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especially made toward these jews who are self hating once...
I don't know what sort yiddish parables Chomsky/Finkelstein type of jews can make. that is interesting.
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Islam wants to build a Victory MosqueL Lets analyze what makes it a victory

1. 3000 dead Americans

2. 2 Trillion dollars in losses

3. Two Worthless Wars in Afghanistan and Iraq Where billions and billions are spent with no real justification
Approx 3,000,000 dollars per death caused by the USA

3. Saudi's emerge completely un-touched despite 15 of 19 being Saudi's no demands for reparations are made.

4. Al-Qaida and Terror are the enemy not Islam

7. They have managed to drive a wedge between Western Countries

8. Iran has a bomb

9. Iraq is an ally of Iran

10. 150,000 Dead Muslims mainly at the hand of other Muslims

Yeah I would say Islam has not only won the battles but the war as well.

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planck wrote:But look at this follow-up tweet from the mosquers:
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Nice dig at the "yiddish fables." I thought these people were supposed to be tolerant, nice, and open? What's up with the dig at the jews?
Oy Vey! what the heck is going on over at Area 51 Park51?
creating dialogue
How's this for "creating dialogue"?

Yesterday, organizers of the Ground Zero mosque project took to Twitter to slam Israeli newspaper Ha'aretz, after the paper incorrectly reported that plans for the controversial Islamic prayer center were being abandoned.

But some say the mosque's organizers went too far by mocking Ha'aretz with references to Jewish culture.

"On a side note, if Haaretz likes publishing fables, perhaps they could go back to the Yiddish ones with parables #welikethosebetter," Tweeted Park51, which calls itself the "official Twitter account" of the Ground Zero mosque project. Yiddish is a language that originated with and was used primarily by the Ashkenazi Jewish community in Eastern Europe.

After the Tweet caused a small outcry with some calling it "anti-semitic," Park51 appeared to remove the comment from its Twitter page, though there is still a link available to the original statement.

"Fine lemme retract the yiddish one and restate - the intent was that Haaretz published an unsubstantiated fable not a fact," Park51 Tweeted, in an attempt to backtrack on statement. "Apparently we can take a bashing all day but we can't make a jab about fables. :("

Later, Park51 attempted to explain the reasoning behind the Yiddish dig. "I meant it as a joke as my cousin's mother used to tell us Yiddish stories as kids (she's Jewish)," Park51 Tweeted.

Ah, the Ground Zero mosque project. Building bridges between cultures, one Jewish joke at a time.
Well, whoever was tweeting for the mosque has now been replaced:
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Update: We are in the process of introducing a new team and are issuing apologies for any prior tweets that may have caused offense. about 1 hour ago via web

New tweet:

Note: we will be replacing one of the interns on the park51 account 4 minutes ago via twidroid
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The former waiter turned multi-millionaire in two years, threatens people who speak out against the mega-mosque? This is peace and outreach?

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Muslim opponent of mosque reports threat
OTTAWA - She spoke out against the Ground Zero mosque, now a Canadian Muslim woman says she is being threatened. Raheel Raza, a founding member of the Muslim Canadian Congress, calls the idea of a mosque within 300 metres of Ground Zero “a deliberate provocation.”

Last week Raza joined Maureen Basnicki a Canadian widow of 9-11 in attending a meeting about the mosque in New York City.

“They were very arrogant. They didn’t answer questions,” Raza told QMI Agency.

The meeting was hosted by Daisy Khan, the wife of the Imam promoting the mosque and Sharif El Gamal, the man whose property firm owns the land the mosque is to be built on.

Raza says she asked questions about who was financing the building, estimated to cost $100 million, and whether any of the money would come from countries other than the United States. There has been much speculation that the mosque is being funded through Saudi Arabian sources but at the Manhattan meeting Raza said there were no answers.

On Monday, back in Toronto, Raza says she received a call on her cellphone from a man who identified as Sharif El Gamal. “His tone was intimidating,” said Raza. “He accused me of 'jumping into’ the meeting he called and then said 'May Allah protect you.’ I was shocked and hung up.”

Raza says she took the phone call as a clear threat against her.


“Why would I need Allah’s protection?” asked Raza.

Raza says El Gamal's tone was threatening and she took the phone call as a clear threat against her, and not as it is sometimes used, as a casual phrase meaning goodbye. Contacted at his New York office El Gamal initially didn’t have much to say. “I’m confused by your phone call,” he said before hanging up.

Contacted a second time El Gamal said “There was no phone call made by anybody” before again hanging up the phone to abruptly end the call.

Raza insists there was a call, “I saved the number on my cell.” The number on Raza’s cellphone matches that of El Gamal’s Soho Properties offices in New York.

The proposal to build a mosque so close to Ground Zero has become a hot political topic in the United States.

Mauren Basnicki, who lost her husband Ken in the attacks on the World Trade Center, told QMI Agency she originally had an open mind about the mosque being built so close to the site of the 9-11 attacks, now she is against it.

“We all believe in religious tolerance. I don’t think for one minute that this is about religious tolerance,” said Basnicki.

Speaking with QMI Agency from her home in Collingwood, Ont., Basnicki says many might be afraid to speak out for fear of being branded as bigoted but to her the location is just insensitive and she’d like to see it move.
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Muslim-born Miss USA opposes NYC mosque
First Muslim winner of prestigious beauty contest says Islamic center should not be so close to Ground Zero. 'We should be more concerned with the tragedy than religion,' she says
Ynet Published: 08.21.10, 11:13 / Israel News

Rima Fakih, the first Muslim winner of the Miss USA contest said she opposes the building of a mosque so near to Ground Zero, the New York Post reported Saturday.

Fakih, daughter of Lebanese immigrants, said she has respect for freedom of religion but feels the mosque should not be built so close to the site of the September 11 attacks.
"I totally agree with President Obama with the statement on Constitutional rights of freedom of religion,"
she said.
"I also agree that it shouldn't be so close to the World Trade Center. We should be more concerned with the tragedy than religion,"
she added.

Fakih recently told a Detroit newspaper that she fasts during the month of Ramadan despite preparations towards the Miss Universe Pageant.

According to recent polls, most New Yorkers oppose the establishment of a mosque near Ground Zero claiming the act offends the memory of the September 11 attack victims.

Liberal elements including New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg expressed support of the move citing Muslims' rights for freedom of religion.

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NY mosque imam: US rights in line with true Islam
Feisal Abdul Rauf says freedoms enshrined by Constitution reflect Muslim values; mosque supporters, opponents rally in lower Manhattan
News agencies Published: 08.22.10, 19:57 / Israel News

The imam spearheading plans for an Islamic center near the New York site of the Sept. 11 attacks says America's sweeping constitutional rights are more in line with Islamic principles than the limits imposed by some Muslim nations.

Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf told the Al Wasat newspaper in Bahrain that the freedoms enshrined by the US Constitution also reflect true Muslim values.

A portion of the interview — to be published Monday — was seen Sunday by The Associated Press.

Rauf is on a Middle East tour funded by the US State Department.

He has discussed efforts to combat extremism, but has avoided any comments on the rancor over proposals for a mosque and Islamic center near the site of the toppled World Trade Center towers.

Also on Sunday, supporters and opponents of the proposed Muslim cultural center and mosque rallied in downtown Manhattan, kept blocks apart by a heavy police presence.

The emotionally charged dispute has taken on national political significance, with Republicans using the issue to attack President Barack Obama ahead of midterm elections where his Democrats are fighting to retain control of Congress.

Hundreds of opponents chanted
"No Mosque,"
sang patriotic songs and waved photographs of violent attacks by Islamic extremists.

One sign read:
"Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all the terrorists were Muslim."


Around the corner, supporters of the center chanted:
"We don't care what bigots say, religious freedom is here to stay."


Among them was Ali Akram, a New York doctor, who said:
"The people who say the mosque is too close to Ground Zero, those are the same people that protest mosques in Brooklyn and Staten Island and Tennessee and Wisconsin and California. What radius will they go for? There's no end to it."


While tempers were heated, there were no signs of violence between the two sides, which were kept several blocks apart by police.

Obama has said he supports the right of Muslims to build the center near Ground Zero, while Republicans, including former vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin, oppose it. Others have suggested it be moved to a less controversial location.
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Activists rally over Ground Zero mosque
By ASSOCIATED PRESS 23/08/2010

Hundreds gather in New York at two separate demonstrations.

NEW YORK — The proposed mosque near ground zero drew hundreds of fever-pitch demonstrators Monday, with opponents carrying signs associating Islam with blood, supporters shouting,
"Say no to racist fear!"
and American flags waving on both sides.

The two leaders of the construction project, meanwhile, defended their plans, though one suggested that organizers might eventually be willing to discuss an alternative site. The other, Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, said during a Middle East trip that the attention generated by the project is actually positive and that he hopes it will bring greater understanding.

Around the corner from the cordoned-off old building that is to become a 13-story Islamic community center and mosque, police separated the two groups of demonstrators. There were no reports of physical clashes but there were some nose-to-nose confrontations, including a man and a woman screaming at each other across a barricade under a steady rain.

Opponents of the $100 million project two blocks from the World Trade Center site appeared to outnumber supporters. Bruce Springsteen's
"Born in the USA"
blared over loudspeakers as mosque opponents chanted,
"No mosque, no way!"
Signs hoisted by dozens of protesters standing behind police barricades read
"SHARIA"
— using dripping, blood-red letters to describe Islam's Shariah law, which governs the behavior of Muslims.

On a nearby sidewalk, police chased away a group that unfurled a banner with images of beating, stoning and other torture they said was committed by those who followed Islamic law.

A mannequin dressed in a keffiyeh, a traditional Arab headdress, was mounted on one of two mock missiles that were part of an anti-mosque installation. One missile was inscribed with the words:
"Again? Freedom Targeted by Religion"
; the other with
"Obama: With a middle name Hussein. We understand. Bloomberg: What is your excuse?"
New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg has fiercely defended plans for the proposed mosque, saying that the right
"to practice your religion was one of the real reasons America was founded."
The mosque project is being led by Rauf and his wife, Daisy Khan, who insist the center will promote moderate Islam. The dispute has sparked a national debate on religious freedom and American values and is becoming an issue on the campaign trail ahead of the midterm elections. Republicans have been critical of President Barack Obama's stance: He has said the Muslims have the right to build the center at the site but has not commented on whether he thinks they should.

Rauf is in the middle of a Mideast trip funded by the US State Department that is intended to promote religious tolerance. He told a gathering Sunday at the US ambassador's residence in the Persian Gulf state of Bahrain that he took heart from the dispute over the mosque, saying
"the fact we are getting this kind of attention is a sign of success."
"It is my hope that people will understand more,"
Rauf said without elaborating.

At the pro-mosque rally, staged a block away from opponents' demonstration, several hundred people chanted,
"Muslims are welcome here! We say no to racist fear!"
Dr. Ali Akram, a 39-year-old Brooklyn physician, came with his three sons and an 11-year-old nephew waving an American flag. He noted that scores of Muslims were among those who died in the towers, and he called those who oppose the mosque
"un-American."
Gila Barzvi, whose son, Guy, was killed in the towers, stood with mosque opponents, clutching a large photo of her son with both hands.
"This is sacred ground and it's where my son was buried,"
the native Israeli from Queens said. She said the mosque would be
"like a knife in our hearts."
She was joined by a close friend, Kobi Mor, who flew from San Francisco to participate in the rally.

If the mosque gets built,
"we will bombard it,"
Mor said. He would not elaborate but added that he believes the project
"will never happen."

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If the people behind the project had any shredd of decency they would cancel it due to the feelings of the victims families. That they won't just indicates that they aren't really concerned about building a mosque rather just causing a headline. Why is that the rights of muslims are greater than the rights of the victims, to me the rights of family members to be around ground zero to mourn their families without being taunted by a mosque is far greater than the rights of muslims who could a mosque anywhere.

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the fact that half of the country oppose it, does not matter to them. that should tell you something.
if it were jews they would not hesitate to cancel it. mending fences indeed :thumbdown:
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Muslims don't give a toss about offending people, they revel in it.... they love it, that's what makes Islam great.

They have no compassion or thought for others.... only hate in their hearts and if the building of this Mosque goes ahead then the ramifications for them in the future will be self serving, especially when the States allow high profile mad Muslim Mullahs into the Country to preach there like we do in the UK. Its mind boggling but we can't even deport these terrorists when get here due to their "human rights."

Only humans should be entitled to them.

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Lefty supporter of Ground Zero Mosque curses out Holocaust-Survivor who opposes project…

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Didn't take long for the Muslims and their idiot sympathizers to shout, "racist", at their detractors. Hey, idiots, this issue has nothing to do with racism because nobody would even blink if the building was turned into a Hindu or Sikh temple. It's only because it is intended to be a mosque, celebrating the vile murderous cult of Islam, that offends right-thinking people.

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Read the whole thread.

This whole Mosque Protest is Making Me Sick

It is futile to argue with these people.
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So Did you guys sign the declaration on this Mosque Problem?? Other wise read it and sign it ., if you are American citizen it helps to air the decent voices..

http://www.groundzerodeclaration.org/th ... claration/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

please go there, read it., sign it and send e-mails with that link to as many friends as you have

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71 per cent New Yorkers oppose mosque near Ground Zero

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NEW YORK: Despite their support for freedom of religion, 71 per cent of New Yorkers believe the planned mosque and Islamic community centre near Ground Zero should be built "somewhere else" and not two blocks from the terrorist-destroyed World Trade Centre, a poll said on Tuesday.

The Quinnipiac University poll said that 54 per cent of those interviewed recognised that "because of American freedom of religion, Muslims have the right to build the mosque near Ground Zero".

But because of sensitivities for families of the nearly 3,000 people killed by the terrorist attacks September 11, 2001, Muslims should not be allowed to build the mosque near the site, respondents said.

At issue is a plan by the Cordoba Institute led by Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf to raise $100 million to buy a multi-storey building, a former textile factory, on Park Place and convert it into an Islamic cultural centre. The institute has been holding Friday prayers at the site since 2009.

The imam is currently on a good-will tour of the Arabic-speaking world sponsored by the US state department.

Seventy one per cent of the 1,497 New Yorkers questioned in the poll said the Muslim group should voluntarily build the mosque somewhere else "because of the opposition of Ground Zero relatives".

Twenty-one per cent disagreed with that statement.

"The heated, sometimes angry, debate over the proposal ... has New York State voters twisted in knots, with some of them taking contradictory positions depending on how the question is asked," said Maurice Caroll, director of the Quinnipiac University Poll Institute.

The controversy has also helped stir what a US Muslim group calls a "rising tide of anti-Muslim sentiment". Monday, the "My Faith, My Voice" group launched a campaign calling for dialogue and suggesting ways that American Muslims can argue against the tide.

Last week, one New York taxi driver who hails from Bangladesh was attacked with a knife by a drunken customer, after the attacker found out the Bangladeshi driver was Muslim.

The poll released on Tuesday, conducted August 23-29 with a plus-and-minus margin of error of 2.5 per centage points, said most respondents to the poll believe Muslims should voluntarily choose another location for the mosque.

The poll says also that 71 per cent of respondents want New York Attorney General Andrew Cuomo to investigate the sources of funding of the Cordoba Institute, while 22 per cent were opposed to the probe.

In their response to the question about freedom of religion, 40 per cent disagreed that because of the American guarantees of freedom of religion, "Muslims have the right to build the mosque near Ground Zero".
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Silence is not moderation

In a recent Wall Street Journal article, terrorism analyst Evan Kohlmann said that anti-Muslim rhetoric in America is bad news for anti-terrorism efforts: "We are handing al Qaeda a propaganda coup, an absolute propaganda coup."

By many accounts, the man who could blunt the power of that coup is Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, the religious leader behind the planned Islamic Center near Ground Zero. The imam has been surprisingly mum on the issue while he travels in the Middle East. What message of faith could he offer to Muslims and non-Muslims alike that could turn this moment of division into a time of healing?

As many have pointed out, the controversy over the "ground zero mosque" is a false one. The project is legal to build, and it should remain legal. That does not mean, however, that any concern about building a mosque so close to ground zero is synonymous with bigotry. The true scandal here is that Muslim moderates have been so abysmally lacking in candor about the nature of their faith and so slow to disavow its genuine (and growing) pathologies--leading perfectly sane and tolerant people to worry whether Muslim moderation even exists.

Despite his past equivocations on this issue, Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf could dispel these fears in a single paragraph:

"Like all decent people, I am horrified by much that goes on in the name of 'Islam,' and I consider it a duty of all moderate Muslims to recognize that many of the doctrines espoused in the Qur'an and hadith present some unique liabilities at this moment in history. Our traditional ideas about martyrdom, jihad, blasphemy, apostasy, and the status of women must be abandoned, as they are proving disastrous in the 21st century. Many of Islam's critics have fully justified concerns about the state of discourse in parts of the Muslim world--where it is a tissue of conspiracy theories, genocidal ravings regarding the Jews, and the most abject, triumphalist fantasies about conquering the world for the glory of Allah. While the scriptures of Judaism and Christianity also contain terrible passages, it has been many centuries since they truly informed the mainstream faith. Hence, we do not tend to see vast numbers of Jews and Christians calling for the murder of apostates today. This is not true of Islam, and there is simply no honest way of denying this shocking disparity. We are members of a faith community that appears more concerned about harmless cartoons than about the daily atrocities committed in its name--and no one suffers from this stupidity and barbarism more than our fellow Muslims. Islam must grow up. And Muslim moderates like ourselves must be the first to defend the rights of novelists, cartoonists, and public intellectuals to criticize all religious faiths, including our own."
These are the sorts of sentiments that should be the litmus test for Muslim moderation. Find an imam who will speak this way, and gather followers who think this way, and I'll volunteer to cut the ribbon on his mosque in lower Manhattan.
Well Sam, if you as infidel cut the ribbon to that Mosque of that imam Feisal Abdul Rauf in lower Manhattan and Muslims allows you to cut the ribbon, then I will come to that inauguration with a placard in my hand which says "Islam means peace, Islam is Peace., All Americans please join in Islam and bend your asses towards Arabian desert " Any ways, that piece is from Sam Harris pubed in Washington times at http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfa ... ation.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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