charleslemartel wrote: Balls_of_Titanium_1 wrote:
Glad that you accepted my advice. If you are prepared for striking out, be prepared of being struck back without complaints.
Ok. I wonder why you keep repeating your points.
I will tell you. It is because you keep complaining whenever your Muslim asses gets whipped whether in Iraq, Middle East, India or anywhere. Stop whining, and I will stop reminding you of this advice.
You must be suffering from great lack of self-confidence that you feel the need to repeat your points over and over again.
One 9/11 was enough to get America in to two Muslim countries and dethrone the tyrants. How many Islamic countries are there in the world you said?
And your cruelties were enough to make Al Queda take out the twin towers. How many attacks of such a scale can you suffer, especially if nuclear weapons are involved?
I don't know, seriously, LOL. Why don't you try it out once more?
If America continues its terrorism in the world, the day is not far away.
The way I see it, America counts one of its tall buildings equivalent to one Muslim country. Nuking an American city will make the whole Islamic world extinct.
You did not took "any" Muslim country, really. Yes you occupied them, you brutalized their populations, you massacred them. However, they are still hotbeds of Islam, and in fact, religious sentiment has increased in those countries.
You can never make Islam extinct no matter how many people you kill.
Our constitutions get better and better as they get modified and upgraded if required. Quran, on the other hand, cannot be modified. I remember you asserting that "crap" can never be modified. LOL.
Your constitutions needs betterment. Qur'an does not. Extremes on both sides invoke parallel scenarios. To rule out modification, either you have to write something totally stupid and unworthy of the paper it is written on, or something oustandingly eloquent and intelligent.
Quran cannot be improved because "crap" cannot be improved as you admitted. LOL. The first of your conditions applies to Quran regarding its failure to get modified.
You are engaging in defensive nonsense. I refuted your false attributions to me. The Qur'an falls under the second category - if you have any argument on this, then you should prove the non-existence of such a category to use my words against me. Otherwise, keep quiet.
charleslemartel wrote:You should be thankful to them for giving you separate land.
Britishes had no business in India. Before the British came, we ruled over entire India. So what nonsense are you paddling?
We can surely CURSE Britishes for sowing in conflicts like Kashmir.
First, Muslims never ruled over entire India; learn history properly, not the Islamic lies only.
Ok, so we ruled over almost entire India. So what?
And I can never deny you the rights to curse; it was a favorite exercise of Muhammad and Allah, LOL. Curse till your vocal cords get damaged beyond repair.
Curse at times is translated into actions. You should recognize the root cause.
charleslemartel wrote:Dishonestly and hypocritically, your people stayed back in India even after they had been given their share of land.
The Muslims in India live on their own land
. They have full right to live there. Partition was done for Muslim majority areas.
They do not have the right because they demanded a separate country for themselves and got it.
Not exactly. Only majority Muslim states demanded separation. The Muslims in India are living on their very own land.
Balls_of_Titanium_1 wrote:Lately, there is news that Muslim population of India is increasing faster than Hindu population. I welcome this developement.
Don't worry about that; this malady will be treated in a similar way the fast growing population of bacteria in an infected organ gets treated.
We have finally come to see you betray yourself in breathtaking clarity. Just like Nazis called Jews vermin and what not, you call Muslims bectaria.
Remember, Nazism was wiped out, and so would you.
charleslemartel wrote: Just as Muhammad attacked the nations which did not believe in Islam, we have the right to remove any Islamic government we choose.
Just as you have the right to remove any government, Muhammad had the right to attack non-Islamic nations.
Are you really that stupid? Do you not have any argument of your own? Just because Muhammad plagiarized most of the concepts in Quran from other sources, do you also have to do the same?
That was nonsense.
If you truly believe in what you just wrote, why are you whining constantly about Iraq, Afganistan and Israel? If both the sides are within their rights, STFU and take it like a man; don't complain and don't whine.
If you truely believe what you are writing, why do you constantly whine about Muhammad (p) doing this and that on this anti-Islamic forum? If you think both are within their rights, then why do you take issues with whatever Muhammad (p) may have done, and take it likewise?
charleslemartel wrote: That we learned from Muhammad, not the other way round; so don't complain.
When did you became students of Muhammad? If you were really good students of Muhammad, you would accept Islam and leave your evil ways. Have you done so? So why claim to be more loyal to him than Muslims themselves?
We became the students of Muhammad especially after 9/11. We have just started learning from him about how to treat the enemy.
But you just also learn other things he taught. He taught that you should accept One and the Only God. Leave your sinful ways, accept Islam and the last prophet of God.
Are you not bad students? You are learning partially, no?
First let us learn and implement the lesson fully, then we shall see about the other lessons.
No, it is not you who will decide which lesson should be learn the most. As the new students of Muhammad, you should consult the old students - the Muslims. They will tell you the order of precedence of learning Islamic lessons.
Don't act like a bad student. Did you behave like that in school?
We shall learn the lessons one by one thoroughly and wouldn't touch the next chapter until we have assimilated the first lesson.
What is the first chapter of the Qur'an? Have you assimilated it?
And no, you have to learn the course according to a definite guideline determined by the old students and now teachers - the Muslims and the Muslim scholars.
In this way you will be good students.
charleslemartel wrote:If we emulate Muhammad fully in dealing with enemies, You surely won't have any problems with that, will you?
No, if you emulate him all the way.
It will take quite some time for us to harden our hearts enough to wipe out entire tribes of enemies; and I am not sure we can do this ever. Why are you so impatient that we deal with our enemies by emulating Muhammad all the way? Are you too impatient for the heavenly brothel?
Don't resort to childish nonsense.
You talked about beings students of Muhammad. I am asking if you are good students, why don't you follow your teacher fully? Isn't this needed for a good student? Or do you want to be a bad one?
charleslemartel wrote: In doing so, we will be only following the footsteps of your uswa hasana. You have any objections to that?
Muhammad did what you want to do and are doing. What problem you have with him?
I just asked you if you would object if we followed Muhammad in this matter. Please answer my question: you have any objections to that?
No, if you follow him all the way. As the student of Muhamamd myself, I can advise you to follow Muhammad but in full. Partial knowledge can be dangerous, and so can partial learning.
Thus my above comments.
charleslemartel wrote:The problem is that he taught the wrong things and set criminal examples. Muslims wish to emulate him to the letter and hypocritically whine when they are dished out the same medicine.
Now what? Are you not saying you are very good student of Muhammad? Now you are saying he is setting criminal examples?
No, I never said that I was a very good student of Muhammad. I wouldn't fu*k a nine year old girl for example, I wouldn't wipe out entire tribes, I wouldn't spend a night at my cousin's house in the absence of her husband and then shamelessly make up a story about visit of heaven during the night, LOL. I wouldn't lie to my wife to send her away to her father's and then fu*k the servant in my wife's absence. I wouldn't lie about some angel bringing messages from the God. I wouldn't marry my adopted son's wife by annulling the very concept of adoption. Heck, there are hardly any thing worth emulating in your uswa hasana's life.
When I talk of emulating the example of uswa hasana, it is only to pacify you when you get thrashed. LOL.
You have uttered heaps of nonsense above. It doesn't demand response.
So if you are not good students of Muhammad, then why claim to be his students and follow his exmaples?
You lost the argument, right?
Don't think about pacifying me, think about pacifying yourself.
charleslemartel wrote:Who would have bothered what crap it taught if you did not take it seriously and disturbed the peace of the world.
This amounts to you saying "It bothers me, no it doesn't bothers me, no it does, oh it doesn't". Why are you flipflopping? Are you nervous?
Ha ha ha ha; this was truly hilarious. I was only following the example of your Allah. At one place he says you should not kill, at another he says you must. At one place he says Muhammad is of sublime morality, at another he says Muhammad sinned. Funny that you cannot see the flip flops of Allah, LOL.
Now you claim to be a student of Allah, what the heck are you up to? Can you construct a proper thought and express it with clarity? I don't think so.
But seriously, you do need to get over your rage and try to understand what I am saying. Read my post again.
I am well and truely understanding not only you post, but yourself too. Just try to understand me.
No, it is terrorist nations like America and Israel who throw bombs at innocent human beings. They do that in Afghanistan, Iraq, Palestine, Somalia, Lebanon, Veitnam, Sudan, Nicaragua, Cuba, Haiti, etc, etc.
charleslemartel wrote:As Wafa Sultan famously said, "You can believe in any stone as long as you do not throw that stone on us".
Wafa throws stones at Muslims.
No, she throws criticisms at Islam, whereas Muslims throw bombs at human beings. You can't see any difference, can you?
Your hands are soaked in blood. You could not comprehend the revenge that is pending on you.
charleslemartel wrote:Quran and the life of Muhammad is being dissected all over because of what Muslim brutes and terrorists do deriving inspiration from the book.
Muslims only committed terrorism in response to your terrorism.
They derive the inspiration from Quran, yes, or no?
We mock Quran and Muhammad in order to make you understand that Islam is nothing but poison which is not letting you live in peace which in turn destroys our peace.
And we can clearly see if we have not lost our minds that it is YOU who are full of pison who wants to forward anti-Islamic views to justify American and Western leeching and takevoer of Muslim lands.
LOL. You argue like a parrot. I might be full of poison, who cares? I am a mere individual after all. How many people can I influence with this poison?
And since it doesn't matter whether you are full of poison or not, why should it matter what you think of Islam or Muhammad?
Be kind enough not the make yourself significant.
Islam, on the other hand, is a cult full of poison which has infected 1.2 billion human beings and turned them into zombies. Kindly don't be foolish enough to compare Islam with an insignificant CharlesLeMartel.
charleslemartel wrote:Also, the verse you quoted is abrogated.
Allah words are eternal, man.
Do you mean to say there is no concept of abrogation in Quran?
Not in the case you claimed.
Bring some verse from Sura 9 one of the final chapters in Quran, which was revealed when Muhammad had gained much power, and we shall see how peaceful your book is.
They do not contradict my verse - they were for war times, my verse was for peaceful times.
So, you do not have any final verses which call for peace, do you?
What do you mean?
You can only bring such verses from when Muhammad was powerless and hence harmless, but not when he had attained power.
That is your conception. You try to impose your conception on the verses of the Qur'an.
A believer does not.
Rest is immaterial.
So all your claims of peaceful religion are only for the consumption of kuffar till you are weak. The moment you gain power over them, war verses start applying.
That is again an argument that can be made only through the conception of a kafir.
Not a believer.
Your deception has been exposed.
charleslemartel wrote:You know why? Because they relied on Allah's army of angels, whereas the Europeans developed kuffar science.
Science that was developed on the ideas of Muslim scientists. Yet Islam keeps on increasing.
I notice you did not say anything about the Allah's army of Angels, LOL.
What should I say about it in the present context?
The subject of Muslim scientists is apt for another discussion. However, did you mean the ideas of "Muslim scientists" or ideas of science in Quran?
Can't you read? I said the former.
What was that for?
Muslims too are attacked when they are aggressive and plan terror attacks.
Who was planing terror attacks against Britian which led to Britain attack Iraq?
Well, since America is planing attack on Iran, does Iran has the right to attack America in advance, by your logic?
It is not my logic, it is the logic of your uswa hasana. I only use Islamic (IL)logic because Muslims cannot understand anything other than Islamic logic. LOL.
So you use Islamic logic to prove your points, why don't you accept Islamic logic in ALL cases?
Do you know what "consistancy" means?
What is your honest opinion on the issue by the way? Does Iran have the right to attack America preemptively?
By what America has been doing, they certainly do.
My personal and honest opinion - No. American leaders should be punished by the UN for war crimes and threats of terrorism on the other hand.
That's the ideal world.
I long for the day when you will follow Muhammad totally.
That attitude only party follows Muhammad. Thank your stars that we still do not like to follow Muhammad totally.
You will be civilized.
LOL. Man, you are full of jest and humor today. Why are you so impatient to join the Islamic Heavenly brothel?
Nonsnse will be ignored.
I have strong evidence on the ground. I will win in any court case on the basis of hundreds of thousands of Iraqi dead bodies, compared to your misinterpreted texts in the Qur'an.
charleslemartel wrote:So I have evidence, and you are just making baseless assertions.
What misinterpretation? Quran is clear and easy to understand book, isn't it? Clear and easy statements cannot be misinterpreted. So please don't lie.
Yes, they can, intentionally.
You mean you Muslims enjoy the filth? Are you pigs or what? Can you see your hypocrisy?
What do you mean? Enjoying riches is not filth (if wealth is attained legtimately and enjoyment is contained within Islamic guidelines). Getting easy employment is not filthy at all. Yes, enjoying easy women is filth, however, I did say that this is done by "corrupt Muslims". So those Muslims might be pigs, but I am afraid my point has again missed you from a mile.
Nice to see you back pedalling furiously.
No need to backpaddle.
However, another question for you, do you think raiding and looting caravans results in legitimate wealth?
No and yes. No if (as the usual case) the caravans are belonging to some innocent people and contain their goods.
Yes, if (as in unusual cases) the caravans belong to thieves who are taking confisicated goods of the persons doing to the "looting".
And also remember your pontification about how you would only like to raise Muslim kids in Muslim countries and not in filth ridden western societies.
However, this doesn't mean raising kids in western countries properly is entirely impossible. That's why I say Muslims should not integrate into the society and stick to their Islamic culture.
I can never tell Muslims to not go or not live in western countries, because they have a very, very important job to do there too.
After I extended your argument, you suddenly started seeing the positives in those filth ridden western societies?
Yes, because when I said filth ridden, I meant it morally. This doesn't mean all westerns are bad, or everything in west is bad.
Islam asks us to be open to humanity with good preaching and wisdom. We must not close any gates to non-Muslims who may enter Islam.
So where would you now like to raise your kids?
charleslemartel wrote:Since you consider western society filth ridden, you should do you best to persuade your fellow brothers to move back to Islamic heavens.
Or to do the cleaning.
It is very easy to condemn the west and extremely difficult to leave it, no? My dear Hypocrite Muslim?
Depends on the person involved. And don't resort to childishness.
Nope, it was a poor attempt on your part to evade discussion about the situation of your young girls and problems like AIDS, STDs and teen pregnancies inflicting your societies.
I see that you are avoiding commenting on my following statement like a plague:
charleslemartel wrote:It isn't any worse than a nine year old getting deflowered by a 56 year old uswa hasana. It isn't any worse than raping a woman the same night you have killed her husband. It isn't any worse than killing the men, capturing the widows and then raping, enslaving and selling them off. Don't come talking to us about morality. Morality and Muhammad have nothing in common apart from the letter "M".
Please tell me something relevant about this comment of mine.
It is totally irrelevent and nonsense in the context of the current discussion. You certainly are short of arguments to resort to such tactics.
Don't make yourself out to so bad. I said not all things in the west are bad. So Muslims may avail the good, while shun the bad. At the same time, we don't consider a group of people as a whole as some kind of "filth" or "gutter". Humans are redeemable, and there is no reason why western societies can't improve and move back towards religious morality. Muslims should help the west achieve this. There are many European converts to Islam, who belie your opinion that west as a whole is gutter and that Muslims must only stay away from it. Muslims can live within the west and contribute to postive change.
You would be advising them to live in the gutter and to try avoiding the stench.
The sight of Muslims in your society makes you see the evil in your present ways. That's why you want Muslims disappear from the west. But this can't happen.
Ha ha ha ha. We know about the morality of Muhammad which you follow. I have given enough examples of his morality, haven't I? And you have avoided commenting on that exposing your shame on what your uswa hasana did. So keep your Muhammad's morality to your own Islamic heavens; we don't need it.
Your mallacious attacks do not matter. What matters is the ground reality - Muslims are fastly increasing in the entire world. A culture that you make Islam out to be, could not have survived a few decades. Thus your mallacious attacks do not stand scrutiny.
Actually, don't get arrogent at your short term uplift. West IS spiritually hankering towards Islam - this shows in thousands upon thsouands of converts in each western country. That's the cause of this site, and not "terrorism."
charleslemartel wrote:After all, all the knowledge worth knowing is already presented to you by Allah in Quran.
In Qur'an there are guidelines, and there are certain pieces of information. However, by no means Qur'an is a substitute for a science book (Qur'an is so high that such a comparison is stupid to make, however just to advance the idea I did so) , nor it was intended to. The information in a science text might be of infiniltely lower value than the Qur'an, but it has uses in its own way and we Muslims are recommended to seek it and to explore the world. So your attempt at teaching me Islam in a maliging way is bound to fail, as I know my Islam better.
Quran is so high that the societies following it have become so advanced that we westerners hanker for migrating to Islamic heavens. LOL. How can you fool yourself for so long so successfully?
No part of established, verfied science contradicts any single piece of information in the Qur'an. However, "theories" like evolution are another matter.
charleslemartel wrote:The education in the west contradicts Quran; it is amazing that you consider it good, LOL
Evolution is established and verified, why don't you try to learn something about it? Quran thinks sky is solid and its pieces can fall on Muslims' heads; this contradicts the established and verified science that sky is not solid. In fact, there is hardly any correct scientific information in Quran. If there is any, it was already known to human beings even before Muhammad was born.
All the above belongs to another thread.
Care to bring some scientific fact from Quran which, if correct, was not known to humans before Muhammad?
It doesn't matter.
Why do you want to take me on the route I don't wish to traverse?
The bond of Islam is infinitely superior to the corrupting influence of the west. We believe in this firmly. That's why I will never tell Muslims to not go to the west or not to live there. But only to be careful.
charleslemartel wrote:Living in the west is bound to corrupt the morality of your women, daughters, sisters and sons, and it is already doing that;
But this bond of Islam is already failing and morality of your women is getting corrupted. The spate of honor killings are evidences for what I am saying.
Again, Hitler propaganda tactic don't work. Don't you say honor killings are prevalent in Islamic countries?
Then by your logic, the corrupting influence is the same everywhere.
But again, Hitler propaganda tactic won't work. There has been hundreds of thousands of times more homicide, murders, rapes, and other crimes that have been committed in the west than honor killing for the last ten years.
From an attempt to outwit me, you have now started beseeching?
charleslemartel wrote:You should really think about my suggestion a bit harder and start a movement to bring back your brethren to the lands of sublime morality.
I want to bring sublime morality to YOUR countries. Isn't that good for you?
Why do you want me to feel insecure about my faith? I don't, I just don't.
No, the sublime morality of Muhammad fills our hearts with disgust. Please don't bring them to us.
But it was never about what YOU think. It was about what Musilms think, no? So I have given you my answer.
Enjoy your morality in your Islamic heavens. See, you don't have anything that we wish you to bring to us. On the other hand, we do have many things which makes you drool and you leave DarUl Islam for DarUl Kufr. If Quran or Islam had any thing worthwhile, we would have been migrating to your hell-holes and not the other way round.
I reject your biased opinion as inconsequential.
You are on the ground.
LOL. Think of something proper to say, man. I am prepared to give you another month if you wish. But you do need to tell me if you agree with my statement or not.
Can you give anything? You are only fit to beseech for things.
charleslemartel wrote: So when are you moving?
I am in Pakistan.
charleslemartel wrote:Please stay back and try to stop your brethren from moving to the west too. What are a few pieces of silver compared to the hereafter?
Spreading of faith earns great rewards in the hereafter, did you not know that?
What spreading of faith? Living in west will corrupt your faith. Muslims will become pigs by enjoying the easy flesh (LOL). Corrupt faith will earn you only punishments in the hereafter.
The spreading of faith does earns great rewards. And in the west it is happening fast (that's why this site exists) due to Muslims living there.
Don't try to give your false theories. Islam is bound to spread.