Clearing the FOG of Shariah

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Clearing the FOG of Shariah

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As an American Muslim woman activist, I’m letting out a resounding,
“Let’s chill out!”


The Archbishop of Canterbury’s statement that Great Britain should consider accommodating aspects of Islamic law (or Shari’ah ) into its civil law was not a declaration against women or liberty. Rather, he merely proposed his own solution to the ongoing processes of reconciling the integrity of a secular state with the widely-held religious beliefs of people within that state, which may include certain legal provisions. This is, by definition, complicated, and different nations have offered different solutions. While we can disagree with the Archbishop’s conclusions, by simply (and without sufficient knowledge) disparaging Islam and Islamic law, we frankly miss the point of this larger debate.

It seems to me that people frequently conflate the genuine hardship of some Muslim women with Islam (and Islamic law) itself, hence the assumption that Shari’ah law equals oppression of women. This is unfortunate and frankly, intellectually irresponsible. Numerous factors contribute to the positive and negative conditions of Muslim women– cultural, historical, economic and political. Of course, Islam wields enormous influence at all levels, but it is drawn upon by contesting parties to both empower and oppress women.

In terms of the law in particular, we must recognize that Islamic law is not timeless, devoid of context, and without nuance. When we make these assumptions, we actually fall into the same trap as fundamentalists and affirm their ideas. While it is true that distorted religious interpretations of scripture promote damaging attitudes towards women in some societies, the understanding of Islamic law is much more complicated than this. Shari’ah law has been interpreted and re-interpreted. Traditionally, factors such as social conservatism within particular societies, the Talibanization of Islamic legal interpretation (or its narrow interpretation), the predominance of local custom over Islamic law, and the widespread feeling of embattlement amongst many Muslims, continue to hinder these interpretations.

But I ask: why can’t the most positive aspects of the Shar’iah be applied to our contemporary contexts, starting here in the West? Wouldn’t we be finally lifting up the truth of Islam, a truth that has inspired positive social change for more than fourteen hundred years? Within Islam, women are granted innumerable rights and responsibilities, and they are regarded as responsible agents, social and spiritual beings, and legal persons.

In 2006 I launched an initiative to empower Muslim women to fully participate in their communities and nations, and to amplify their voices at all levels of political, economic, religious, and social discourse. The Women’s Islamic Initiative in Spirituality and Equity (WISE) will speak with a humane and equitable voice – the Islamic voice! – and it will challenge the religious legitimacy of those who use Islam to encourage negative attitudes toward women.

As a Muslim woman living in America, my faith fuels my activism. I do not work in spite of Islam but because of it.
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Some mofos always gotta be ice skating uphill. Sorry sweetheart, but your Quran says that your husband can beat you on a whim. Any "positive" aspects of Sharia are automatically cancelled out by this and other anti-human instructions in the Quran.
In terms of the law in particular, we must recognize that Islamic law is not timeless, devoid of context, and without nuance. When we make these assumptions, we actually fall into the same trap as fundamentalists and affirm their ideas. While it is true that distorted religious interpretations of scripture promote damaging attitudes towards women in some societies, the understanding of Islamic law is much more complicated than this. Shari’ah law has been interpreted and re-interpreted. Traditionally, factors such as social conservatism within particular societies, the Talibanization of Islamic legal interpretation (or its narrow interpretation), the predominance of local custom over Islamic law, and the widespread feeling of embattlement amongst many Muslims, continue to hinder these interpretations.
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There is nothing positive whatsoever in a cult of hate for all those around them that don't agree with them and persecute their own without pity.

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gizzin wrote:There is nothing positive whatsoever in a cult of hate for all those around them that don't agree with them and persecute their own without pity.


Agreed.

This "American Society for Muslim Advancement" will just be yet another front for the stealth-jihad. Just like CAIR.
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"The Archbishop of Canterbury’s statement that Great Britain should consider accommodating aspects of Islamic law (or Shari’ah ) into its civil law was not a declaration against women or liberty. Rather, he merely proposed his own solution to the ongoing processes of reconciling the integrity of a secular state with the widely-held religious beliefs of people within that state, which may include certain legal provisions. This is, by definition, complicated, and different nations have offered different solutions. While we can disagree with the Archbishop’s conclusions, by simply (and without sufficient knowledge) disparaging Islam and Islamic law, we frankly miss the point of this larger debate."

ME: First mistake, you are assuming Islam is a religion. You are also assumingthat people who oppose Islam are ignorants of Islam (the rophet, the book, his life, hadith, and the actions of Islam throughout its history in the conquered lands).

"It seems to me that people frequently conflate the genuine hardship of some Muslim women with Islam (and Islamic law) itself, hence the assumption that Shari’ah law equals oppression of women. This is unfortunate and frankly, intellectually irresponsible. Numerous factors contribute to the positive and negative conditions of Muslim women– cultural, historical, economic and political. Of course, Islam wields enormous influence at all levels, but it is drawn upon by contesting parties to both empower and oppress women."

ME: Wrong again. I don't view women as having hardship in Islam. How can you have hardship with something you were born into? It is in their blood. Only when they exposed to democratic societies that they view (and some people) that they are having a hard time. Actually they are not, since they haven't known better in their society."


"In terms of the law in particular, we must recognize that Islamic law is not timeless, devoid of context, and without nuance. When we make these assumptions, we actually fall into the same trap as fundamentalists and affirm their ideas. While it is true that distorted religious interpretations of scripture promote damaging attitudes towards women in some societies, the understanding of Islamic law is much more complicated than this. Shari’ah law has been interpreted and re-interpreted. Traditionally, factors such as social conservatism within particular societies, the Talibanization of Islamic legal interpretation (or its narrow interpretation), the predominance of local custom over Islamic law, and the widespread feeling of embattlement amongst many Muslims, continue to hinder these interpretations. "

ME: Most people dont't give a dime about your laws.it only become relevant when you try to impose it on us and (non-muslims). Many muslims do not feel embattled at all. This is your own assumptions trying to speak on behalf of many Muslims. This article would be better directed to those who believe in equal rights but have zero understanding of, for example, Islamic laws and its history.


"But I ask: why can’t the most positive aspects of the Shar’iah be applied to our contemporary contexts, starting here in the West? Wouldn’t we be finally lifting up the truth of Islam, a truth that has inspired positive social change for more than fourteen hundred years? Within Islam, women are granted innumerable rights and responsibilities, and they are regarded as responsible agents, social and my freedon in all its aspects.

Thanks to thge United States that has educated you and gave you the freedom to speak like that. You speak big words taken from dictionarties (western dictionaries) but zero understanding what you are talign about. I guess your words are good on paper and good enough to be published nad make you some earning. Truth is, you are talking hot air. You don't even understand your own Islamic teaching and its hatred towards non-believers.

Go read your boy book and bring us some positive aspects related to non-believers. Oh wait, you can't. Cause the idea is that we should change not you.

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jamalaya wrote:Thanks to thge United States that has educated you and gave you the freedom to speak like that. You speak big words taken from dictionarties (western dictionaries) but zero understanding what you are talign about. I guess your words are good on paper and good enough to be published nad make you some earning. Truth is, you are talking hot air. You don't even understand your own Islamic teaching and its hatred towards non-believers.

Go read your boy book and bring us some positive aspects related to non-believers. Oh wait, you can't. Cause the idea is that we should change not you.jamalaya
Welcome to the Forum Jamalaya. I am truly impressed the way you articulated your response very well. Daisy Khan is a typical Muslim. She may not wear the hijab, but she is here to impose her Islamic ideology on us. We hope to see more of your posts.
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What positive parts of sharia law should we adopt to our obviously inferior legal systems?

Amputations? Stonings? Child Marriage? Polygamy? Wife Beating?

Its easy to say that these are cultural customs not part of sharia but why does virtually all sharia based laws invlove such things being legal? Is it because all muslim countries are archaic and primitive? If thats the case there is one common denominator, islam.

We have moved beyond such times as needing a religious book to guide our sense of justice, we will not go back.

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AussieGeo wrote:What positive parts of sharia law should we adopt to our obviously inferior legal systems?

Amputations? Stonings? Child Marriage? Polygamy? Wife Beating?

Its easy to say that these are cultural customs not part of sharia but why does virtually all sharia based laws invlove such things being legal? Is it because all muslim countries are archaic and primitive? If thats the case there is one common denominator, islam.

We have moved beyond such times as needing a religious book to guide our sense of justice, we will not go back.
Geo, Muslims will never explain the positive parts of Sharia are because there are none, they just keep mouthing the words.
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enceladus wrote:
gizzin wrote:There is nothing positive whatsoever in a cult of hate for all those around them that don't agree with them and persecute their own without pity.


Agreed.

This "American Society for Muslim Advancement" will just be yet another front for the stealth-jihad. Just like CAIR.
- enceladus
Its quite scary when you think about it. The left/Marxist/socialists and the pink brigade are the one's who support them, yet they would be the first to be got rid of if Sharia law ever came into force as they would be marked as most dangerous for being the most liberal thinkers. Talk about Turkeys voting for Christmas? Oh my!

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