generation indoctrinates the following generation, destroying their critical thinking. Muslims are truly programmed and can not think outside this programme. It matters not one jot what evidence, facts or morality are presented to the muslims as their indoctrination will not permit the details to reach the higher centres of the brain where critical thinking occurs. "Fear Allah". Fear overrules rational thought and this is the masterstroke of Muhammad and the following Muhammadans. If enough fear is installed in the indoctrination process then critical thinking is prevented by fear. Muslim minds are circumcised and unable to realise what is wrong and unacceptable. True muslims have become a form of human malignancy and support a psychopathic doctrine that is programmed to be aggressive and violent towards all others until Islam dominates everywhere.

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Re: What if US is No Longer Able to "Support" Israel?

Postby Nosuperstition » Sun Dec 30, 2012 7:49 am

Auzer wrote:
sum wrote:Hello Auzer

Do you believe in the right of conquest?

sum


What do you mean? There is no *right* of conquest. Bigger powers smash smaller one's...simple

The Hindu ideas of government were based on a theory called the matsya nyaya, literally meaning the “law of fish”.

The term matsya nyaya can be more appropriately rendered into English by the expression the “law of the jungle.”—“Why should there be governments in the world at all?” “Why should there be some men to rule over other men?” “Why should there be laws which men were required to obey on pain of punishment?” The Hindu thinkers answered these questions by pinpointing a fundamental law of nature: “The Matsya Nyaya,” the law whereby the small fish becomes the prey of the big fish. Government, rulers and laws are necessary to prevent this natural law from operating in human society. Remove the government, remove the rulers and remove the laws, and human society will degenerate into a state of anarchy in which the stronger will destroy the weak. “If there is no rule of law,” says the Manu Samhita, “the strong would devour the weak like fishes.” “If there is no ruler to wield punishment on earth” says the Mahabharata, “the strong would devour the weak like fishes in water. It is related that in the days of old people were ruined through sovereignlessness, devouring one another like the stronger fish preying upon the feebler.”

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matsya=fish nyaya=justice or law

Then you are no more human,but fish believing in 'might is right'.
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Re: What if US is No Longer Able to "Support" Israel?

Postby Nosuperstition » Tue Feb 12, 2013 2:24 pm

Yohan wrote:Destroying or desecrating the enemy's places of worship was pretty common in ancient and medieval warfare. It was a humiliation tactic used by the conquerors upon the conquered. It almost always happened only during the times of war. Here are some famous examples:
- Persians burning the Parthenon in Athens
- Persians burning Babylonian temples
- Greeks burning Persian temples in Persepolis
- Babylonians burning the Jewish temple in Jerusalem
- Romans desecrating temples of the conquered by installing their gods in their temples. It was quarrels over this that led to the Roman destruction of the Jewish state.

When the conquering hostile frenzy died down, the conquerors usually compensated for the damages, but not always. Conquering Muslims did similar things in India. Later Muslim rulers made endowments to support Hindu temples too. By the times the British arrived as conquerors, the world had begun to change, and such tactics were mostly abandoned
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viewtopic.php?f=27&t=9544&p=148610&hilit=Persians#p148610

Yohan wrote:
Auzer wrote:Israel will be annihilated by the combine Arab military power. Simple as that. (But this won't happen since U.S will always support Israel)

Only after Mecca and Medina are annihilated, and kept radioctive for 10,000 years.


viewtopic.php?f=55&t=14421&p=191851&hilit=Mecca#p191851

Inferring from what you said,such tactics seem not have ceased but have only been made conditional.
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Re: What if US is No Longer Able to "Support" Israel?

Postby Nosuperstition » Wed Feb 13, 2013 4:22 am

I fear sooner or later, some Muslim terrorist will get hold of a nuclear bomb and destroy some western city. The retaliation will be swift and terrible. World War IV will be hot like World War II and not like the Cold War (WW3). Islam is not going to implode from within like Communism.

This false ideology will ultimately be defeated when the west retailates for the destruction of their city or cities. They will most likely destroy Mecca to demonstrate that Islam is false. Unlike in the year of the elephant, there won't be any birds dropping hardened clay on Islam's enemies
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http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewt ... ght=#11243

Somewhere else ohmyrus said that since myth of birds protecting Mecca is widely circulated amongst muslims and the belief amongst muslims that Mecca will be protected by God at all costs is very strong,once Mecca is gone,it will shatter the beliefs of millions of muslims.

THHuxley on the other hand said that should a nuclear attack happen on any of U.S cities,Saudi Arabia will resemble a sheet of glass and Pakistan will resemble the moon which is lifeless.

So the idea of attacking holy sites has not ceased in the minds of many.
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Re: What if US is No Longer Able to "Support" Israel?

Postby Nosuperstition » Wed Mar 06, 2013 2:52 pm

Yohan wrote:
Auzer wrote:Israel will be annihilated by the combine Arab military power. Simple as that. (But this won't happen since U.S will always support Israel)

Only after Mecca and Medina are annihilated, and kept radioctive for 10,000 years.


Yohan wrote:If jews are not willing to settle with Palestinians honorably, jews will be kicked out of there, no matter how formidable Israel looks. If you are in doubt, just read history, not just of the region but elsewhere too.


viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4296&hilit=need+Aryan&start=320

So Yohan believes that Jews will be kicked out of Palestine if they do not settle issues amicably with Palestinians but not before Mecca and Medina are gone too.
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Re: What if US is No Longer Able to "Support" Israel?

Postby sum » Wed Mar 06, 2013 8:38 pm

Peace with a muslim nation that will secure your nationhood against Islam is an oxymoron.

For the muslims to declare that they will never be aggressive in any form whatsoever against a non-Islamic country would be in direct contradiction of the Koran and Muhammad. All muslims are to fight until all religion is for Allah. There is no possibility of the muslims rejecting this directive from the Koran and ahadith.

Peace talks are no more than an exercise in futility and a complete waste of time.

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