Who is the WINNER?

[Brain]

In recent Gaza war, hamas is claiming their victory while Israel is claiming that they "Achived" their objective of destroying hamas.
So who is the winner?

[diotima64]

Am very sad to say this, but I do NOT think, Hamas is in any way, shape or form "destroyed". Nothing was achieved, unfortunately - just many people killed. At the most, Hamas will be a bit quieter for a while, until they recover the lost ammo...

Hamas, however, was adamant in its attention to re-arm. "Do whatever you want. Manufacturing the holy weapons is our mission and we know how to acquire weapons," Abu Ubaida, a spokesman for Hamas's armed wing, told a news conference Monday.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/wor ... 33,00.html

[ygalg]

hamas achieved victory. they survived. that was their goal.
soldiers were sacrificed for nothing and southern residents will continue to suffer.
furthermore the Islamic nations became acquainted to the power they reached. they able to make every western leader to implement their demands.
I feel we are witnessing, the soon downfall of the advance civilization in favor of Islamic insanity.

also they learn how to twist the public opinion it is amazing. pallywood upgraded.
today I saw a report in the news that says, that hamas booby-trapped every facility. every house. including mosques etc. it can be seen in IDF youtube. and it wasn't meant just for killng IDF soldiers. killng IDF soldiers in during, it's a bonus.

[Learning]

I voted Israel as winner because the rockets have stopped (hasn't it?)
Hamas will think 10 times before it launches rockets again.

Cheers

[Brendalee]

Sorry I cannot answer the poll. I think it is not so cut and dried.

The Israeli actions have certainly bought a period of much needed relief for Israeli citizens within rocket reach. Surely the capability of Hamas has been greatly reduced.

But non-Muslims have been betrayed all over the world with vast swathes of the media unquestioningly adopting the Palestinian propaganda which has so shamelessly taken the place of actual "News"

One would think it would be obvious to EVERYBODY! The BBC, for example, reported the "war" almost exclusively by parading dead and injured CHILDREN in front of the camera. I think I might have seen ONE adult male with a bloody head. No, we just were given images of dead/injured KIDS; the occasional shot of a grieving Palestinian parent; and shots of Israeli soldiers. So we get on one side: Dead/bleeding kids, grieving parents, mass scenes of distruction.On the other: Israeli soldiers. One would think that the war was between children and adult male Israeli soldiers. We certainly were not told much of anything about Hamas soldiers. For the most part, the only "combatants" that got media attention were the Israeli soldiers. In fact, they were pretty much the only ADULTS covered at all.

No conflict in history has been covered in such a blatant propagandist way.

And, just as so much of the media unquestioningly published Hamas propaganda, even down to acceptance of the casualty figures fed to them, so also the aid agencies and human rights oranisations have primarily been perveyors of Hamas propaganda - from inside their own organisations to outside of them.

[Pragmatist]

Sorry I cannot answer the poll. I think it is not so cut and dried.

The Israeli actions have certainly bought a period of much needed relief for Israeli citizens within rocket reach. Surely the capability of Hamas has been greatly reduced.

But non-Muslims have been betrayed all over the world with vast swathes of the media unquestioningly adopting the Palestinian propaganda which has so shamelessly taken the place of actual "News"

One would think it would be obvious to EVERYBODY! The BBC, for example, reported the "war" almost exclusively by parading dead and injured CHILDREN in front of the camera. I think I might have seen ONE adult male with a bloody head. No, we just were given images of dead/injured KIDS; the occasional shot of a grieving Palestinian parent; and shots of Israeli soldiers. So we get on one side: Dead/bleeding kids, grieving parents, mass scenes of distruction.On the other: Israeli soldiers. One would think that the war was between children and adult male Israeli soldiers. We certainly were not told much of anything about Hamas soldiers. For the most part, the only "combatants" that got media attention were the Israeli soldiers. In fact, they were pretty much the only ADULTS covered at all.

No conflict in history has been covered in such a blatant propagandist way.

And, just as so much of the media unquestioningly published Hamas propaganda, even down to acceptance of the casualty figures fed to them, so also the aid agencies and human rights oranisations have primarily been perveyors of Hamas propaganda - from inside their own organisations to outside of them.

How absolutely true with their Obama worship and anti Israeli bias the MSM is an utter disgrace. For example the Indian security service killed two Muslim Terrorists today Delhi and found arms ammunition and grenades in their vehicle along with their Pakistani passports. Al BBC said two "Militants" had been killed and not one mention of Islam or Terrorists at all in their whole coverage.

[AlexmenCorn]

Taylor St. Claire for President....who would wanna **** around then? Shed have the world by its balls