250 Sons of Guns

[iffo]

Ram You have trouble understanding very simple thing. I will not repeat again. Not allowing the construction of a temple or church qualify as descrimination but not as insulting someone's prophet or god.

iffo, it is you who has the trouble understanding. But, let me ask you this, are you admitting that discrimination is okay but criticizing or insulting the Prophet is not akay? It is a fact that the discrimination against non-Muslims is lawful in Muslim countries.

But our laws are different, insulting religions and Prophets is legal but discrimination is illegal. Muslims have no right to complain till they stop discriminating against non-Muslims. Show some respect, then we can show some respect.

You hearing things that I never said. I never said descrimination is OK, that's why I said there is room for improvement.
I was saying, Insulting and descriminsation are two different things, you are old enough to understand this simple thing.

[Ram]

iffo, this is how Muslims terrorize non-Muslims. This is the history of Islam and Muslims since the beginning of Islam.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzZnzgXfyQY" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Malaysians used to be very peaceful people. Look what Islam has done to them! Throwing cow's head in a Hindu temple is an ultimate insult to Hinduism. Did the Hindus go on killing and burning spree? People in the West may insult Muhammad but they do not terrorize Muslims of throw pig's head in a mosque. Which is worse?

[iffo]

iffo, this is how Muslims terrorize non-Muslims. This is the history of Islam and Muslims since the beginning of Islam.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzZnzgXfyQY" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Malaysians used to be very peaceful people. Look what Islam has done to them!

Few hundred crazy guys don't represent 1.5 billion muslims. Other failed attempt to generalize things.

[Ram]

Few hundred crazy guys don't represent 1.5 billion muslims. Other failed attempt to generalize things.

I wish you were right. But the fact is that this is the thinking of 90% of Muslims. Few hundred "crazy" guys, as you put it, are supported and encouraged by the majority of Malaysian clerics and politicians. In Muslim countries, these types of actions are organized by religious organizations, and you can be sure that they have the approval of politicians - nothing happens without the support of imams and mullahs.

[iffo]

Few hundred crazy guys don't represent 1.5 billion muslims. Other failed attempt to generalize things.

I wish you were right. But the fact is that this is the thinking of 90% of Muslims. Few hundred "crazy" guys, as you put it, are supported and encouraged by the majority of Malaysian clerics and politicians. In Muslim countries, these types of actions are organized by religious organizations, and you can be sure that they have the approval of politicians - nothing happens without the support of imams and mullahs.

No Ram not 90% muslims, there are few hundred muslim bastards doing that in the video. You know very well you are bullshiting.

Ram you need to a have muslims in your life to loose that you hate you have inside for muslims.

[Ram]

One more example of how Muslims insult Hindu deities.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25zh8i9_VAM" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64r-zg1ifGY" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Hindus did not riot because their deities were insulted. M.F. Husein dare not paint comparable picture of Aisha, yet he feels free to paint pornographic pictures of Hindu deities.

[Ram]

No Ram not 90% muslims, there are few hundred muslim bastards doing that in the video. You know very well you are bullshiting.

Ram you need to a have muslims in your life to loose that you hate you have inside for muslims.

Muslim in my life? iffo, I grew up around Muslims. I speak, read and write Sindhi and Urdu. I know how Muslims think. My father was fluent in Pushto, Panjabi, Sindhi and Urdu. iffo, like all Muslims either you are in denial or you are lying. Where my family lived, Muslims were in majority.

Muslims react extremely violently even at the most innocent of remarks if they did not like what you said or they DID NOT LIKE YOU. Majority of Muslims, not only, will not protect you but they will join in to harass you. No Muslim will take the side of a Hindu even if he knew that the Hindu was completely innocent. Muslim's reason would be, "A Muslim could never do that, so the Hindu must be guilty." I have heard Muslims say, "A Muslim never lies, so he could not have done whatever he is accused of."

[iffo]

No Ram not 90% muslims, there are few hundred muslim bastards doing that in the video. You know very well you are bullshiting.

Ram you need to a have muslims in your life to loose that you hate you have inside for muslims.

Muslim in my life? iffo, I grew up around Muslims. I speak, read and write Sindhi and Urdu. I know how Muslims think. My father was fluent in Pushto, Panjabi, Sindhi and Urdu. iffo, like all Muslims either you are in denial or you are lying. Where my family lived, Muslims were in majority.

Muslims react extremely violently even at the most innocent of remarks if they did not like what you said or they DID NOT LIKE YOU. Majority of Muslims, not only, will not protect you but they will join in to harass you. No Muslim will take the side of a Hindu even if he knew that the Hindu was completely innocent. Muslim's reason would be, "A Muslim could never do that, so the Hindu must be guilty." I have heard Muslims say, "A Muslim never lies, so he could not have done whatever he is accused of."

Swami I always take side of the person who is right, no matter if it is muslim or jew or hindu. I love hindus. I love hindus so much that I will be more than happy to be part of your family. Lala will you accept me as your son-in-law?

On a serious note I know some muslim leaders who when ruled India did looting and rapping, If you bring them to me know, I will chew their balls right in front of you and spit it out in ganges river. I hate those bastards so much even though they were muslims, see I am a man of principles. To me Rupali's life and respect is just as precious as Shazia's life.

[bobs1244]

Swami I always take side of the person who is right, no matter if it is muslim or jew or hindu. I love hindus. I love hindus so much that I will be more than happy to be part of your family. Lala will you accept me as your son-in-law?

Obviously, you dont mean that. But if a muslim likes Hindus then he becomes more compassionate and more loving than Allah who loves to fry Hindus in hell for eternity. But then, to muslims, Allah is the most compassionate. Therefore, it's logically impossible for a muslim to like Hindus. If he does, then he is essentially disproving Islam and the Quran.

On a serious note I know some muslim leaders who when ruled India did looting and rapping, If you bring them to me know, I will chew their balls right in front of you and spit it out in ganges river. I hate those bastards so much.

Yes, their balls need to be chewed. But the problem is that muslims will simply not accept that. You can only post your ballsy nonsense here, my dear friend. You wont dare to post the same in an Islamic forum or say this in front of a group of muslims. This is the soul of the entire problem. If there were muslims that were causing problems and non-muslims were allowed to deal with it, then there would have been much of a problem. But the moment a muslim figure is criticized, there are protests everywhere and riots and blocking of streets and what not!

Muslims have become incapable of looking at truth objectively. Tell me iffo, do you think Mohammad Bin Qasim was a hero? He is definitely one of those that did a lot of looting and murdering. But then, he is clearly hailed as a great, pious man and a superhero by the whole of Pakistan. How do you account for this?

Look at what the muslims are saying about Afghanistan and the Talibans. Surely, the Talibans are nothing short of medieval bandits. But the war in Afghan is seen as a war against innocent muslims. If Obama were to tell the muslim world, he's gonna chew the balls of the Taliban, you know what the reaction would be like.

This is why we cant accept the term "moderate muslims". Coz these so called moderates are creating an atmosphere where the war on terror becomes very difficult to fight.

[Sten]

what you wrote is not disrespecting others prophets and religions. There is a huge difference between not allowing the construction of temple and saying "Budha was a mother fuccker" or "Ram's mother was a kunt".

Which do you think is worse, Iffo? Insulting people's religion, or not allowing them to practise their religion?

[Yohan]

No you are wrong. You comparing apples and oranges. Desrimination and disrespect are two different things. I think I have said enough about it.

Let's look at the example of your prophet Mohammed. Mohammed and his muscle men were let into the city of Mecca by a surrendered population. Then, What did your prophet do to Meccan's gods and idols kept in the temple Kabba of Mecca? He trampled on them, broke them, threw them out, and destroyed them in front of the assembled mass of cowed Meccas. He then threatened (with Allah's revelation) to kill any of them if found worshipping the banished Gods from hence on. Wasn't it what happened? Wasn't that the example set forth by Mohammed for all Muslims like you? Were his acts discrimination or disrespect?

You claim "Insulting and descrimination are two different things". What did Mohammed do here? Insulting or Discrimination?

[iandonlyhim]

Iffo wrote:

Swami I always take side of the person who is right, no matter if it is muslim or jew or hindu. I love hindus. I love hindus so much that I will be more than happy to be part of your family. Lala will you accept me as your son-in-law?

And though you say you take side of person who is right, you dont. You made things clear by the statement in bold. Yup, all muslims will accept you as your family as long as they can be son-in-law to non-muslims. You are pretty good guy Iffo but you are still a Muslim. If a good person can stoop this low, I can only imagine the "Sons of guns".

No Ram not 90% muslims, there are few hundred muslim bastards doing that in the video. You know very well you are bullshiting.

Ram you need to a have muslims in your life to loose that you hate you have inside for muslims.

.... and going back to this general/overall majority/ etc. part of muslims. I thought we went through it. I thought I showed you how "GENERAL" muslims are in to abducting, raping, wrongly converting Sikh, Hindu, Christian girls. I showed you and you are still playing this game? Let's face it Mr. Iffo - As long as Muslims, general or not, get what they want(which means converting the world in to Islam and all your other obligations which conflict with non-muslims) you are happy but when someone wants to oppose you for your wrongdoings, everything is fair. Raping, looting, bombing, killing innocent, dreaming of taking over countries, etc. etc. etc. is all acceptable. Take the "General" muslims garbage somewhere else, we have a history and present to tell us the facts, we dont need you to tell us what is not true and expect us believe it.

[Ram]

Swami I always take side of the person who is right, no matter if it is muslim or jew or hindu. I love hindus. I love hindus so much that I will be more than happy to be part of your family. Lala will you accept me as your son-in-law?

Like a typical Muslim, you show your Islamic mindset. iffo, you are a Muslim and you betrayed your Islamic character. You love Hindus so you can screw their daughters. But your love is Islamic, not real. If you were a decent human being you would not have made that kind of remark. You said that because you are a Muslim. A Jew will never say that. Please keep posting and showing us ugly Islam is and how pathetic Muslims are. You confirmed what I think about Muslims. Thank you.

[wakeup]

You guys are wasting your time and respect on Iffo who is a prototype of a stuck person.

He and most such people have no solution as their intent of debate is to fool, cheat and deny themselves.
Islamic people are extremely sick and this sickness is not cured by mere talk.
It requires a strong therapy.

A Lunatic in a mad house will never ever accept he is mad. Iffo will always fool the doctors.

[Ram]

wakeup, I agree with you 100%.

[iffo]

Swami I always take side of the person who is right, no matter if it is muslim or jew or hindu. I love hindus. I love hindus so much that I will be more than happy to be part of your family. Lala will you accept me as your son-in-law?

Like a typical Muslim, you show your Islamic mindset. iffo, you are a Muslim and you betrayed your Islamic character. You love Hindus so you can screw their daughters. But your love is Islamic, not real. If you were a decent human being you would not have made that kind of remark. You said that because you are a Muslim. A Jew will never say that. Please keep posting and showing us ugly Islam is and how pathetic Muslims are. You confirmed what I think about Muslims. Thank you.

Ram you have no sense of humor that is your problem. That's what happen when you put your mouth under cow's genitals waiting for it to pee so you can drink it.

[Sten]

Are you going to answer my question, Iffo?

[iffo]

what you wrote is not disrespecting others prophets and religions. There is a huge difference between not allowing the construction of temple and saying "Budha was a mother fuccker" or "Ram's mother was a kunt".

Which do you think is worse, Iffo? Insulting people's religion, or not allowing them to practise their religion?

Sten remmeber we were strictly talking about Insults here. Not doing cost benefit analysis.
Offcouse if I do not let you open new praying place it will not be an insult. You can still pray at your old temple/church or at home, no one is stopping you from doing that.

To majority of the people respect is more important and means more than anything else.

[ThereIs1Adonai]

what you wrote is not disrespecting others prophets and religions. There is a huge difference between not allowing the construction of temple and saying "Budha was a mother fuccker" or "Ram's mother was a kunt".

Which do you think is worse, Iffo? Insulting people's religion, or not allowing them to practise their religion?

Sten remmeber we were strictly talking about Insults here. Not doing cost benefit analysis.
Offcouse if I do not let you open new praying place it will not be an insult. You can still pray at your old temple/church or at home, no one is stopping you from doing that.

To majority of the people respect is more important and means more than anything else.

That is where we have a different mindset and why Muslims do not fit into western society. We don't care what you think or say about us as long as we have the same rights, such as the right to build our choice of church, synagogue, temple, mosque, etc. Words are just words and taking that as more important in a society strikes us as emotional immaturity. But the legal right to choose and build a place of worship with equality is a serious issue. Telling us we cannot have that same right is indeed an insult by the way. Do you not see that?

Peace, Shalom

[ThereIs1Adonai]

what you wrote is not disrespecting others prophets and religions. There is a huge difference between not allowing the construction of temple and saying "Budha was a mother fuccker" or "Ram's mother was a kunt".

Which do you think is worse, Iffo? Insulting people's religion, or not allowing them to practise their religion?

Sten remmeber we were strictly talking about Insults here. Not doing cost benefit analysis.
Offcouse if I do not let you open new praying place it will not be an insult. You can still pray at your old temple/church or at home, no one is stopping you from doing that.

To majority of the people respect is more important and means more than anything else.

By the way, if the right to build a mosque isn't important to you, then the mosque planned in New York City at ground zero should not be an issue. But Muslims worldwide have made it an issue. Can you explain the obvious hypocrisy in that?

Peace, Shalom