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Re: She wants to understand Taliban., Indian Lady Arundhati Roy

PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 4:58 pm
by viduur
Idesigner wrote:Only way Arundhati can understand Talibans is by wearing burkha.


Really it's the most excellent observation & suggestion one can make in one line. :rock:

Re: She wants to understand Taliban., Indian Lady Arundhati Roy

PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 5:37 pm
by Yohan
viduur wrote:
Idesigner wrote:Only way Arundhati can understand Talibans is by wearing burkha.
Really it's the most excellent observation & suggestion one can make in one line. :rock:

I would agree! Arundhati was brought up as a christian in Kerala, after her Bengali Hindu father committed suicide, and her mother being a Syrian Christian. I think she is an atheist. I hope she channels her talents into writing novels instead of meddling in the mine-ridden religious politics. May be that she lost her writing talents forever. If that is true, that would really be a loss to India.

Re: She wants to understand Taliban., Indian Lady Arundhati Roy

PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 6:01 pm
by viduur
Yohan wrote:
viduur wrote:
Idesigner wrote:Only way Arundhati can understand Talibans is by wearing burkha.
Really it's the most excellent observation & suggestion one can make in one line. :rock:

I would agree! Arundhati was brought up as a christian in Kerala, after her Bengali Hindu father committed suicide, and her mother being a Syrian Christian. I think she is an atheist. I hope she channels her talents into writing novels instead of meddling in the mine-ridden religious politics. May be that she lost her writing talents forever. If that is true, that would really be a loss to India.


You really have a very soft corner for this lady, who have a very charming face & beautiful eyes. :wink:

I also admire her persona but not the extremely anti-Hindu & ultra leftist philosophy adopted by her.

Just see how she criticised US in the post 9/11 scenerio....I could really never read it completely.

This beautiful lady becomes disgusting sometimes.....

Re: She wants to understand Taliban., Indian Lady Arundhati Roy

PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 6:17 pm
by Yohan
viduur wrote:
Yohan wrote:I would agree! Arundhati was brought up as a christian in Kerala, after her Bengali Hindu father committed suicide, and her mother being a Syrian Christian. I think she is an atheist. I hope she channels her talents into writing novels instead of meddling in the mine-ridden religious politics. May be that she lost her writing talents forever. If that is true, that would really be a loss to India.
You really have a very soft corner for this lady, who have a very charming face & beautiful eyes. :wink:

I also admire her persona but not the extremely anti-Hindu & ultra leftist philosophy adopted by her.

Just see how she criticised US in the post 9/11 scenerio....I could really never read it completely.

This beautiful lady becomes disgusting sometimes.....

Actually I don't! I think she is a loose cannon!!

What I am saying is that she ought to focus on writing novels.

Re: She wants to understand Taliban., Indian Lady Arundhati Roy

PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 7:15 pm
by Yohan
viduur wrote:Actually Caste System is nothing Hinduism but anti-Hinduism only. I think following equation summarise it very well-

Hinduism = Hindu Religion -Caste System
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ManuSmiriti has no relevance in modern India. ------ Being an agragarian society, Cow & its progeny provided maximum support to Indian econmy till recent past. This may be the reason why most of the Indians ( not only Hindus) are emotional about treating cow at par with other animals. Outside India, Hindu kids also enjoy beef & beef products like all others.

Caste system is an embarrassing topic for Hindus to discuss. Some become defensive, some become dismissive, some blame the others, and so on, the varieties one encounters are endless. Whatever the posturing they adopt, and whatever the origins of caste system, they live in a society of their creation which measures a man based upon his birth as per the laws of their religion. So they simply can't deny it doesn't exist.

I understand your aspirations for Hinduism to cleanse itself of caste system, no matter how difficult it would be. About 97% of marriages continue to be within the same caste, counter that notion. Caste system has remained in force in every corner where modern laws can't penetrate, which is actually most of the social, communal, and religious workings of Hindus. This situation is not much different from Islam's inability to bring equality for women. The real reason for this kind of dogged persistence is that such beliefs are so deeply rooted in the believers psyche. How could a Hindu Brahmin imagine marrying off his only daughter to a Sudra? All the hell would break loose before that happens.

I have recently visited the fabled Hindu island of Bali, and what I found there is that they practise caste system with the same vigor too, irrespective of modern laws. So Hinduism and caste system are inseperable in its natural form. Massive doses of modernization is required to change this attitude, way more than Hindus are willing to accomodate now.
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Whatever the reasons for Hindus to venerate cows, that should not be a reason for denying minorities their right to eat beef, by using the Hindu laws of Manusmrithi, in a secular and modern India. That would be like making dhimmis out of minorities as Muslims do in their countries using sharia.

Re: She wants to understand Taliban., Indian Lady Arundhati Roy

PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 7:49 pm
by charleslemartel
She should really go and live with Taliban to understand them first hand. Idiots do not learn easily.

Re: She wants to understand Taliban., Indian Lady Arundhati Roy

PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 8:11 pm
by Balls_of_Titanium_1
expozIslam wrote:She can give company to this lady
Image

Taliban would love to have her.


And maybe, Taliban will treat them so nice that they will convert to Islam (if the above lady in Hijab haven't already) like what a UK journalist did. ;)

Re: She wants to understand Taliban., Indian Lady Arundhati Roy

PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 1:36 am
by Infidel
Yohan wrote:Caste system is an embarrassing topic for Hindus to discuss. Some become defensive, some become dismissive, some blame the others, and so on, the varieties one encounters are endless. Whatever the posturing they adopt, and whatever the origins of caste system, they live in a society of their creation which measures a man based upon his birth as per the laws of their religion. So they simply can't deny it doesn't exist.


Just to burst your bubble.

The person who wrote Vedas was born to a daughter of ferryman. The person who was quite notorious to Moughals during Auragjeb rule in India was a low caste, shudra, named Shivaji.

The ruler of Maurya Empire, Chradragupta Maurya who ruled almost all India, was born to a low caste lady who used to pick up Peacock(Maurya) feathers.

Valmiki, who wrote Ramayana and The Great Ashoka were Shudras too.

For Hindus Gita is the only holy book. The other two are Ramayana and Vedas.

Anything other than that is just the comments and opinions of other humans.

Re: She wants to understand Taliban., Indian Lady Arundhati Roy

PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 2:21 am
by Infidel
Agnostic wrote:I don’t understand the language much. My wife translated some of it. I think those who understand Urdu will find it amusing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKDEfYe33_0

Lol...it was really funny. I watched few more videos by 4manshow, its quite surprising to hear bollywood songs there.

Re: She wants to understand Taliban., Indian Lady Arundhati Roy

PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 4:25 am
by viduur
Yohan wrote:
viduur wrote:Actually Caste System is nothing Hinduism but anti-Hinduism only. I think following equation summarise it very well-

Hinduism = Hindu Religion -Caste System
--------------
ManuSmiriti has no relevance in modern India. ------ Being an agragarian society, Cow & its progeny provided maximum support to Indian econmy till recent past. This may be the reason why most of the Indians ( not only Hindus) are emotional about treating cow at par with other animals. Outside India, Hindu kids also enjoy beef & beef products like all others.

Caste system is an embarrassing topic for Hindus to discuss. Some become defensive, some become dismissive, some blame the others, and so on, the varieties one encounters are endless. Whatever the posturing they adopt, and whatever the origins of caste system, they live in a society of their creation which measures a man based upon his birth as per the laws of their religion. So they simply can't deny it doesn't exist.

I understand your aspirations for Hinduism to cleanse itself of caste system, no matter how difficult it would be. About 97% of marriages continue to be within the same caste, counter that notion. Caste system has remained in force in every corner where modern laws can't penetrate, which is actually most of the social, communal, and religious workings of Hindus. This situation is not much different from Islam's inability to bring equality for women. The real reason for this kind of dogged persistence is that such beliefs are so deeply rooted in the believers psyche. How could a Hindu Brahmin imagine marrying off his only daughter to a Sudra? All the hell would break loose before that happens.

I have recently visited the fabled Hindu island of Bali, and what I found there is that they practise caste system with the same vigor too, irrespective of modern laws. So Hinduism and caste system are inseperable in its natural form. Massive doses of modernization is required to change this attitude, way more than Hindus are willing to accomodate now.
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Whatever the reasons for Hindus to venerate cows, that should not be a reason for denying minorities their right to eat beef, by using the Hindu laws of Manusmrithi, in a secular and modern India. That would be like making dhimmis out of minorities as Muslims do in their countries using sharia.


Hinduism is an evolution, and not a revolution like many other religions.Things are moving in positive direction at slow pace to sustain the creative impulse & potential of the best creature of the creator.Moving too fast in positive direction can also result in inequillibrium & instabilty, as being witnessed by the American societies after the recent Global Financial crisis.

Just look at a the fate & accomplishment of Islam & Marxism, which were the perfect revolutionary Religion or Doctrines.They did not destroyed the existing systems only in one stroke, but also destroyed the creative impulse & potential of their followers forever. Revolution may apear glamourus but they are deceptive also.

Nature has prescribed the route of revolutions to ensure destructions only and not for creative purposes. For the creation, only the evolutionary route has been prescribed by the nature. Hinduism is evolving in perfect harmony with the diversified nature of millions of Hindus. Caste System is making way for Democratic spirit. In the matters of job, Caste has already become redundant, while in the matters of marriage, Caste is losing relevance vis-a vis many other new compatibilty factors. In case of marriage, Caste has been reduced to one useful compatibilty factor only. No law can be passed by the parliament to make Inter-Caste marriages mandotory, however every hurdle in case of Inter-caste marriages has already been removed by the Indian Parliament.

ManuSmiriti was only a Brahminical manipulation of later times. It has become so much maligned that most conservative Brahminists will not dare to touch it. Dr. Ambedkar burnt the copies of Manu Smiriti in a symbolic gesture to display its gross irrelevance for the modern Hindu Society. Sri Sri Ravishankar also say the same thing in following words:

The Sanskrit term smriti refers to those practices that are appropriate to time and place, those things that are time-bound.


Now Brahmins are rallying behind a Dalit Mayawati in UP to make a joke with the provisions of Manu Smiriti, and you are trying to impose Manu Smiriti on Hindus.I think, if the followers of other religions ( esp Jews & Muslims) will take a clue from Hindu's initiative on these matters, then they can also get rid from the outdated, irrelevant & discriminatory provisions of their religious texts.

On the issue of Cow slaughter/ Beef, non-Hindus of India also respect Hindu feelings to a large extent. UP has a very large population of Muslims, but they do not press for their right to eat Beef. Thus it is a matter of consensus in case of many states. What is wrong if Muslims of UP "sacrifice their right to eat beef" to honor the feelings of their Hindu brothers. Hindus are also not pressing for having a 'common civil code' for the Muslims. Things may change in future. To understand the functioning of a democracy, democratic spirit ( give & take) is essential.

Re: She wants to understand Taliban., Indian Lady Arundhati Roy

PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 4:40 am
by viduur
Balls_of_Titanium_1 wrote:
expozIslam wrote:She can give company to this lady
Image

Taliban would love to have her.


And maybe, Taliban will treat them so nice that they will convert to Islam (if the above lady in Hijab haven't already) like what a UK journalist did. ;)


My Dear BOFT,

Instead of pressing others into the Slavery of islam, why don't you revert back to the religion of your ancestors. :wink:

Re: She wants to understand Taliban., Indian Lady Arundhati Roy

PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 2:01 pm
by syamal
I also admire her persona but not the extremely anti-Hindu & ultra leftist philosophy adopted by her.


She is hardly popular in the left domain of Indian politics.

Re: She wants to understand Taliban., Indian Lady Arundhati Roy

PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 2:14 pm
by byteresistor
Balls_of_Titanium_1 wrote:
expozIslam wrote:She can give company to this lady
Image

Taliban would love to have her.


And maybe, Taliban will treat them so nice that they will convert to Islam (if the above lady in Hijab haven't already) like what a UK journalist did. ;)

Treating someone good means they should convert to their religion? :???:

Re: She wants to understand Taliban., Indian Lady Arundhati Roy

PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 2:30 pm
by Balls_of_Titanium_1
viduur wrote:
Balls_of_Titanium_1 wrote:
expozIslam wrote:She can give company to this lady
Image

Taliban would love to have her.


And maybe, Taliban will treat them so nice that they will convert to Islam (if the above lady in Hijab haven't already) like what a UK journalist did. ;)


My Dear BOFT,


BOFT? That's not the correct abbreviation. Next time concentrate, before you see yourself fit to write posts.


Instead of pressing others into the Slavery of islam, why don't you revert back to the religion of your ancestors. :wink:


What is the reason for this nonsensical comment on your part?

Re: She wants to understand Taliban., Indian Lady Arundhati Roy

PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 2:32 pm
by Balls_of_Titanium_1
byteresistor wrote:
Balls_of_Titanium_1 wrote:
expozIslam wrote:She can give company to this lady
Image

Taliban would love to have her.


And maybe, Taliban will treat them so nice that they will convert to Islam (if the above lady in Hijab haven't already) like what a UK journalist did. ;)

Treating someone good means they should convert to their religion? :???:


Not necessarily. I wast just relating one event to another.

Re: She wants to understand Taliban., Indian Lady Arundhati Roy

PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 3:50 pm
by Yohan
Balls_of_Titanium_1 wrote:
viduur wrote:Instead of pressing others into the Slavery of islam, why don't you revert back to the religion of your ancestors. :wink:
What is the reason for this nonsensical comment on your part?

What is so nonsensical about it? Why do you insist on being a Muslim and claiming to have two wives? Even the 'religion of your ancestors' have made such practice illegal. Why do you insist on being a follower of an immoral violent medieval Arab? What kicks do you get out it?

Do not skip my questions as you usually do, and answer, and prove that you do have the ball of Titanium.

- Yohan (aka 'Balls of diamond')

Re: She wants to understand Taliban., Indian Lady Arundhati Roy

PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 4:07 pm
by Nosuperstition
Yohan wrote:
Balls_of_Titanium_1 wrote:
viduur wrote:Instead of pressing others into the Slavery of islam, why don't you revert back to the religion of your ancestors. :wink:
What is the reason for this nonsensical comment on your part?

What is so nonsensical about it? Why do you insist on being a Muslim and claiming to have two wives? Even the 'religion of your ancestors' have made such practice illegal. Why do you insist on being a follower of an immoral violent medieval Arab? What kicks do you get out it?

Do not skip my questions as you usually do, and answer, and prove that you do have the ball of Titanium.

- Yohan (aka 'Balls of diamond')


Well, diotima64 is most vocal critic of polygamy on this forum.She even went to the extent of saying that justifying Hindu god Krishna having multiple wives is very much similiar to Mohammed having multiple wives as a necessity of war and politics.Well what she seemed to have forgotten is the church legalising harems for the Spaniards in South America as well as legalising the second and third native wives of white Spaniards(whose first wives were white Spanish women).

Re: She wants to understand Taliban., Indian Lady Arundhati Roy

PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 4:25 pm
by Nosuperstition
I wrote:Also in the 21st century has come the free market theory which permits goods and profits to travel on a massive scale but not people.


http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewt ... c&start=15

I got that knowledge from Arundhati Roy's article in the magazine the frontline.And guess what happened next,we got a German Pope.

Re: She wants to understand Taliban., Indian Lady Arundhati Roy

PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 5:23 pm
by viduur
Balls_of_Titanium_1 wrote:
viduur wrote:My Dear BOFT,


BOFT? That's not the correct abbreviation. Next time concentrate, before you see yourself fit to write posts.



You seems to be very touchy on such minor issues, while ignoring much more larger issues, which are threatening the very survival of your Nation as well as the Religion.

However, you did not specified what is wrong with my abbreviation? My Dear Balls_of_Titanium_1, when you have chosen such a difficult screen name to describe yourself then kindly also tell me which of the following abbreviations will be most suitable & comfortable to you.

1. BOFT1
2. BOT1
3. BOT

Let me say I have very high regards for your individuality but can not have the similar regards for your Nation & Religion, which have become synonymous with Terrorism lately. For me, you are a fellow human being first, and your religious or national identities are just secondary only.

Balls_of_Titanium_1 wrote:
viduur wrote:Instead of pressing others into the Slavery of islam, why don't you revert back to the religion of your ancestors. :wink:


What is the reason for this nonsensical comment on your part?


Can you kindly elaborate what is Non-sensical in my comment, so that we can have debates in more sensible manner.

With Love & best Regards

Viduur

Re: She wants to understand Taliban., Indian Lady Arundhati Roy

PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 9:23 pm
by viduur
Nosuperstition wrote:Well, diotima64 is most ardent attacker of polygamy on this forum.She even went to the extent of saying that justifying Hindu god Krishna having multiple wives is very much similiar to Mohammed having multiple wives as a necessity of war and politics.Well what she seemed to have forgotten is the church legalising harems for the Spaniards in South America as well as legalising the second and third native wives of white Spaniards(whose first wives were white Spanish women).


Polygamy, Slavery etc were the Social codes of Past. But Social codes change with the times, and they have changed in all the socities with the exception of Islamic ones.Even the tribals are opting for monogamy at their own, although many Govts allowed their customs to prevail for some more time.

Polygamy & Slavey etc have become sins in the modern times only. One can compare the social codes of Modern Socities only to reach at any sensible conclusion. Always diving into past to put/pull down each other does not serve any purpose.